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09:52 AM on 06/03/2010
Okay I am Angry about this sir...but I do not know why yet. I guess I will have to wait until tonight when Glen, Sara and Sean explains it to me. I suspect it has something to do with Obama though... it always does...this is his Waterloo or his Katrina. BTW when was hurricane Waterloo?
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09:47 AM on 06/03/2010
One way to separate Beck from scholarly historians is to observe how each treat the idea of intentions. Few scholarly historians will attempt to definitively state what a certain person's or group's intentions were-unless those entities specifically state what their intentions were. Otherwise, you simply cannot prove intentions--they are nebulous and frequently are unaligned with reality or effects.
Watch to see if Beck even hesitates to tell his audience " X thinks Y" or "A believes B." This does not reflect an absence of facts. It reflects an ignorance of how the discipline of history operates.
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10:34 AM on 06/03/2010
What a PERFECT explanation of how conservatives (all of them) communicate their ideas and ideology in the mainstream. This is an important difference in how conservatives and 'liberals' talk and think... Conservatives are forever telling everyone WHAT to think, HOW to think about myriad subjects and WHEN to think about what conservatives want you to think.
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M Cubed
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10:55 AM on 06/03/2010
I wouldn't say ALL conservatives. I know several in the profession who do not impose their own assumptions about intentions. That shows the importance of training in ones' field. Sadly, from the outside, history looks pretty simple--read a book, come to a conclusion. If you look at the footnotes and bibliographies of good history books--not textbooks--you will see a real effort to read multiple titles and to read around the issue as well. My dissertation will have hundreds of books, primary sources, and articles in three languages and I am only concentrating on an eight year section of the Cold War. And yes, I will include works by conservative scholars like Condoleeza Rice.
I wonder if physicists have the same problem with physics enthusiasts.
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ragtag
12:54 PM on 06/03/2010
Here's a semi-painful experiment you can do to prove your point. Listen to a Beck broadcast and count the number of times he says "I want you to" and the number of times he refers to how "intelligent" his audience is for believing what he believes.

A very common ploy among almost all right-wing talks show hosts...
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uniquindividual
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09:45 AM on 06/03/2010
This post highlights the real problem with Beck. He does not recognise facts and uses falsehoods to manipulate millions (ironically, just like Stalin and Hitler).

I have no problem with rational conservatives who honor the truth, we will disagree, but their policy solutions will be more grounded in reality. However, our country is in deep doo doo when millions of voters are being led by individuals who tell gross, over the top lies and then act on those lies by electing representatives who also don't ackowledge the historical record.
11:03 AM on 06/03/2010
How did we get here? Or has it always been as it is now? Unneccesary classification of information for other than real security reasons plays a part. How can you have an informed electorate when many of the relevant facts remain hidden. Lack of education may be a component. Are children taught to think critically? Is critical thought encouraged by parents? Whatever the cause, it is frustrating and can be dangerous. Bush's military record showed someone who was successfully dodging combat service but he was made out to be reluctant to avoid service in Viet Nam. Kerry had a fairly well documented record of combat service. Yet he was portrayed as a coward and liar. We ended up with four more years with a bumbler-in-chief. Now some are trying to convince people that climate change is not a problem. The delayed response that results will only increase the ultimate pain and suffering.
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uniquindividual
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03:30 PM on 06/03/2010
I think it started when the fairness doctrine was repealed. Then it accelerated when Fox news won its case in 2000 and was given the freedom to knowing lie and communicate to the public that they were reporting the truth.
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09:37 AM on 06/03/2010
Glen Beck seems fascinated with Nazi Germany you don't suppose in another life he was Hitler?
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yourmotherwasahamster
Love many, trust few, always paddle your own canoe
09:42 AM on 06/03/2010
And in the next, he shall be a bug. I look forward to seeing him on my windshield.
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10:07 AM on 06/03/2010
HaHAHA! It couldn't happen to a better lunatic to bad we couldn't gather up all the right wing illusionists and send them to Costa Rica with there mentor Rush Lumbaugh! I'd fan you but i already did.
09:33 AM on 06/03/2010
Beck can pretend to be a historian to the partisan, uninformed dullards that turn into his histrionic crying sessions but he is simply a poorly educated sap making lots of money by peddling a blend of anti-intellectualism (a staple of right wing politics) and hateful conspiracy theories. I suspect Beck could not pass a high school civics quiz yet he is happy to share his incoherent, and often looney, pontifications – on everything from American Middle East diplomacy to international currency markets – with the rest of us.
His themes – how the treacherous secular/liberal elites are selling out the country, how our cultural heritage is threatened by foreigners (immigrants, Muslims) are right out of the Italian fascist playbook of the 1930’s. Beck - with his brand of intolerance, politically fabricated “history” lessons, and ultra-nationalism – is the heir of Mussolini, not the Founding Fathers as he would like to imagine.
09:32 AM on 06/03/2010
The Church of England and the many religious wars in Europe and Asia along with the Spanish Inquisition caused the Founders to want to avoid any such problems in the New World.

They wanted no Church to act as ruler, they did not want church to dominate forcing a single view taking away the freedom of the people to choose their own church.

The Separation of Church and State allows us the freedom to choose what be want to believe and where we decide to worship and which church we want without any government interference.

This is the belief they had from the beginning to have a Free New World where people had the freedom to choose their religion without any persecution.

Those freedoms cannot exist if church is brought into the political arena or into the government because if one church pushes it's ideology into politics or the government it will mean the government will be ruled by the church dictating to others.
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10:36 AM on 06/03/2010
I would add that it must also be recognized that the politicization of the Church of England was also a motivation, i.e., it wasn't just church interfering with state, but the opposite as well. This does not weaken the separation argument at all, but for some reason conservatives reject that idea that by opening state to the influence of religion you also open religion to the influence of state and the result is Great Harry claiming to be the head of the church on earth (at least in England and its colonies) and state Shinto in Japan.
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11:12 AM on 06/03/2010
If you observe British History from Henry's founding of the Church of England through the Glorious Revolution in 1688, you will see that culture, economics, society, politics, even the form of the government itself was shaped by the battles over which religious doctrine was in power. One can easily imagine a rational mind pronouncing "Enough!"
However, do not overlook the fact that some of the colonists--the Massachusetts Colony, for example--desired to create their own theologically-based community to the exclusion of other confessionals.
11:09 AM on 06/03/2010
I wonder what they would have thought about the current American aristocracy of wealth.
09:28 AM on 06/03/2010
Sheesh, arguing with Glenn Beck (he gets no "Dr." from me). Arguing with a bottle of Beck's Beer would prove far more stimulating. And at least you'd have a chance of your ideas getting through to it.
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M Cubed
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09:31 AM on 06/03/2010
Thank you for sparing us the uber-obvious follow up line about comparing heads on the two Becks.
09:42 AM on 06/03/2010
Dr. Beckyl?
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CynAnne
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10:17 AM on 06/03/2010
And we wish he'd Hyde...! ;)
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booktone
09:28 AM on 06/03/2010
Thank you for listing St. Ronald's fiscal record of deficits and raised taxes. It drives me crazy to hear conservatives talk about Reagan's small-government, low-taxes legacy when it's an out-and-out lie. Eight straight deficits, the largest national debt to that point in history, and ushering in an era of conservative lunacy--both social and economic--that still hasn't abated? Some legacy; I don't even like to fly into the airport named after him....
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uniquindividual
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09:47 AM on 06/03/2010
Don't forget deregulation of Savings and Loans, foreshadowing the mess with electricity and Bank deregulation.
10:25 AM on 06/03/2010
And HIDING the S&L Crisis until Bush Sr. could inherit it.

Anyone who says Reagan was a fiscal conservative is talking about Reagan the candidate, who ran for 7 years on a balanced budget platform and a mocker of Keynesian spending. Reagan the president is the all-time leader for government overspending, even worse than Bush Jr. He tripled the national debt all on his own in only 8 years. But he had to buy his way out of the 1981-82 Recession like a good Keynesian, after all, didn't he.
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Pantleg
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11:39 PM on 06/03/2010
Clinton did that by appealing the Glass Seagul (Spelling) act
11:02 AM on 06/03/2010
You mean the airport named after the man who fired all the striking air traffic controllers?

If only we could convert our cars to run on hypocrisy. America would be energy-independent in no time.
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yourmotherwasahamster
Love many, trust few, always paddle your own canoe
09:22 AM on 06/03/2010
Beck apologists, where are you? your Dear Leader is under attack by *shudder* lefty liberal elitists and you are not here on your white horses brandishing your righteous swords and shields to protect your Master? oh, shame.
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M Cubed
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09:27 AM on 06/03/2010
Maybe the interns have been reassigned to some other tasks, like fetching coffee or whatever their boss drinks.
11:18 AM on 06/03/2010
Sooner or later they will descend upon us like locusts.
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ProgressivePartisan
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09:05 AM on 06/03/2010
Bull's-eye!
06:53 AM on 06/03/2010
soon all that will remain of glen beck is a small pool of green acid reflux that dribbled out of his inaccurate, lying and foul smelling mouth..his spineless skin will also be there ..just enough to allow him his show on Serius Network though, .where his current good looks will not be a needed asset..someone suggested his bowl of green stuff may wind up in the Smithsonian Fox Wing...which doesn't get many spectators these days.. the wing's days are numbered as are beck's... fear not glen..as palin becomes irrelevant as well, the two of you can have your empty bodys and souls carried and hung on a clothes hanger in the sattelite radio studio the 2 of you will inhabit, and you can live happily ever after....
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06:51 AM on 06/03/2010
Dr. Beck has to use a chalkboard because you cannot erase a computer.
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Batousghost
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09:08 AM on 06/03/2010
And he has tried...
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M Cubed
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09:27 AM on 06/03/2010
Just got a bunch of White-out on the screen.
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multifarious
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06:47 AM on 06/03/2010
That Liberty "University" would bestow a degree on Beck says more about Liberty than it does Beck.
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elijah24
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07:54 AM on 06/03/2010
Oh, I dunno. I kinda think the two were made for eachother. A match made in fantasyland.
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sharin
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08:05 AM on 06/03/2010
and that it was a degree in HUMANITY!!! just the thought of that makes me want to hurl
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laissezleswontonsbrulez
Semi-retired Family Physician
08:39 AM on 06/03/2010
To quote that reporter watching the Hindenberg collapse in flames, "Oh the humanity of it!"
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M Cubed
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09:28 AM on 06/03/2010
Did anyone let Beck know that another definition of "Humanities" is Liberal Arts?
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Puller58
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05:58 AM on 06/03/2010
Beck isn't a serious commentator, and attempting to "debate" him ignores the fact that his audience is much the same as Rush Limbaugh's dittoheads. Historical accuracy is seen as is beauty; in the eye of the beholder. Spitting into the wind is more productive.
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Ohioan4truth
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08:58 AM on 06/03/2010
Beck and Rush are a tag team for the same audience.

You've got to keep the pressure on their brains constantly or they may float away!
05:23 AM on 06/03/2010
I'm sure Beck would have you on his show for a debate. BTW when you quote others and say how much you agree, you pretty much own the statement as well.
08:41 AM on 06/03/2010
That doesn't mean that you own anything other than the quote, such as... ohhhh, everything the person you quoted has EVER said.