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fcsakes
08:03 AM on 04/14/2010
I'm sorry gates, your justification for using my tax dollars to murder people doesn't sit well. How far back do we have to stand gates? Show us the exact spot.
08:04 AM on 04/14/2010
baseless attack.
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fcsakes
08:07 AM on 04/14/2010
Meaningless cant.
08:00 AM on 04/14/2010
How dare people show our heroes to be anything but the phony image we have worked so hard to create.
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Hoosierbrad
I know it when I see it.
07:57 AM on 04/14/2010
I know that many Americans like to think that we are perfect as a nation and thar our soldiers can do no wrong, but we are far from perfect, and some of us are quite capable of performing evil acts. Soldiers are often very representative of the public that sends them into batte; child molestors, murderers, reapists, etc., they don't become angels when they put the uniform on.
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08:33 AM on 04/14/2010
From an interview of an ex-army guy, he also found nothing wrong with the video, except to say that they were just following what they were trained to do. I think his words were something like, it was drummed in, don't think just waste the bastards. So he got out, could not live that way. Talk about courage.
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wizedollars
"Those who like Neil Diamond, and those who don't.
09:29 AM on 04/14/2010
Our soldiers have been conflated with imperialistic factions that want to promote corporate tyranny around the world. Our foreign policy is equivalent to global takeover, but most Sean Hannity watching, dumb-downed, flag waivers, are too uninformed to see that. They'll just listen to the Fox talking points.
07:55 AM on 04/14/2010
In the context of our "liberators" everything is "out of context".
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shryock
It never is what it is anymore
07:53 AM on 04/14/2010
here is how this becomes even worse than it already is.
quote from the newspaper article in question:
"U.S. officials have said that the journalists were walking with or near people who were armed and in the proximity of a firefight."
notice how incredibly vague that is.

"u.s. officials": which ones?
"journalists": so, who knew they were journalists, and when did they know it? before the shooting started? immediately after? only after the tape was released and wikileaks pointed out that they were journalists?
"were walking": wouldn't you think they'd be running if they knew they were in a battle zone? were their no shots being fired nearby? that is the argument, isn't it? they were shooting at our forces? so if there was shooting going on, why were the journalists walking?
"with or near": well, that's for sure damaging. with or near? i'd be willing to bet every person reading this was walking with or near someone else some time today or yesterday.
"people who were armed": yes, they were armed. they were not shooting.
"in the proximity": which means what? within 100 feet? within ten city blocks? what is a proximity?
"of a firefight": again, if there was a firefight going on, did they not hear it? if they heard it, why were they walking and not running? why were they walking in clear sight in the middle of the square instead of ducking and covering.

the official interpretation only adds to the confusion.
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SuzyQuzyMuzy
Medical mal-practice court reporter/natural chef
07:52 AM on 04/14/2010
The video is out of context; like looking through a soda straw? Well, I do know what I saw. I saw men with cameras being shot down like dogs and it was no different emotion or thought than when I see the teens playing video games -- just as blood thirsty as the pretend game. They wonder why some of these men come home and start up militias and groups and become reclusive from society. Just see the men's reaction to running over bodies with Hummers and you know what's happening to these brave men. It's very sad. They should be over here defending our country and with enough of a paycheck so they don't lose their homes. These guys are screwed all the way around and still being used for a Bush agenda.
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xstevejx
07:48 AM on 04/14/2010
He IS right that Wikileaks has an agenda to portray the material they get in as negative a light as possible (whether that's incomplete, out-of-context, carefully edited James O'Keefe style), but they also supposedly make available the full source should people want to see (though the media doesn't pick up on that and just shows the sensationalistic featured exaggeration instead). Personally, I don't think willful misrepresentations/distortions is a good answer to trying to point out others' wrongdoings.
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SuzyQuzyMuzy
Medical mal-practice court reporter/natural chef
07:54 AM on 04/14/2010
How about military and government cover-ups? Should these kind of battles be hidden from society? The Vietnam war ended practically as soon as people really saw what was going on. We want the truth, ugly or not. That's how we make informed decisions and live in reality.
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nappyman
Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil
07:47 AM on 04/14/2010
Don't hate the messenger, hate the message. You like video of innocent iraqi's being murdered (cause thats what it is, and the press is neglecting to use that strong word), then DONT murder innocent people.
07:47 AM on 04/14/2010
"Out of context"?

Would that be like the military's version of what happened prior to the release of the film?
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david5000
Detective & Pilot
07:41 AM on 04/14/2010
Equivalent to the Vatican accusing the NY times.
07:39 AM on 04/14/2010
Pentagon and Iraq 'official' sources ALWAYS maintained some million deaths there were ...'out of context'.
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Austintatious
07:38 AM on 04/14/2010
The truths about Iraq and Afghanistan, especially the atrocities committed by American forces, was the last thing the Bush Administration wanted the American people to know. It's no different with the Obama Administration, and that's no less reprehensible than when Bush was President. For those of you who are too young to remember, it was exactly the same with Vietnam. Exactly.

Our government went to great lengths to hide the truths of that disastrous military misadventure, especially the atrocities committed by American forces. Its efforts to conceal the truth from the American public succeeded for too long, but the lies, the white washings, the cover ups finally began to see the light of day. What the nation saw so disgusted the American people that they, the people, slowly but steadily, in so many different ways, acted to bring that ugly chapter in our history to a close. It was, quite literally, that phenomenon - the collective will and actions of an informed people - which finally ended that illogical, unnecessary, immoral and prolonged military atrocity prosecuted by their government.

It remains to be seen if the American people, some fifty years later, still have sufficient commitment to the American idea, to right the wrongful policies of their government. It seems, once again, that the collective and applied will of the people is the only thing that can, or will, extricate our nation from a never ending war, unnecessary and unwinnable by definition, being fought on the other side of the
07:37 AM on 04/14/2010
Go f#ck yourself gates and your baby killers too.
08:04 AM on 04/14/2010
back at you libtardd. that means liberal and slow-thinking.
07:34 AM on 04/14/2010
Yet somehow it is fine for the pentagon to publish context-free clips of smart bomb strikes showing the superiority and accuracy of our weapons and delivery systems. I also seem to remember a boisterous General Schwarzkopf laughing and joking with the press as he proudly described the video he was presenting. Of course the distance from the targets precluded the sight of people being torn to bits.

I guess it's just a matter of altitude.
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Austintatious
08:49 AM on 04/14/2010
could be the perfect response

thank you
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MrsGreebers
07:34 AM on 04/14/2010
All that talk about priests raping kids is probably out of context too.

Just like the Vatican, Gates thinks the problem is being found out, not the war crime itself.