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New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
09:13 PM on 03/18/2010
I totally Agree ! It is the crux of the argument, and so often missed by most 'Christians'. The last day you stand on the right or your entire life was an abomination.
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alexunlv
I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them.
09:08 PM on 03/18/2010
Sorry, I don't think you understand the difference between philosophy and ideology. The entire premise of your article is that nothing but divine intervention will convince them to vote yes.

Their approach is no about philosophy but rather ideology. Philosophy is premised on evidence, observation, and openess. Ideology is a belief system of ideas that are not subject to change or consideration of alternatives.
10:07 PM on 03/18/2010
From what I've read so far, you spiel is way above the heads of this crowd.
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oMeoMi
09:07 PM on 03/18/2010
> when Jesus says, "I was sick and you refused me access to health care because you loved your philosophy more than you loved me"? What will my Evangelical brothers and sisters say to Jesus to convince him a philosophy was worth his life?

Good interpretation of your scriptures is good - at least in my humble opinion, for what it is worth.
10:14 PM on 03/18/2010
If you haven't noticed, EVERYBODY has their own interpretation of their religion. Who is to say who is following the words of the Bible when everything in it is contradictory or ambiguous?
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oMeoMi
01:47 AM on 03/19/2010
Sorta like everybody has an opinion? Makes ya kinda wonder...
09:03 PM on 03/18/2010
Very well said. Amen.
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bbriani3842
400+ yrs of science & STILL no evidence for a god
08:51 PM on 03/18/2010
As Jon Stewart so brilliantly stated:

Faith with works is useless. Works without faith. . . is still pretty good.
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bbriani3842
400+ yrs of science & STILL no evidence for a god
08:50 PM on 03/18/2010
Are there ANY "believers" who believe in a god the same way your average serf believed in a god 700 to 1,000 years ago? the way Joan of Arc believed?

No? Why is that?
New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
09:01 PM on 03/18/2010
Only the Billions of Christians, Muslims, and Jews around the world, that's about all.

Jesus said, "Seek and You Shall Find, Knock, and it will be opened to you" so give it a try, start asking the God you don't believe exists, to open your blind eyes, and unlock the knowledge of His Good ness and reality. You may have to become a person so different than the one you are now, that you'll feel like a new man, a person reborn. It happens all the time, so see if your unbelief can stand the strain. I'm betting it won't.
09:30 PM on 03/18/2010
Wow, that's the kind of judgmental piousness that does nothing for the cause of Christ.
10:09 PM on 03/18/2010
My god is the Egyptian Sun God, Ra, and Ra says Jesus should really admit he's an amature when it comes to gods.
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Jennifer Mead
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08:22 PM on 03/18/2010
I never thought of myself as an Evangelist, but by this definition I am:

As Evangelicals, we believe our faith is more than a set of philosophies. It is a relationship with God through Jesus. It has transformative power and should affect every level of the believer's life -- including her public witness and vote. As Evangelicals, we believe the truth of scripture -- all of it -- including the thousands of passages that flip the script and demonstrate God's kind of economy: one that protects, defends, and restores the poorest among us to full well-being through personal and government intervention (see Genesis 41, Exodus, Leviticus 25, Isaiah 58 and 61, Amos, Micah 6, Luke 4 and 10, Matthew 5 and 25, Ephesians 1 and 2, and Revelation 7 and 22, among many others). Because scripture teaches it, we believe every human being is created in God's image and is therefore intrinsically worthy of every protection of basic human needs (food, health, work, shelter). As Evangelicals, we believe that Jesus' resurrection power is real and is applicable to our broken lives and our broken world (Ephesians 1 and 2). Finally, as Evangelicals, we believe in an ultimate Judgment Day, one where every individual will be called upon to give account for his actions, private and public.
08:51 PM on 03/18/2010
That was the most Christian thing I've heard anyone say in a long time. How kind. And that's kind of the point, isn't it? I don't belong to any denomination, but as I understand God's message (my mom is an AWESOME Sunday school teacher) we are to be kind to each other and HE will judge us. I think it's a terrible thing that parties and politicians have hijacked the message of something kind in nature. It reminds me of the wizard in Oz behind the curtain. I think all people of the Christian faith should ask themselves what is the kind and Godly thing to do.
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StJames
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09:05 PM on 03/18/2010
Are you an Evangelist (preacher/prosetylizer) or an Evangelical... one who is reborn in Christ?
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healthanalyst
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09:59 PM on 03/18/2010
Evangelicals are false prophets. The GOP is a false profit.
08:05 PM on 03/18/2010
I'm an atheist and I believe more in his teachings than most evangelicals who fight against what's good for our people. How can they claim to be believers????????
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08:27 PM on 03/18/2010
Amen, Bro ... from a fellow athiest.
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StJames
In absentia luci tenebrae vincunt
09:06 PM on 03/18/2010
That describes me as well ;-)
New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
07:57 PM on 03/18/2010
This is where many Protestants separate From Roman Catholics. The idea that 'Faith Alone' shall save you from your sins, is a protestant concept. Catholics believe as I do that Faith alone will not save you, one must become that beacon on the stand for the world to see by actually DOING GOOD. Good Works and Faith go hand in hand, and get you saved. Universal Health Care is doing good, so long as it has No provisions for Killing anyone, like euthanasia or abortion because then you are no longer 'Doing Good'. The need for good works conforms with the last paragraph in this article that asks a very important question about those who stand before Jesus on the last day. Those who have fed, cared for, and loved the least of these by demonstrating those very real and concrete actions enter at God's right hand into paradise. Those who fail to demonstrate bt their actions that love of God for his least brethern, stand to God's left and get a somewhat less pleasant eternity to look forward to. Democrats have an edge on that day, once they grasp the No Killing component. Republicans have to loosen the heart strings and the purse strings to have any chance for that day. Greed (attention Rush Limbaugh) is most definitely Not Good. Pre-Emptive unnecessary (unjust) wars don't help either, as the Pope once warned George W. Bush.
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Jennifer Mead
Girls dig unix
08:19 PM on 03/18/2010
Just because a very small percentage of people might use health care in an ungodly way, does not mean that the masses should suffer. I wouldn't have an abortion if I needed to, I wouldn't be able to let myself end of the life of my child. That is me, that is most people. I don't deserve to suffer as well as many others because you want to punish some folks for doing what is legal. Yes abortion is legal, unfortunately it is used as birth control. Reprehensible, but by stopping health care you are doing NOTHING to stop it. Absolutely nothing to stop it.
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Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
09:09 PM on 03/18/2010
Sorry Jennifer but given the choice, Obey God and not kill an innocent unborn child, or please a lot of people and pretend it's OK to help women pay for their abortion, God, and the innocent children win, Hands Down, No Contest ! What is, or is not 'Legal' in this world has no ability to trump the will of God. Every day Billions pray, "May Thy Will Be Done" to our loving and generous creator. You really do not want to be the odd person out of that, trust me.
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StJames
In absentia luci tenebrae vincunt
09:13 PM on 03/18/2010
Do not misunderstand the concept of "Faith Alone" it is not meant to absolve the "believer" from the responsibility of good works...the requirement to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick...It is meant to to show that nothing man does on his own...no amount of good works will make him worthy of God's love or forgiveness. Man is saved by the "grace of god" alone...You cannot earn salvation, but you can come close to deserving it...might best sum it up.
02:29 AM on 03/19/2010
Sola Fide
07:51 PM on 03/18/2010
You are advocating the following of sometjimg that is non-exisyent to believe in his son, whom he had killed? because he did'nt get the world right' on the fisrt three tries?
10:25 PM on 03/18/2010
The conundrum of conundrums.
06:44 PM on 03/18/2010
The motive force for universal health care in Canada, Tommy Douglas, was a Baptist preacher. He was a member of the left wing CCF, now called the New Democratic Party, the first leader of which was a former Methodist preacher and missionary who thought the church was not doing enough to alleviate poverty and suffering. That is why he went into politics. What the heck went wrong with Christianity in the US?
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08:59 PM on 03/18/2010
It got tangled up with a particularly narrow view of patriotism.
09:18 PM on 03/18/2010
There is much gnashing of teeth amongst some conservative American evangelicals that the US isn't mentioned in the Bible. It is especially vexing to them that there is no mention of the US in Revelations.
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StJames
In absentia luci tenebrae vincunt
09:14 PM on 03/18/2010
Money. In the U.S. it is worshipped more than any other god...
05:11 PM on 03/18/2010
That last paragraph is fantastic. Nicely said