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05:07 PM on 05/29/2010
I'm not a fan of Rand, but the idea of removing the guarantee of citizenship for everyone born on U.S. soil is, at least, not crazy. What really bothers me is the underground fence and helicopter stations. Seeing as how he wants to condemn government spending while spending a huge amount of government funds, why not go for broke? Instead of a fence and helicopter bases, he should go for robots with laser guns and cowboy hats.
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05:49 PM on 05/29/2010
Why not combine the two ideas and have underground helicopter stations? Just trying to save a few bucks, here.
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jeff90125
2 wrongs don't make a right. 3 lefts do.
09:39 PM on 05/29/2010
I don't think that was his intention. I think he meant those were ideas that should be looked into. It may be more cost effective to use satellites and helicopters to watch a 100 mile section of the border than to hire 50 border patrol agents with binoculars.
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Jacqueline R
05:02 PM on 05/29/2010
Oh my God! I actually agree with this man! This is scary. I also agree that children born here to illegal immigrants and those who are here legally but are not citizens should not automatically become citizens. I do think that they should be able to take an expedited path to citizenship once they have reach adulthood (18 years old) and have no serious juvenile criminal record and have graduated high school or joined the military.
05:22 PM on 05/29/2010
It does have some fair points, taken alone. Given this man's overall philosophy, and the fact that it would take a constitutional amendment, I don't think it is a feasible solution. I would be very hesitant to let this man have a pen anywhere near the 14th amendment, or for that matter any of the rest of the constitution.

Fixing the border and a fair comprehensive immigration policy for those who are already here is a much more practical solution.
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Coloradogary
04:23 PM on 05/29/2010
You do not profit from commission of an illegal act, however, you are afforded equal rights and protections under the law as long as you are on US soil and can be legally deported. You are not awarded citizenship by being illegal and a parent, but your beautiful children are US citizen born
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Turukano
In 20 years, everyone will say they voted Obama
08:31 PM on 05/29/2010
Well thought out and written
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frankg3400
04:20 PM on 05/29/2010
The La Raza agents descend upon all immigration stories comment sections to give the illusion that every American is for the poor, innocent, misunderstood illegal alien and how they support the American Constitution, while their leaders plot the overthrow the United States for their delusional Aztlan. Remember Troy!!
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Coloradogary
04:27 PM on 05/29/2010
Uh oh. Now you are beginning to make noises as if you were a minority, and somehow didn't have equal rights.
04:29 PM on 05/29/2010
La Raza is the new ACORN. Any organization that works for the poor and minorities in this country comes under fire, and the misinformation begins.

Sending my donation in now to La Raza.
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TC Mits
Cogito ergo democratia sum.
04:14 PM on 05/29/2010
Among other babblings of the village f00l is the construction of an underground electric fence. Next will be the wearing of collars similar to those on dogs so we can keep illegals on their side of the fence. This is the baggers darling? Oops, should read, Thisis the baggers darling.
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barney123
07:09 PM on 05/29/2010
Probably all of the papers please crowd has an illegal or two working for them for peanuts.
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Coloradogary
03:37 PM on 05/29/2010
Dr. Paul, you have a serious problem.

No amount of libertarianism will ever turn your Brown eyes Blue.

I suggest colored contacts if you insist upon this perverted ideology.

Especially when you are talking to your new Russian friends.
03:32 PM on 05/29/2010
Somebody should tell Mr. Rand Paul to go back to the classroom and take some lectures in Moral Ethics.The end doesn't justify the means these days.You cannot deny people who met the requirements their right of citizenship because their parents were illegal immigrants.The children has nothing to do with the situation,and its the violation of their right to deny them citizenship since they met their requirements.It doesn't go in the rule of law.
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AtheistUS
04:51 PM on 05/29/2010
The citation of his words in the article: ""We're the only country that I know that allows people to come in illegally, have a baby, and then that baby becomes a citizen. And I think that should stop."

Your claim: "You cannot deny people who met the requirements their right of citizenship because their parents were illegal immigrants. The children has nothing to do with the situation,and its the violation of their right to deny them citizenship since they met their requirements."

I do not see a contradiction between his position and yours. We cannot deny citizenship to kids that are already born under such conditions, that's true. But we can discuss possibility to change the law and to stop this practice.

I would be for such change. If parents were legally visiting, with visa etc, then it is one kind of a situation. But if parents are here illegally - then it is another matter, I do not see reasons to reward their baby with citizenship.
05:55 PM on 05/29/2010
On the contrary,Mr. Paul is of the opinion that children from illegal immigrants (from any circumstance) should be denied citizenship.That's unfair.Lets be honest to ourselves:If we can trace our origins,we will find out that 90% of the people living in America as of today are immigrants.It depends on what you call legal or illegal immigration.But immigration is immigration.I am against people coming in without visas,in that case they will dodge the security check thereby putting the national security at risk.But where are the guards when the so called immigrants beat the security network to come in through the back door.One thing is for sure,no man is an island.Be it legal or illegal immigration;that needs a proper ethical interpretation.But to deny anybody citizenship because his father or mother is an illegal immigrant is unfair in its totality.
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blakej19
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03:22 PM on 05/29/2010
Also, The argument about us being the only country to do so is false. Not only that but i didn't know america followed others lead, but led. Wasn't this what conservatives were saying with things like healthcare? why should we follow Europeans model? same questions asked here. We are the most unique country in the world thats why we do things like this, because we are the land of opportunity, has anyone every read whats transcribed on the statue of liberty, it reads..Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

What are we without are immigrants? We are all sons and daughters of immigrants. Mine from England and South Africa in the 60's.
05:49 PM on 05/29/2010
Your observation is greatly flawed.No doubt your immigrant ancestors came here legally whereas we are discussing ILLEGAL immigrants.Huge difference.

I don't oppose those who go through the process and are here legally.Illegals coming here by the millions and overloading our welfare systems,criminal justice systems,etc are a far different matter.

What it boils down to is we can't take EVERYBODY that wants in..
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HeresaClue
Grrrrrrr.....
06:37 PM on 05/29/2010
Illegals cannot get welfare, and they are not overloading the criminal justice system, those are just right wing talking points. They also pay more in taxes than they take out in services.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584
06:43 AM on 05/30/2010
No, but we cannot punish children for the misdeeds of there parents.
09:38 PM on 05/29/2010
And I am from Nigeria,though I am here legally,but the issue of who is a legal or illegal immigrant is still subject to Ethical breakdown.Is there anything like illegal immigration?This is a question for Mr. Rand Paul.THe fact that somebody came into USA and his/her visa expired doesn't make him or her illegal immigant.
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blakej19
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03:16 PM on 05/29/2010
This guys logic is pure idiotic. Every single person in this country in one form or another are immigrants whose parent or grandparents or farther back came here on a boat, so in the end every single person in America are not only sons and daughters on immigrants but were also granted citizenship based on birth here considering his and our parents somewhere down the line where once not natives of America.
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graymatters
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
03:19 PM on 05/29/2010
SOme yes but majority cem here through immigration ports like Ellis Island.
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blakej19
D.F.A.
03:24 PM on 05/29/2010
and that changes my point how? still immigrants not american. We are all sons and daugters of immigrants unless your native indian
03:32 PM on 05/29/2010
Then close the stinkin border.

But you don't change the constitution. You don't create a whole generation of children who have no citizenship. You deal fairly with those who are here, and prevent the problem in the future.

And if you believe that changing the constitution is the answer, then be honest and say that... Rand knows that what he is advocating would take a constitutional amendment, but he is grandstanding and giving all the conservative talking points, knowing full well that it sounds good to one part of the voting public even if it is not feasible.

It is the same as all those saying they will repeal health care to get votes, knowing full well they do not have the ability to actually do it.

He is playing on their fears instead of offering practical solutions.
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AtheistUS
04:54 PM on 05/29/2010
Let me continue your logic: Let's open our borders completely, and award citizenship anybody who enters, right away. National guards should stay on the border waiting with documents ready.
06:52 AM on 05/30/2010
Let's continue with strawman arguments.
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JoannainPA
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03:05 PM on 05/29/2010
Waite, why is rand talking with the russians? Is he a closet commie? lol
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graymatters
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
03:09 PM on 05/29/2010
lol
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Vikingdave
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03:25 PM on 05/29/2010
And now for the news. This just in. Rand Paul, (R) KY has just been discovered to be the Manchurian Candidate.
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graymatters
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
03:31 PM on 05/29/2010
No Obama already filled that position.
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02:37 PM on 05/29/2010
Wow so Rand not only wants to strip me of my marriage but my citizenship wow!
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Coloradogary
02:31 PM on 05/29/2010
Rand Paul would have the United States become a gated community, instead of a free and open society. In his world, rights of citizenship would only pass by blood (Jus Sanguinis) instead of birthplace (Jus Solis), thereby perpetuating a helot underclass and extending inequality to perpetuity.

This subversion of American ideals corrupts our Constitution and establishes permanent class stratification, moving us all back to ancient Rome and Greece.

He would be Caeser
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Margo Arrowsmith
Elizabeth Warren in 2016!
02:34 PM on 05/29/2010
Well, fanned for a clear and concise statement.

Amazing that someone who calls himself a libertarian should be so against the parts of the Constitution that are about individual rights and so for the bullies with property.

But scratch the surface of most so called Libertarians and this is what you get.
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graymatters
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
02:43 PM on 05/29/2010
How is he against indivual liberty?
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barney123
07:12 PM on 05/29/2010
Rand Paul is all about freedom - his freedom that is.
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graymatters
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
02:38 PM on 05/29/2010
Exactly!!!! You figured us out, can't get anything over on you. LMAO
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Coloradogary
02:44 PM on 05/29/2010
OK. Get in line for your blood and dna tests, so we can figure out which country you really belong in, and what your social station actually is.
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Disciple1
To err is human;To disagree with me is ignorant.
02:29 PM on 05/29/2010
Kentucky Voters: Are you SURE you want to elect a person that shows such a blatant disloyalty to our country's SETTLED laws that he is willing to diss our government while in the company of a non-NATO adversary? Is this man teetering close to giving "..aid and comfort to the enemy.."? I'm just saying..
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JoannainPA
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02:09 PM on 05/29/2010
For these people to cry about they want their country back and that we gone far away from the Constitution, and then turn around and totally dismiss the Constitution is very disturbing. They do not want to preserve the American way, they want to re write what we are about in an extremely RADICAIL way. It is Selective Constitutionalism.
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graymatters
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
02:18 PM on 05/29/2010
The American way was not big government, government HC, governement financail reform creating agencies to track our credit card spending. The whole reason for the revolution was based on over taxation.
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BuckJ
I read a book once.
02:27 PM on 05/29/2010
Taxation WITHOUT representation.

A three penny per pound tax on one product is hardly over taxation.
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blakej19
D.F.A.
03:10 PM on 05/29/2010
Over being taxed to death, thats hardly happening last year Americans paid the least amount of taxes since Lyndon B johnson, and thats just a fact. Theres lots of things our founding fathers never intended, for example, big business controlling goverment. or the rich paying the least amount of taxes while they hold 90 percent of our wealth. Nor did they get everything right, Slavery being a perfect example. The constitution and the whole point of our democracy is to bend to the will of the people no matter what that may be, and Obama won and he's implementing policies that he feels is right. Sorry you disagree, but just as I disagreed with bush doesn't and didn't make him a bad or horrible person, just disagrees with my point of view, thats the point of elections.
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as promised
Educ yourself re David Barton & his followers
03:02 PM on 05/29/2010
What they want is to turn the clocks back 50 years - to the pre-Kennedy days. "Just like in my pappy's day"
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graymatters
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
03:08 PM on 05/29/2010
Fifty years ago you didn't have the government telling you what you could do with private property, so yes in that regard. How did the north become anti slavery then?
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dimplesmile7
01:59 PM on 05/29/2010
We should drop Rand Paul in the heart of Mexico City and let him explain his position on immigration right to the source. There is nothing like saying it to a person's face. I bet he would not have the ballz to say this sh*t to any mexican.
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barney123
07:17 PM on 05/29/2010
Did you see his eyes when Rachel Maddow was interviewing him?? He looked like a deer caught in a spotlight.