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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
04:28 AM on 07/09/2010
Throw away the key.
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SAJP
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03:50 AM on 07/09/2010
So because this man carried out a Middle Eastern cultural practice -- which most Muslims condemn -- the religion of Islam is responsible?

Gee, I guess since Ted Bundy murdered all those girls in the USA -- a supposedly Christian Nation -- he must have been acting according to the Christian religion. *In fact, at one point Bundy claimed all his victims "were sinners."

Cheap shot Huffpost. Very cheap shot.
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Tlanice
06:30 AM on 07/09/2010
Did you even BOTHER to read the article? It's long but worth it. It pointedly says that honor kilings are NOT sanctioned by Islam but are a cultural practice in Middle Eastern and some Asian countries that happen to be Muslim. But Islam doesn't actually sanction it.

If ANYTHING the Xtian Bible sanctions it. (Think I'm about to get flagged). Read the old testament. Advocates stoning for pretty much anything.

Please SAJP, go read the article.
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07:20 AM on 07/09/2010
What a distorted picture you have. You seem to think that Western nations are influenced by the Bible in the same way as Islamic nations are controlled by the Koran and other Islamic writings.

Stop this false equivalance. The Bible DOES preach the subordination of women. That's one of the reasons why the Bible has LOST its influence in Western societies.

Look up the word 'secularism'.
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SAJP
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07:32 AM on 07/09/2010
They deleted my first post, which explained two important things that let you joyfully jump to your hasty conclusions:

1. They put this article in 'Religion' and my point is it does not belong there.

2. In the headline, they put the word "ISLAM" next to the headline "Honor Killings In America" and the face of the perp himself.

This crime has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RELIGION OF ISLAM -- I don't care if you disagree with me or not, but you should be able to understand my point -- even a lesser bonobo could probably grasp it without any mental strain.

I am a total atheist -- if you've read my posts here you'd know that -- but fair is fair regardless. Your hatred is, in this case, aimed at the wrong target.
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07:33 AM on 07/09/2010
Yes, 100 percent Islam and its consumers are the problem, without Islam this would not happen.
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SAJP
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07:48 AM on 07/09/2010
I could say the very same thing about Christians -- especially the ones who wear white robes with pointy hoods, put flaming crucifixes on our lawns and nearly kicked my grandpa to death for being an "Injun". In this case then,is Christianity to blame for the KKK?

Using your same reasoning, it apparently is -- even though that's not true either.
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anitaj
03:00 AM on 07/09/2010
There is no honor in treating people like property.
02:21 AM on 07/09/2010
These crimes have nothing to do with religion. They are cultural, and should be on some other page. By putting them on your Religion page, you do yourself and Islam an injustice.
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02:24 AM on 07/09/2010
Islam is based on male ownership of women.
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03:13 AM on 07/09/2010
As with all the Abrahamic "faiths." Whatever goodness there was in their original philosophies has been twisted by male-dominated power structures as a way of controlling the masses and accruing wealth and power to the few at the top.
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Tlanice
06:31 AM on 07/09/2010
You must not have read the Bible lately.
tcny
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02:25 AM on 07/09/2010
This is the faith these people follow -- just because it doesn't fit the image you WISH the religion had, it is, in fact, the practical expression of that religion on the ground.
02:51 AM on 07/09/2010
This kind of behavior has nothing to do with Islamic bullshit. This is about a cultural tendency to violence. So let me get this right. Murdering a family member is honorable? That's idiot logic.
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Tlanice
06:36 AM on 07/09/2010
Go read the article and research Islam. It doesn't advocate honor kilings. This is a cultural thing. If anything, as I said in another response, the bible advocates stoning for amost anything.
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AbsolutDemocrat
02:07 AM on 07/09/2010
Why was he in America if everything about his daughter fitting in enraged him? If he wanted to stick with backwards tribalism, arranged marriages, and an unhealthy suppression of sex, then go live in a country where this is the norm. Some Muslims assimilate just fine, others can't. It's like a square peg in a round hole. For those who can't, save yourselves the drama and the supposed "insanity" that leads to the murdering of your own children and stay in whatever Godforsaken country you come from and raise them there. America has enough problems; we don't need to deal with this nonsense, too.
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02:07 AM on 07/09/2010
I'm a Muslim and say categorically that "honor killings" have no place in Islam. They are a tradition born of tribalism and a general hatred and fear of women that has been given a religious veneer. It is time for Muslims everywhere to disavow the very idea and to assert that the honor of a man is to protect the women he loves. It is dishonorable to hurt a woman, physically or emotionally. It is dishonorable to blame a woman for being human, and for believing that she has a right to follow her heart, even when it leads to mistakes and heartache. There is nothing honorable about harming any woman. Those who think they are following the dictates of Islam in this will, like suicide bombers killing in the name of Islam, be surprised when they wake up in hell upon reaching the "other side."
03:04 AM on 07/09/2010
Grest post . Thanks.
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03:11 AM on 07/09/2010
Sorry, but even your post, while well intentioned, holds women as second-class citizens. The real "honor" is to treat a woman as an equal, a fully-formed human being every bit as intelligent and capable as any man (if not more-so) -- end this condescension that women need men's "protection" and that they need you to "let them" make poor choices and mistakes (as you seem to believe they are destined to do).
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07:50 AM on 07/09/2010
Right again.
08:07 AM on 07/09/2010
That's what Islam teaches.

Islam is actually the one Abrahamic religion that DOES treat women as equal.

I suggest you take a comparative theology course.
01:59 AM on 07/09/2010
I am troubled by many of the comments on this board.

As senseless, brutal, heinous, disgusting, indefensible, and criminal are the actions of this self-absorbed, sociopathic thug, his actions are little different than the senseless, brutal, heinous, indefensible, and criminal actions of each (usually male) thug that kills their (usually female) girlfriend, wife or lover in this country because they feel "spurned" (the old "if I can't have you, nobody else can" syndrome).

My point (poorly stated) is that brutal acts of violence, including murder are committed against women EACH DAY in this country, by men who belong in cages. These crimes carry no common denominator resting in religion, or culture, or nationality. Men of all religious, cultural and socio-economic backgrounds commit these acts of violence, and to the extent that people on this thread wish to focus upon the despicable acts of one Muslim, they are clearly missing the far greater picture.

It is easy for the bigots and the xenophobes to come out after reading an article such as this one, but it is important to recognize and confront the fact that these acts are being committed each day in this country, against all manner of women and girls, and by all manner of men.

Be constructive. Deal with it.
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04:05 AM on 07/09/2010
In some cultures, women collaborate with men in killing women for disobeying men. Read the article and see the where the loyalties of the mother of the murdered young woman lie.

It's not a matter of men killing women. It's a matter of a socio-religious culture that leads women to participate in their own oppression and destruction.
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StuntHunt
08:23 AM on 07/09/2010
I'm surprised that the article never mentioned the all-too common practice of Bride Burnings or Dowery Killings in India and Pakistan (and other places). Hundreds, if not thousands of women are murdered every year this way, often with other females assisting. It's a cultural atrocity, but that's how it is.
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Guy DeWhitney
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04:23 PM on 07/09/2010
You beart me to it! Good Answer; Richard Dawson would have a big kiss for you.
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Paula Ann
04:11 AM on 07/09/2010
having a dear friend who has worked in emegency departments over 20 years, you are absolutely right, american women and children are used as punching bags (and worse) all of the time. my friend even commented that most of the killings don't even make the news because they are so common place.
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ObamAtomic
01:51 AM on 07/09/2010
Shame!
01:43 AM on 07/09/2010
I really think the only to solve this problem is to make all orthodox Musl*ims move to a separate country where they can do all the cr*azy things they like and leave the rest of the civilized world in peace.
tcny
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02:11 AM on 07/09/2010
Why, so they can continue to abuse their women and children away from prying eyes? The solution is to cure all these people of their various religions.
Freesia2
I'm nicer than I appear in print. :-)
01:12 AM on 07/09/2010
Every murderer has a good reason for why he does what he does. And it's never good enough. Because somebody got murdered.

Throw the book at him. We have freedom of religion here. We don't have freedon to murder in the name of it.
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Logos Land
U mad?
01:07 AM on 07/09/2010
Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rapeee
Religion's obscure
Religion's a hwore

-Slayer, Cult
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kingofthenet
I'd be HAPPY if Gravity treated Men/Women Equally!
12:47 AM on 07/09/2010
"I meet with Natasha before I leave Phoenix, and she lifts her blouse to show me a crescent moon and star on her upper abdomen, with Noor’s name in Arabic underneath."\

Funny choice when it was Islamic customs that inspired this crime.
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Paula Ann
01:38 AM on 07/09/2010
yo, messiah...........what part of any of that is islamic custom?
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DemiCrat
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12:29 AM on 07/09/2010
I also found it disturbing that this family was allowed to make the decision to take her off of life support. Granted she was braindead and that is probably what her doctor recommended, they should not have been given the choice to make.
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patriciacaldwell
Yes, this keeps me awake at night.
12:32 AM on 07/09/2010
I was thinking the same thing. Her family should have been banned from the hospital.
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Havana Thinks
Live and Let Live!
06:07 AM on 07/09/2010
Remember Gary Coleman's ex also decided 2 take him off life support and not notify his parents prior 2 the decision. It happens. It is wrong; But it happens. R.I.P. Noor Faleh & Gary!
12:23 AM on 07/09/2010
Isnt Noori Al Maleki the president of iraq? Just shows what kind of people we have running that country.
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patriciacaldwell
Yes, this keeps me awake at night.
12:33 AM on 07/09/2010
What does Al Maleki have to do with honor killing?
12:21 AM on 07/09/2010
There is no honor in this, only one small weak man/woman.