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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Bubba Gump
Christian, Liberal, Former NCO -- US Army Reserve
11:11 PM on 08/31/2010
American citizens have rights to not be coerced to part with their private property. Take a look at the Third Amendment. In a time of peace, even the military can't enter and take your home to shelter troops without YOUR PERMISSION!

"Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

And yes, there is such a thing as "eminent domain" but it's done on a case-by-case basis, not across the board for every citizen's property in the USA.
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Commonsensus
Micro-Bio? Conservatives would not understand it.
11:35 PM on 08/31/2010
From Article 1, sec 8- "To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Bubba Gump
Christian, Liberal, Former NCO -- US Army Reserve
11:47 PM on 08/31/2010
Which power?

Constructing and maintaining a military? Yes. Same section.
To coin money? Yes. Same section.
Building public roads and bridges across state lines? Yes. Same section.
Forcing American citizens, against their will, to purchase private products? Where is it?

Now consider this:

"Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
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shiloh2020
republicans - Depends on Wealthy
11:08 PM on 08/31/2010
no shiloh. I have virtually every pollster whose job it is to speculate about such things, on my side.
granted no one will know till Nov3 but those 'in the know' and history are on my side.
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Well, there's many of slips between cup and lips.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
rosal
JUSTICE always wins
11:03 PM on 08/31/2010
I didn't even finish reading, it sets my hair on fire. I blame the Dems for not screaming from the roofs on the hypocrisy of the right wingers. Unbelievable. And let's not forget the right wingers posing with the checks provided by the stimulus. Did the Dems made a big deal out of this? Of course not, and then they want the left to get excited.
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antmousie
11:34 PM on 08/31/2010
The Repubs are the only ones with successful message machine. Dems need to get on the ball.
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A Meat Beetle
Heck no, I'm not crazy. Why? Do I look crazy?
11:39 PM on 08/31/2010
The Democrats need a standard bearer who doesn't "reach out" an "build consensus" with the Republicans, but instead cracks their little skulls (figuratively speaking, of course) and makes them behave themselves.
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jmdziuban1
2nd door on the left, third button from the top, c
11:53 PM on 08/31/2010
Why would they need to shout it out? The hypocrisy is blatant. Why do the tea party, and those like them, not recognize it? Because, they do not want to. It does not conform to their pre-concieved notions, therfore it cannot have happened, at least not in that way.

The GOP knows this, and uses it to their advantage. There is hardly a level of transgression that a republican could cross, that would cause their most ardent, extreme, and loyal followers, to abandom them. They believe the GOP to be correct, Therefore the GOP cannot be wrong, or done something wrong. The idea is an unnacceptable propostion, and is rejected outright, without investigation. Something so obviously wrong, in their eyes, needs no investigation. It isn't the big lie, so much as the belief by some, that others, cannot, will not, could not, lie.
11:01 PM on 08/31/2010
these states are paying into it... until they prove their case why should they not try to get some of their own moneys back ?
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jmdziuban1
2nd door on the left, third button from the top, c
11:25 PM on 08/31/2010
They claim the law is un-constitutional, if they truly believed that, why would they involve themselves in something that is un-constitutional?
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Bubba Gump
Christian, Liberal, Former NCO -- US Army Reserve
11:35 PM on 08/31/2010
Hedging the bet with a back-up plan.
01:31 AM on 09/01/2010
Maybe for fear that a judiciary appointed buy the federal government will have some vested interest in expanding the power they control.
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Bostontru2u
Keep on Moving...The Left Way.
01:19 AM on 09/01/2010
They can get their money back by not wasting the tax-payers money on phony lawsuits in the first place.
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shiloh2020
republicans - Depends on Wealthy
11:00 PM on 08/31/2010
From Reagan’s presidency to the end of George W. Bush’s - 28 years covering January 1981 to January 2009, the national debt went through $930 billion to $10.6 trillion, an increase of $9.67 trillion. If you subtract the $1.5 trillion added to the debt during the Clinton years, there was a $8.13 trillion increase under Reagan and the two Bushes. Therefore, 84 percent of the debt incurred from Reagan to Obama occurred in the 20 years under Republican presidents.
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antmousie
11:09 PM on 08/31/2010
Republicans are well aware of that. They are the successful ones at keeping their voters unaware of facts, at least the voters who don't think so much, and so won't doubt what they say. Democrats are lousy at messaging, even though they have facts on their side.
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11:15 PM on 08/31/2010
"Democrats are lousy at messaging"

The problem in a nutshell. And I think you're being polite when you use the word, lousy.
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jmdziuban1
2nd door on the left, third button from the top, c
11:35 PM on 08/31/2010
That democrats are not lousy at messaging, the extreme right of the electorate is lousy at hearing, unless you tell them what they want to hear. The GOP tells them what they want to hear, even if it is not true, non-factual, or just plain wrong.

The GOP keeps telling their followers that tax cuts pay for themselves. There is no evidence of this, despite 30+ years of studies. and they continue telling it, and the followers keep believing it. Dick Cheney and the Saddam/al-Queda connection, and people still believe it. Obama started the TARP program, same thing. The GOP, and their followers only listen to what they want to hear. The problem is not the broadcast, it is faulty reception.
11:19 PM on 08/31/2010
I hear you and like this information but you also need to add Congress in the mix. Under these administrations of 20 years, how many were legislatively Democratic?
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shiloh2020
republicans - Depends on Wealthy
11:32 PM on 08/31/2010
The republican presidents would generally veto any legislation that was not to their likening, as would the Democratic president. http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Bubba Gump
Christian, Liberal, Former NCO -- US Army Reserve
10:59 PM on 08/31/2010
"The administration counters that the mandate falls within broad powers conferred on Congress to regulate interstate commerce."

If I've lived in Missouri for over 30 years and go to a hospital in Missouri, how is this interstate commerce? It's a bogus argument.
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jmdziuban1
2nd door on the left, third button from the top, c
12:02 AM on 09/01/2010
Insurance companies have a presence in multiple states, and sometimes countries. They fall inder unter-state commerce. the same holds true for hospital/medical groups/corporations. That would be my answer.
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Bubba Gump
Christian, Liberal, Former NCO -- US Army Reserve
12:22 AM on 09/01/2010
I understand what you are saying. But isn't it hard to believe that the government can force us to join a system by claiming we are a part of it -- before we are compelled to be a part of it?
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dfranz
With Liberty and Justice for all
10:54 PM on 08/31/2010
What is really sad about this is that there are people in those states who need this help. Blinded by ideology, these governors feel justified turning down benefits deemed for every American by law.

I guess it's the road of hard knocks. Should have made better choices. Besides, poor people don't vote.
01:34 AM on 09/01/2010
So force everyone into further debt to pay for what?
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methodman
10:52 PM on 08/31/2010
Everyone agrees hospitals need to post security guards by entrances and keep uninsured patients out. We could put priests in parking lots for them.We also can run an extension cord out. Uninsured patients should not get anesthesia. We should return to the civil war days. Those people should not have it. They get priests instead. Prayer is as effective as surgery. When it doesn't heal you. You just meet Gawd faster! No big deal.
I am a compassionate republican because I say I am. The republicans in California got it right when they stopped med-ical from paying for optometrists and being able to get glasses. . People shouldn't read. It makes them democrats Thank you Jesus and God Bless You Glenn Beck. Vote with us compassionate party conservatives.
10:41 PM on 08/31/2010
Typical conservative responses on this thread. "Well, if the money is already being spent.." Uh huh. Whatever happened to your "principles"? Its like all the conserv friends of mine who are claiming unemployment or went on Medicaid. Its completely justified in their mind, somehow. Like adding to the demand of these "terrible" government programs is somehow justified. Drive up the demand for these programs... nice job, conservs! Same with the stimulus. Vote against it, bash it, and then go to the ribbon cutting cermonies for all the projects it created in their districts and try to claim credit for it!. Shameless! No wonder the right wingers want a new party... these repugs are terrible when it comes to consistency!

So in this particular case, when Obama is running for re-election he will get to tout how so many states - even those who opposed it - saw the benefits in getting the help from the big bad federal government.

And as far as repealing goes, I don't care how many Repugs signed on to support repeal... You know how many of them are going to be willing to walk into a senior center this January and tell the seniors that they're going to repeal the new Medicare benefits (100% coverage for preventive services, "donut hole" closure of 50%) that just took effect? Nada. Zero. Not one of them. This repeal business is all nonsense.
10:58 PM on 08/31/2010
Yes, why would they use the funds if it add to the national debt? It does not jive with their ideology.

They know that their is a healthcare crisis in the country and the form is meeting a public demand while injecting money into the economy. Pragmatic hypocrites.
graciesgra
retired h.s. teacher from NY
01:29 AM on 09/01/2010
Who says they're going to walk into a senior center and tell them anything? They'll do it from a distance and blame Pres. Obama.
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ariveria
10:36 PM on 08/31/2010
how can the republican/conservatives oppose health care because "it interfers in the doctor patient relationship" then have the government jump in the doctor patient relationship with abortion et al

You can fool all the people some of the time. You can fool some of the people all of the time and those people are my audience.
Glenn Beck staff meeting April 3, 2009

"when the truth is found to be lies"
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RonGallion
I am John Galt
10:32 PM on 08/31/2010
You can blame the unemployment rate partly on Obamacare due the the point that it creates uncertainty in the job markets. Business will not hire new people without the knowledge of long term costs, and they don't know what that cost will be because of Obamacare, taxes, the lack of transparency from government and the general dislike of business in government.
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shiloh2020
republicans - Depends on Wealthy
10:43 PM on 08/31/2010
Speculation at best; however, you can blame bush and his administration for the 750k jobs that were lost in Jan. of 2009 and one could blame bush for the recession that began in 2007 as well. One could also blame bush for those tax cuts for the wealthy, those tax cuts contributed 3.7 trillion dollars to the deficits. One could also add in the cost of two failed wars to the bush administration.
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JessWonderin
11:08 PM on 08/31/2010
Ron only goes back to January 2009 . . . as do most "Conservative Republicans" . . .
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Proud Progressive
The Flintstones was not a documentary.
10:46 PM on 08/31/2010
Now that is convoluted!
In other words, anything that The Obama Administration does will cause uncertainty, and therefore unemployment.
I really hope that the American Public wakes up to the logic implied in that statement.
In other words vote Republican, or corporate amerika will finish the job they started during the Bush years-the wholesale slaughter of the American middle class.
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LaRue Parker
Living My Life Like It's Golden
10:24 PM on 08/31/2010
When people get sick and they have no where else to turn--"ObamaCare" is going to look really good.
10:32 PM on 08/31/2010
It was called medicaid, the senior citizens who will have less treatment options or a baby needing something deemed to expensive I doubt will share that outlook. The only people who will be ok under obamacare are those who don't get sick. We should all be just thrilled to death that the Government that makes so many good decisions will be in charge of people health
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Amondale
10:39 PM on 08/31/2010
Why are you purposely spreading lies? What is your agenda here?

OMG, FOLKS!

We have ourselves an honest-to-goodness Death Panel believer in our midst! I've heard of you people, but WOW! You really exist even after all the ridicule and fact-checking.

[[ waves emphatically ]]
10:42 PM on 08/31/2010
What a Fool
10:13 PM on 08/31/2010
4 dozen names would launch Obamacare repeal
House plan could undermine entire nationalization program

Eight more members of the U.S. House have signed on to a plan that calls for a re-vote on Obamacare, enabling members to repeal the massive nationalization program estimated to cost Americans a trillion dollars or more.

The signature total now stands at 170, just four dozen shy of the 218 needed to advance the discharge petition sponsored by U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=192033
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Amondale
10:15 PM on 08/31/2010
World Nut Daily, Wahoo!!
10:27 PM on 08/31/2010
ah yes. the 'shoot the messenger' deflection.
i just though it save the time of calling 170 congressional offices. but be my guest
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missouriwatcher
military veteran, veteran teacher, father, grandpa
10:16 PM on 08/31/2010
Which of the insurance giants do you work for?
10:26 PM on 08/31/2010
he he he. moi?
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missouriwatcher
military veteran, veteran teacher, father, grandpa
10:06 PM on 08/31/2010
I am surprised that my state is not mentioned, since it is also wasting what meager money it has on this same ridiculous lawsuit that it KNOWS it cannot win. Our wonderous Lt Gov is busy with this nonsensical selfish grab for votes from the hopelessly ignorant of my state. These are the same ones who don't want "government insurance" because it "takes away their freedom of choice". The only choice they want is to keep getting screwed over by the insurance companies; they have NO idea of what they say they don't want.
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gsmp
What the ????
10:09 PM on 08/31/2010
So sorry you have to deal with this_schmuck.
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missouriwatcher
military veteran, veteran teacher, father, grandpa
10:15 PM on 08/31/2010
Me too! But this is not just about me, it is about the poorest people in our state who are mentally still in the mid-19th century. These people live short lives full of curable ailments that they cannot afford to have treated, but are so proud of themselves for being "self-sufficient" that they can't think straight. Shannon County, for example, has NO doctor, NO dentist, NO hospital; and the bulk of the population (many without even safe, running water or electricity) live a near-subsistence level existence. Very sad, their situation; and they aren't even aware of it because it is all they know.
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gramma61
Pop popcorn without a lid.
11:10 PM on 08/31/2010
Just love that word!
10:45 PM on 08/31/2010
It's much easier to campaign for the votes of informed voters. You have to spend time (and money) to convince the latter. The former only require inflammatory catchphrases that will be echoed on Fox Noise
10:46 PM on 08/31/2010
“It's much easier to campaign for the votes of the woefully ignorant than for those of informed voters. You have to spend time (and money) to convince the latter. The former only require inflammatory catchphrases that will be echoed on Fox Noise”
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Sassys
09:54 PM on 08/31/2010
I am amazed that Georgia is not one of those 7 states...Maybe they just haven't had the time to show their hypocrisy yet? Yeah that's gotta be why. The far right is full of old people who would actually benefit from this very bill, yet they cling to their idiot party rhetoric because they actually believe they will get something out of it if they win...Reality is they will get screwed first because they will have backed someone that means them true harm.
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Amondale
10:01 PM on 08/31/2010
I know what it is. They're still scrapping together enough gas money to load into the Chevy and drive to the local county seat to file the papers for that dang blasted IslamofacistCare.
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Sassys
10:07 PM on 08/31/2010
LOL yeah and then they gotta go to their local Wal-Mart and see what's up with the greeters.