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doctorJulia
Retired NASA engineer
06:23 PM on 04/23/2010
I am sick of religious groups dabbling in politics and then turning round and want tax exemptions, especially the property tax exemption. In California, we had the Catholic and Mormon churches putting up at least $20 million to pass proposition 8 that ended same-sex marriages. Then, married gay couples have to subsidize them through property taxes.
I say to Arizona, if the churches are operating in the political arena then treat them as any other lobbying group and tax them on their huge property holdings.
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Xzavier2008
06:26 PM on 04/23/2010
whats even really funny is that in 2008 they were for discrimination on a bill called Prop 102 the Marriage Equality bill. They got their wish and discrimination was put into the state constitution. Real Tax paying americans being told no we dont have rights. Now these pedophile priest say they wont abide by this law....HYPOCRITES to the end TAX THE CHURCHES
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JazzyJim
Nuzis stay to the Right
06:37 PM on 04/23/2010
You're right - as soon as a religious group invests that kind of money in a political move - NO LONGER TAX EXEMPT. Let' get that on the books.
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graywolf68
Is that true or did you hear it on Fox News?
06:21 PM on 04/23/2010
The reality, as unfortunate as it might be, is that if you are in this state and this country illegally, you are committing a crime. What bolsters this crime is that there are many immigrants in this state and this country illegally that are using forged identification, thereby committing identity theft.

I am not a big fan of Jan Brewer or her policies, but I have to say that I agree with the signing of this one. The bill itself is not discriminatory in any way. It simply states that officers have the right to determine the immigration status of someone if they have due cause. What turns it into supposed racial profiling is the fact that there is an estimated 475,000 illegal immigrants just in Arizona alone and approximately 94% of them are from Mexico.

We cannot afford as a country to just let people walk in and live/work here without some kind of legal immigration status. Immigrants must go through the proper channels just like my ancestors did three generations ago. We cannot simply welcome law breakers into America simply because they are already here.
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Elizabeth Benedict
Don't Sweat The Essay
06:29 PM on 04/23/2010
Immigration law and enforcement are governed by the INS, not state governments. This law will surely be challenged by the ACLU or another group that pays attention to the Constitution. It is not up to local police to enforce immigration law. It is bad for communities, bad for local law enforcement, and it will wreck havoc on citizens and everyone else in the state. This law is NOT immigration reform.
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graywolf68
Is that true or did you hear it on Fox News?
07:47 PM on 04/23/2010
First, you write your reply as if I don't pay attention to the constitution. The 14th amendment clearly lays out the following;

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Nowhere is constitutional protections and liberties afforded to those here in an illegal status.

Second, Where is it written that it's not up to state and local law enforcement to enforce immigration law? Show me where it OFFICIALLY says that.

Thirdly, it ISN'T bad for communities when people who are flagrantly disobeying the law are held accountable. If I break a law, I am arrested and thrown in jail but people with an illegal immigration status are just to be given a free pass. Nonsense.
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JazzyJim
Nuzis stay to the Right
06:40 PM on 04/23/2010
Republicans = Gestapo. Think about it.
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07:20 PM on 04/23/2010
Foregone conclusion
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graywolf68
Is that true or did you hear it on Fox News?
07:49 PM on 04/23/2010
Yes, the Republicans are kind of like the Gestapo, I don't dispute that.

I disagree with someone who flagrantly disobeys the law, steals identities to work given a free pass because they are already here.

They are breaking the law, plain and simple. They need to be held accountable for the crimes they are committing.
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The Cause Endures
06:19 PM on 04/23/2010
Anyone ask Christopher Hitchens stance?
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Puller58
Man of Mystery
06:17 PM on 04/23/2010
The collection plate crowd at work. Yes kiddies, they expect Illegals to go to church and donate. Sad.
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Mitzy
06:16 PM on 04/23/2010
The financial boycott of Arizona will cripple the state, forcing it into bankruptcy.
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BlackJAC
It's better to be a black king than a white knight
06:57 PM on 04/23/2010
What industries does Arizona have beyond tourism? If I remember correctly, AriZona Iced Tea is made in Canada.
10:18 PM on 04/23/2010
AZ believe it or not, has a lot of farms....cotton, lots of lettuce, citrus and more.
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annis
06:14 PM on 04/23/2010
Wallis put it together correctly.

At last - someone invoking Christianity in the right spirit in modern times.
06:27 PM on 04/23/2010
Yes, Annis. Have you read the articles by Dr. Richard T. Hughes of Messiah College? They're in the Region section of HuffPo, entitled "Why Conservative Christians So Often Fail the Common Good" Parts 1 and 1. They're very good, and I think you'll agree just from reading your small post. Fanned.
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annis
07:05 PM on 04/23/2010
Read it.

Thank you.

I'm printing it out to share, because for me Hughes eloquently and succinctly presents
the correct historical and sociological basis for this mix-up.
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OhgReaTone
Ohg Rea Tone writes for thefiresidepost.com
06:12 PM on 04/23/2010
Jim Wallis needs a Real ID card - a national ID card for ministers who like immigrants. .......

http://thefiresidepost.com/2009/05/20/real-ids-why-are-we-frustrated-with-government/
09:57 PM on 04/23/2010
America has a lot of clever forgers who work for reasonable rates. A national ID card would be a piece of cake to forge.