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11:57 AM on 12/30/2009
They will do no such thing.

Here is what those progressives know. For some reason, any other interest group that whines and complains gets what they want because the bill is "too important".

As soon as the progressives stand up, however...

The room will go dark, the knives will come out, the body will hit the floor and by the time the lights come back on the progressives will be the only ones left in the room....holding the dead body.

All of the opponents of HCR would LOVE nothing more than to ki11 it AND get to blame progressives for it's death.
11:57 AM on 12/30/2009
These are all good men. I support a public option. I don't support the bill as the Senate has written it. But neither do I support the public pressure the PCCC is putting on good people. They should be working behind the scenes. None of these men want responsibility for stopping a health care bill that all republicans and health insurance companies want stopped.
12:02 PM on 12/30/2009
There is way to much going on behind the scenes, already. I don't want more!

We need these supposed liberals castigated for letting the American Public down.
12:03 PM on 12/30/2009
We are in the mess we are because things were "done behind the scenes". It's time to stand
up for whats right, NO COMPROMISE. This is not about what they want to do it's about doing
whats right even if they commit political suicide to do it. No Sell out, No compromise and No
prisoners.
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ProgressiveAndProud1
11:55 AM on 12/30/2009
President UnitedHealthcare will have his corporate friends remove it. ..... He LOVED what Lieberman and Nelson did.

Time to WAKE UP!!!
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thefixisin
11:54 AM on 12/30/2009
Why is it 77% of americans want the public option,the majority of congress wants the public option but 44 bought and paid for senators can stop this? Is it time for revolution in this country? This is a plea from the public do not put us in a system that is broke or you will pay!!!!
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babyboomerorig
Senior, fearful and angry.
11:58 AM on 12/30/2009
You said it best....bought and paid for with filibustering capability.

They should be irrelevant, but keep us all under their thumbs.
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Jase84
Independent Progressive
12:00 PM on 12/30/2009
Support went down to 60 something percent for the public options and the right wing tried to act like it was some mandate against the public option, and then it died.

You have to love our government.
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stormy7
11:54 AM on 12/30/2009
Franken better step up to the plate when it comes to health care reform. That was one of the big issues he ran on.
The health care reform bill as it stand today, will force working poor people like me to buy health insurance. The bill the Senate voted on will make the insurance companies billions more in profit, bankrupt the middle class and working poor.
I voted for Al and I trust him to stand tall.
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babyboomerorig
Senior, fearful and angry.
12:00 PM on 12/30/2009
I'm just across the MN/WI state line and couldn't be more proud of Franken than I am of Feingold.

They'll both do what's right for us in the long run. It just may take running a race to make it all happen.
11:54 AM on 12/30/2009
The Beast Of The Bailout Keeps Reachin' His Tail Out!

THE WEREWOLF OF WALL STREET
PT 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gsp2DFmlNQ
PT 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoYC4MVoYzU
11:53 AM on 12/30/2009
I like it when the left does the work of the right... PO has no chance, and anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows it....
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Jase84
Independent Progressive
11:54 AM on 12/30/2009
Rebpulican'ts haven't predicted anything correctly since....I don't know when, they have no ability to critically analyze; anything.
12:00 PM on 12/30/2009
The PO was done as soon as they offered it up first, after taking single payer off the table immediately. Anyone with basic negotiating skills knows you start higher than where you expect to finish. So either the president is stoopid, or they never intended on having a PO to begin with.
Citizen54
Conservatism is a con job!
12:06 PM on 12/30/2009
You might be right that the PO has no chance....
but I don't understand why any individual citizen is opposed to the public option. Do you love your insurance company, or what???
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Jase84
Independent Progressive
12:08 PM on 12/30/2009
It's not. Reconciliation would easily produce a better bill with a public option than we currently have
12:14 PM on 12/30/2009
Public option is a thinly veiled gateway to single payer. It is not intended to provide "competition", because there is no competition when the govt has "unlimited" subsidies.
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Jase84
Independent Progressive
11:52 AM on 12/30/2009
I am a bit disturbed they thought mandating health insurance was appropriate, without a public option. There should be no mandates without a public option.
12:05 PM on 12/30/2009
That and medicare cuts are the only savings at this point - the CBO would blow it all out of the water without the mandate... but it should be blown out of the water....
11:52 AM on 12/30/2009
There are many flaws with the current bill. It's not reform anymore, that's why health insurance stocks are skyrocketing.

The core of what is left is the mandate to purchase insurance from private monopolies. If you don't, the IRS will come after you. If insurers don't deliver on the HEALTH CARE the INSURANCE is supposed to pay for, you can go to ineffective, bankrupt state insurance boards to see if you can get them to enforce the minimal consumer protections left in the bill.

I know there are subsidies for those who are hardest hit by this onerous corporate giveaway, but with the way that the middle class will be affected by unaffordable premiums and out-of-pocket costs, this reform will be unpopular, and the subsidies for the poor will be a target for cuts (just as Bernanke recommended that Social Security and Medicare fund the war, but we can't discuss taxing the rich after the President renominated him).

Furthermore, there's no reason to believe Democrats will build on this bill. When they used the same "foundation" argument for supporting the No Child Left Behind act under Bush, they didn't go back after winning majorities to follow through. Ask any teacher, especially in a low-income area, about how NCLB has decimated education, and you'll see that there are some "reforms" that are worse than nothing. This bill is one of them. Unless you are the head of Aetna, in which case, you are justified in proclaiming "we win"
Citizen54
Conservatism is a con job!
12:04 PM on 12/30/2009
It's very possible the Republicans will be in full control when all this "reform" is supposed to take effect. To think the Democrats will be around, and be disposed, to "improve" the bill is very optimistic.
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soundping
It does not require many words to speak the truth.
11:52 AM on 12/30/2009
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thepheonix
thepheonix..is that better Dems?
11:51 AM on 12/30/2009
Go ahead and filibuster it. Delay or even k.ill it. Either way it works for me.
11:53 AM on 12/30/2009
doesn't work for my stepmom. She can't buy insurance because she had cancer. This bill is her only hope. Killing the bill could mean killing her. I'm glad you're ok with that.
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liberalOrgonian
01:01 PM on 12/30/2009
Do you think your step Mom will be able to afford the premium for the "for profit Insurance?"
It could be 30%(Senate) 20% (House) more than a policy for younger Americans.
Could run aprox $ 20,000.00 a year!
That is not affordable for me,
and I have been kicked off insurance too.

Or, are you hoping she gets into Medicaid?
18K a year is top earnings.

Medicare for all could be 20-30% cheaper than for profit,
which do you prefer?
Is it worth fighting for the 20-30% less, or the $20,000.00 with no proof the claims will be paid.
Is it worth holding Obama to his campaign promises?
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thepheonix
thepheonix..is that better Dems?
04:49 PM on 12/30/2009
That's sad, but you are aware the bill will not take affect until 2013/14.
11:49 AM on 12/30/2009
These guys prefer socialism to fascism, but all progressives lust for politicized health care.
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Jase84
Independent Progressive
11:53 AM on 12/30/2009
Politicized health care, that's what the far right has been doing for 60 years.
12:00 PM on 12/30/2009
Well...duh...that's the sensible choice. If my options are between Denmark and Nazi Germany, guess what I would choose. Thank god we would prefer socialism over fascism!
11:42 AM on 12/30/2009
This is going too far. I'd love a public option but the votes aren't there and to stop reform of any kind is bad. Instead, they should push for a national exchange and immediate implementation.
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benji85
11:48 AM on 12/30/2009
Agreed, but there should also be a monetary limit on what insurers could spend on administration along with a limit on how much a premium is.
11:50 AM on 12/30/2009
This is not reform of any kind, Andreams.
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liberalOrgonian
01:14 PM on 12/30/2009
AGREE, we need the government to have the guts to Nationalize the Insurance Industry.
If this is our only option, the FOR PROFIT part of has to go.
If not many will go bankrupt trying to pay the premium, let alone the co pays and the hidden fees the Insurance Co will add.
Let's face it the Insurance Industry has created a reputation so horrid, we have lost faith in it as a Industry. They don't even insure the sick, and that is sick in itself.
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ManwithaParachute
Not Seeking Your Approval
11:39 AM on 12/30/2009
They have no spine.
11:44 AM on 12/30/2009
you have no brain
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ManwithaParachute
Not Seeking Your Approval
12:09 PM on 12/30/2009
Witty. Of course, you address no issue because you have no evidence these being vertebrates.
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treetracker
11:59 AM on 12/30/2009
They are going to pass a bill, doesn't matter what's in it, they are going to pass it. If they don't the GOP will eviscerate them for not passing it. This is the game they've been playing...doing everything (including out and out lying) to keep the bill from being passed so they could 1) use it against them, if they didn't pass a bill or 2) if a bill passes, continue to lie about how bad it is (and yes, it is bad because they've caved to the GOP and the 4 DINO's to get their votes - in the case of the GOP for nothing - but also part of the GOP plan) so they can run in 2010 against it.

Their electorate may be gullible, but their politicians are not dumb - they are ruthless. Being in power means more to them than the good of the country. I have problems with many Dems who I feel are sell outs and need to run out of the party on a rail, but most of them, I believe, do want to do what is best for the country.

Medicare and Social Security were not anything like they are today when they were first passed. This bill is going to need lots of work after it is passed and it is going to take time. The best thing we can do in the interim is educate people about the a single payer system and vote people in office who support
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ManwithaParachute
Not Seeking Your Approval
12:19 PM on 12/30/2009
The logic of your statements has validity in a world where we have a leader. Currently the the ship of state is rudderless. We know Obama is smart. So, his failings are not based on intellect. I find myself rationalizing Obama's behavior as incompetence and or corruption. Initially, I saw his behavior as Chess vs. Checkers. At this point the evidence excludes that view. When he chose to attack Dean and had nothing but praise for LIEberman the thought of this Administration having anything like integrity evaporated for me.

If this bill passes AND then, they move to reconciliation to provide a public option or remove mandates, I would happily see a chess player. Right now he has demonstrated his allegiance and it frightening how much this reinforces all the conspiracy angles involving banks and the Fed.
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liberalOrgonian
01:57 PM on 12/30/2009
The dems will loose in elections if they pass just anything.
They are loosing progressives now, splitting the party apart.
Standing with the Insurance Industry and selling us out.
Obama's campaign promises disregarded, like PO, like no mandate/indenture to Co, who will never be honest, no matter what politicians say.
They have abused us enough already.
Looks like many dems are not even considering the fallout of a bad bill.
Where we are indentured to Insurance Cartels and many will go bankrupt just trying to pay the premiums, let alone the co pays for services.
We do not need this middle man to take our money and deny payment.
I believe the people deserve decent affordable Insurance, and it will not come from "for profit Corps. They have proved that time and time again.