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oldfuzz
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08:21 PM on 09/06/2010
Generating good jobs is the right idea, but the government can't do it unless goods and services lead the way. The government programs the Prez is suggesting to improve infrastructure will help in the short term as they create construction jobs and they will help in the long term as the infrastructure restored and added assists the economic system, but "Bridges to Nowhere" do not help in the long term. Jobs... good jobs... and the right jobs for the long term.
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Changeizgood
11:15 PM on 09/06/2010
A salary in Green Tech, can support a family, as the trade for installation starts at 16.00 an hour. If you have Insulation experience and carpentry, Your family can afford a car and maintenance, or install independent Energy back up system of lithium battery and Solar/Wind combination. Sun may not shine at night, but certainly the winds blow. Tides move.

People, please stop electing people who refuse to think outside the box. Such thinking will put us back in the caveman days.
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01:22 AM on 09/07/2010
I've got news for you. Working for the medical field requires less training and pays far higher than that.
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Changeizgood
11:22 PM on 09/06/2010
Hey wish me luck tomorrow on helping people to fill out their resume's cover letters, and thank you notes, to employers. A lot of people don't like the resume format in Virginia Employment Commission. Scattered data sheets, of misfonts and wasted vision cells.

I think it's time to bring VA in the 21st century. First slave state, meet GenerationY.
We don't take caca either.
WE know how to work that brain and body, and put our vision that works forth.

Greed have not a place in OUR future. Profit is one thing, but extreme greed that throws people out of their homes, is and will not be tolerated.

Toldya, WE love our Grandmas and Pop Pops'.
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Mikeystyle
08:09 PM on 09/06/2010
don't ask the GOP:

Republicans introduce “Kill the economy” plan

Congressional Republicans unveiled a plan on Monday that they said would hurt the nation’s economy, benefit the wealthy at the expense of the middle class and add billions to the national debt.

The move is a continuation of Republican policies during the Bush administration and part of a plan they hope will lead to rising voter dissatisfaction and Republican gains at the ballot box.

“Remember how we racked up huge deficits during the Bush years, gave billions to the wealthy and let the middle class fall behind? Well, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet,” House Minority Leader John Boehner (R- Ohio) said. “We’re going to drive those unemployment and deficit numbers up so high that the American people will be voting Republican until they realize we screwed them over once again.” (continued….)

http://www.thechicagodope.com/2010/08/16/republicans-introduce-%e2%80%9ckill-the-economy-plan%e2%80%9d/
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01:25 AM on 09/07/2010
Allowing the rich to keep more of THEIR money is not "giving them" anything. You are another confused liberal who somehow thinks the wealthy have the responsibility to support you from cradle to grave. Oh, and by the way, Obama's 1.1. trillion dollar deficit has already surpassed Bush's deficit for his ENTIRE presidency.
07:59 PM on 09/06/2010
I'm glad someone gets it. Every time a new supermarket or discount store opens in the Dallas area, the TV news anchors smile as they declare "jobs, jobs, jobs!" and rave about how well the local economy is doing. But replacing a lost job that paid $60,000 a year with one that pays $20,000 is not economic growth. Our goal should be to create skilled jobs that will let people support their families, not just lower the unemployment rate by forcing people into dead-end minimum-wage positions.
08:06 PM on 09/06/2010
To achieve that, Congress can't consult with our "globalist" enemies (Manpower, Microsoft, IBM, Goldman Sachs, JPM) that want to pay less than living wages or threaten to send jobs overseas.
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OMEGA MAN
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07:29 PM on 09/06/2010
How about doing what China and Germany do ? All things necessary to achieve net exports to gain massive inflows of cash to our economy. Instead of ignoring a trade deficit that sap the GDP drastically, by sending our cash and jobs abroad.
07:33 PM on 09/06/2010
China will resort to making its people customers to drive its economy when we stop buying as much from them (which is inevitable since unemployed people of the U.S. can't drive a consumer economy and they rely heavily on our ability to spend).

China will be sustained for years if they have to because they have billions of citizens. Not a problem for us because we will be forced to make our own stuff again (which is what we taught China to do).
07:26 PM on 09/06/2010
This is a great article, but please delve deeper. People are anxious because Unions are being painted as the boogieman while Congress consults globalist enemies. Read this:

The Height of Audacity
Mark H. Ayers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-h-ayers/its-the-height-of-audacit_b_697347.html

[T]he brain trust at Manpower, Inc. is apparently unaware that there is 20% unemployment right now among the skilled trades in the United States (and in many areas of the nation, the rate is above 30%..40%).

[..]

The news of the release of this report undoubtedly foreshadows the ratcheting up of pressure on American lawmakers to expand the guest worker programs under the federal H-1B and H-2B visa programs, as well as further expand the L1 Intra-Company transfer visas.

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Hundreds of billions of dollars have been appropriated by the federal government over the course of the last two years for the purpose of jump-starting our national economy. Many of the jobs that are being created by the stimulus bill are in the construction trades. And with an industry unemployment rate that continues to hover at 20% nationally, the last thing we would think possible is for U.S. employers to claim that there are not enough American welders, electricians, boilermakers and other skilled craft workers available to fill these jobs. Rather, these employers believe that there are not enough skilled craft professionals who are willing to work for the starvation wages..”
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07:32 PM on 09/06/2010
What jobs?: Hundreds of billions of dollars have been appropriated by the federal government over the course of the last two years for the purpose of jump-starting our national economy. Many of the jobs that are being created by the stimulus bill are in the construction trades....Jobs have NOT been created and won't be. All Odummo is doing is bailing out Unions. Unions who have destroyed industries in this country with their high demands, high bennies and WE are PAYING for their damn PENSIONS!!!! Get the damn UNIONS out of here!
07:37 PM on 09/06/2010
Well, according to the globalist like Manpower, Americans aren't capable of doing construction jobs as we need training from an Indian university to hold hammers. Get a clue. The unions aren't the enemy and Capone is long past this generation of political astuteness.
07:17 PM on 09/06/2010
Manpower, a "global" outsourcing firm operating in Milwaukee was recently consulting by Congress. Why? Because they advertise a lot of jobs. Those jobs pay only $10-12/hr (that's only $20K/yr -- not a livable wage), but nevertheless, Congress felt the need to consult those losers.

What would happen if every millionaire in the U.S. created 5 new $10-12/hr jobs like the people Congress considers to be experts (Manpower)? What would THAT do to the unemployment rate? At a minimum, the millionaires would save some money by gaining access to Congress directly instead of paying millions to lobbyist. Why? Because they could take Manpower's seat at the table!
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07:24 PM on 09/06/2010
We need for this CONGRESS to go AWAY and they can take the damn Unions with them!
07:28 PM on 09/06/2010
As soon as you move to India, I'm sure you won't need to worry about Unions. Got your passport yet? Take care! Miss you like Bush!
07:11 PM on 09/06/2010
How many jobs could be created if the top 2% of the wealthiest people in the U.S. were creative enough to actualy start new businesses paying at least enough to support 10 new median income jobs? How about if everybody in the U.S. that earned over $1,000,000 created just 2 new $50K/year jobs? Couple that with ending the H1B and L1 visas and an e-verify system and you're sure to come up with an unemployment rate that is well below 8% even if we end up getting a double-dip.
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bushguy
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06:53 PM on 09/06/2010
More unions? Really? Every manufacturing industry staffed by union workers has essentially collapsed. The service unions are begging for a federal handout to finance goldplated retirement plans that are clearly unaffordable. Passing the health care bill required a massive carve out for union members at the expense of everyone else, and in doing so left a lot of angry citizens. Where the author of this post thinks support for more unions would come from is beyond me.
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skylark
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07:41 PM on 09/06/2010
Then why are Scandinavian countries and Germany doing better than the US, although they are heavily unionized countries, at least by comparison? Why do people like you always ignore that fact?
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bushguy
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07:51 PM on 09/06/2010
By what parameter are they doing better?
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miketg
07:58 PM on 09/06/2010
I know that the US has economically outperformed europe for decades. Hasn't been close in terms of GDP growth. Not sure what you are referring to. In fact, Germany has recently inacted policies moving their economy closer to ours. Western/Northern europe is doing the same.
09:11 PM on 09/06/2010
The U.S. gave Toyota a level playing field when they allowed Toyota to manufacture their product here. Toyota tried to play by the rule, but without the extra bloat (Unions). As a result, Toyota cut corners and killed people buying their products. At the same time, the U.S. let millions of Indians (Asians) come in to displace American workers. Ask any of the Indians (Asians) what type of car they will purchase and/or consider purchasing. They will tell you in a heartbeat that they ONLY BUY TOYOTAs because it is made by the smart (superior) people!
01:41 PM on 09/07/2010
Dear CommonSense,

Toyota has a better safety record than most other cars, and it was not the building that was at quesiton it was the design of the drive by wire. Not sure what point you are making, but Union built cars have lower quality than non-union ones, that is a fact.
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jeffrey678
You don't happen to make it. You make it happen.
06:44 PM on 09/06/2010
Do Democratic Politicians want to get reelected ? Pass a Currency Manipulation Bill with NO budget impact ! Big jobs/ economic impact.
OR Just do nothing and lose to the other party who will do nothing like the Democrats. High unemployment and deficits as far as the eye can see. Watch the "Iron Law of Wages at Work"
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bushguy
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06:55 PM on 09/06/2010
When you have reached the point where manipulating your own currency is a good idea you have become Zimbabwe.
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jeffrey678
You don't happen to make it. You make it happen.
07:03 PM on 09/06/2010
Asian currencies. You can't be that clueless !
06:34 PM on 09/06/2010
I feel sorry for Mr. Obama. I think he is noble and well intentioned but he stepped into some big doo-doo. and if any of you think that McCain or Romney would have done a better job of trying to fix this mess, then step up and say so. Because this is a big mess and Obama is throwing everything he can at it to fix it. He just happened to be elected at a bad time.
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bushguy
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06:57 PM on 09/06/2010
OK, I think Romney would have done a better job. It stands to reason that a person with no background in finance, business or economics would struggle in an historically difficult time. If we were to do it again, I assume very few people would vote for Obama because of his ability to manage the economy.
07:24 PM on 09/06/2010
Dear Bushguy,

Nobody would have done well, Mr Obama did worst than most, he promised what was impossible to deliver, and he wasted 3.0T on stuff that did nothing except increase teh weatlh of the wealthy, help out some unions, and extended the huge reduction in government employee by a couple of years. We will have reduction in our GNP by about 20 percent, it will be painful and it is necessary. Govenment spending will decrease by about 50 percent, once again, nobody is going to be happy about this, but it has to happen, and will. Nobody could have made the people happy, our debt is just to high.
06:25 PM on 09/06/2010
As long as there is the internet and people over in India (better educated than we are) and Europe can work on projects across the internet.....there will not be enough "good" jobs here in America. Accountants and CPAs in India are doing taxes. Indians are doing web pages. They are collaborating on IT projects. Those are good jobs that normally would pay in the $50-90K range, but because Indians do it for $10 hour....well -- you do the math.
07:25 PM on 09/06/2010
Dear Chicago,

15 Million illegals in the US, people from India come here every day. Guess what, plenty of jobs, here, just to many people getting government money to do nothing. Go pick some crops, or mow some lawns, you will find work.
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jamenta
There are other human values besides greed.
09:42 PM on 09/06/2010
Dear Markrsm,

Unfortunately mowing lawns and picking in the cotton fields does not even pay for an apartment these days.

My Best, jamenta
05:46 PM on 09/06/2010
Dear Friends,

Read about the Great Depression, do what this guy wants, and that is what FDR did. He refused to allow labor prices to drop. We hve 15 million illegal aliens living in the United States because we pay above market rates for work, if Americans were forced off welfare, they would take these jobs, and all would be well.
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jeffrey678
You don't happen to make it. You make it happen.
06:53 PM on 09/06/2010
Iron Law Of Wages, a perfect example. Wages drop to subsistence levels. No more open society. Concrete fences and window bars on your home. Conservative Utopia = Ethiopia
07:21 PM on 09/06/2010
Dear Jeffrey,

Are you trying to make the point that Malthus was corrrect, and the only possibility is an economic model that Marx recommended? I say no, but you need to understand that Ricardo has shown that any time of government intervention will cause an unbalanced economy, and you will produce less during this time. An economy is about producing goods and services, we do this very well, and we do this so well 15M people from other countries risk jail to be here and work. Hmmm, that is strange, we have 15M people here working and Americans can not find any work. If the illegal aliens were making subsistence level wages, why would they come here?
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Annirich
07:27 PM on 09/06/2010
Leftist Elites=SOCIALISM/MARXISM!!!
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harveyr2
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05:30 PM on 09/06/2010
More whining from a liberal without a sense of understanding business.

Americans, even after the recession, earn magnitudes above the world's wage norms. What is occurring in America is a reversion to the mean. Workers around the world are increasing their education and their competencies so the American worker no longer warrants pay 10 times higher than in other countries.

Not until the wages in these emerging countries rise and their new middle class begin to consume will the American worker see the end in their wage erosion.

Its not the CEO's fault. Its not Bush's fault. Its what's going to happen.
05:40 PM on 09/06/2010
right...never mind that little Wall St. Meltdown thing...

just love the revisionist take...well it ain't gonna fly.

Very, very weak argument indeed utterly unconvincing.
06:21 PM on 09/06/2010
Ooooh, ya. That little counter argument of yours really convinced me. NOT!
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07:48 PM on 09/06/2010
Americans do not earn "magnitudes" more than Scandinavians, Australians, Canadians, or Germans. And they have strong unions and active governments that actually provide services that contribute to the quality of life, (as opposed to just burning down other countries).
04:59 PM on 09/06/2010
I have been posting on this very issue for months now and have received some astonishly harsh criticism from die hard Obama fanatics who just don't get it.

I applaud any effort by the President to finally get moving on jobs...but if I as a mere citizen can figure out the need months in advance...what is up with this administrations slow learning curve??

It is one heck of an uphill battle to start moving on this issue in September 2010 with mid-term elections in Novemeber 2010. They have done their party a disservice by not acting sooner. It just may be too little and far too late, tax credits and the like are mere band-aids.. But...let's see if action can be harnessed at last...

the President needs to get some jobs rolling like...NOW, like immediately using the executive power he was elected to wield...does he truly understand the fierce urgency of now?
05:48 PM on 09/06/2010
Dear Valleygent,

Best way to increase jobs, is to increase the profits made off labor by lowing the cost of labor. So get rid of all these regulations, get rid of taxes and force people off unemployment, then we will have lots of jobs. Dang, we have lots of jobs, 15M illegal aliens are doing them right now, we just need to make americans understand that some times a job can not be fun.
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jamenta
There are other human values besides greed.
09:35 PM on 09/06/2010
Dear Markrsm,

Americans haven't had a real pay raise since 1974, while corporations have made record profits and the most wealthy have nearly tripled their wealth.

You propose supply side economics which any economist worth his credentials considers a crackpot economic theory.

Sincerely,

jamenta
05:52 PM on 09/06/2010
Yup, you recognized it before everyone.

Why don't you do your own little bit of job creation, and expand your company by hiring someone? Or is that not your responsibility?
07:28 PM on 09/06/2010
Dear Hedylamarr,

Yes, let business hire people that cause them to lose money, so everybody will be out of work, good plan. I own a business also, and I pay $50 an hour for labor to a Chinese company, because US engineers are to lazy, or stupid to do the work, if they have any skill they want $120 an hour. So few in the US want to work, they all want to have a job that is easy, and is just 8 hours a day.
10:02 AM on 09/07/2010
Nice bit of Red Herring work there miss "Hedy". I am not responsible for ending the status of joblessness in the United States...and hum... last I checked...President Obama certainly is. So sorry to hold him responsible for doing his job.
04:54 PM on 09/06/2010
America no longer produces real goods or services. Over 40% of U.S. GDP is big finance, meaning that the very speculation that caused this crash is also our bread & butter. What we peddle now more than anything else is debt and lies under the rubric of 'financial instruments'. That's what we sell to the world now, that's who we are. It doesn't make people like us. We can't even like ourselves. Basically we are global thieves and liars--this is our legacy now, this is our 21st century rep.

Unfortunately big finance does not create jobs, and the jobs it does create are mostly poorly paid service sector jobs in call centers. Those can be outsourced or subcontracted as 1099 work, and often are. The financial industry does do a great job of funneling money to the richest people at the top of the pyramid. It does THAT spectacularly well, as the last 10 years prove.

Until our government addresses that problem, nothing gets better, and our government is never going to address that problem because Wall Street owns our government. Organizing (unionizing) was an effective labor strategy when manufacturers needed our labor. Now no one needs our labor. If we have no bargaining power as workers, and we don't, then it doesn't matter what we demand or what we do or whether we join unions or not.

Welcome to the first North American banana republic. Expect the worst. It will come.
05:22 PM on 09/06/2010
I think you are right. Not everyone gets a college education. Tech schools use to be a way to get better jobs but everything is outsourced now. You can't raise a family working at Walmart! The jobs that will be created for new energy sources will be for college graduates. I get nervous when even college graduates can't find work. Wall Street needs reining in but too much money changes hands with the politicians! I worry about my three sons & future grandchildren!
06:00 PM on 09/06/2010
Dear Peedlie22,

Yes, you are correct, and the reason is the tax code as much as anything, we tax labor below 100K at a 16 percent higher rate than labor above 100k due to SSA taxes. The government makes about 42 percent of their revenue from SSA taxes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Receipts_-_FY_2007.png

If you over tax labor, you have the cost of labor higher, so this is a big reason why jobs have left, we tax labor much higher than non-labor