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Grada3784
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09:26 PM on 09/22/2010
It wasn't Elijah with the bears; it was Elisha, Elijah's protege. All because the kids called him baldy.
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Valerie Tarico
11:53 AM on 09/24/2010
Thank you for catching that.
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Grada3784
Dogmatic Dictators, believers or not, not welcome
12:27 PM on 09/24/2010
Elijah was a lot more hands on, killing the priests of Ba'al when Ba'al didn't answer their prayers. Plus he was a lot flashier than bears; he did fire from the sky.
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Vernon Gudger
08:55 PM on 09/22/2010
Have a good night to all, I am off to protect the citizens from the predators of DC. By the way, are they evil because of the devil or it is just human nature? LOL
07:27 PM on 09/22/2010
Ms. Tarico: I am looking forward to your series. Very creative.
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f0rTyLeGz
Everything is falling.
06:54 PM on 09/22/2010
My two cents... Any thinking being needs language to think. Language is a social phenomena. For there to be a thinking speaking god, he had to "grow up" surrounded by speaking individuals.
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pdferguson
Micro-bios? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bios!
07:07 PM on 09/22/2010
Oh, there you go, using that fancy pants "logic", gettin' all college-y and stuff.

Besides, everyone knows God speaks fluent English; he learned it watching Nick at Night on basic cable...
09:57 AM on 09/23/2010
Hopefully he didn't take many cues from Latka on taxi. Tank you veddy much.
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OuterBanx North12
Now with 33% MORE caffeine!
02:34 PM on 09/23/2010
His favourite show was All in the Family: "Moses, there, you have to show the people my Ten Commitments!"
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Jewels23
Whose woods these are I think I know.
06:17 PM on 09/22/2010
I had to re-read the article to realize that it is very likely that its author doesn't really believe in God. She is actually interested in the human mind and human emotions and how those play-out in various cultures as well as individuals creation of God.

That is very interesting -- I no longer believe in God -- but I do from time to time pray and have conversations with my childhood God (he is the one that still lives in my head and comforts me when I conjure him up -- it is a way to calm myself -- like meditating)
01:00 PM on 09/23/2010
Voice of reason...
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Trismegistus22
Crescat virtus per certaminem.
06:00 PM on 09/22/2010
It seems that I often pick at theological nits. Can a deity (biblical or otherwise ) have emotions at all? From a philosophical and theological point of view, no. Emotion can not be a valid divine attribute. Does the deity have a sense of humor? How about free will? Important because it requires evaluation of current situation with a view to decision making; and emotions color that process, thus limiting free will.
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catsanon
Humans... Such silly creatures.
06:15 PM on 09/22/2010
"Emotion can not be a valid divine attribute."

Why not? Gods are limited only by the human imagination................
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hayness
A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence
06:52 PM on 09/22/2010
I would think that would be because emotions are the product of the biological brain. Without a brain, you would be pure rational intellect. But that god's too abstract and impersonal for people to relate to.
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Trismegistus22
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09:15 AM on 09/23/2010
"human imagination" precisely ; but only if we are looking at the divinity as a projection of humanness.
If we view the deity having emotions as a projection (" human imagination") of humanity then the biblica deity would almost by necessity also be a projection.
08:03 AM on 09/23/2010
Trismesgistus22: Exactly.

As well as to humans, the free will and omniscience argument applies to God also. If God is all knowing, he knows everything he is going to do forever and cannot therefore have free will. Why would he be angry, or happy or sad when he knows everything that is going to happen. Nothing can be a surprise to him.

Must be a boring existence.
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Trismegistus22
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09:17 AM on 09/23/2010
When you start thinking about it, things can get a bit convoluted. And that is before you throw the biblical deity into the mix!
But maybe that's just me?
05:46 PM on 09/22/2010
All I know is that if a married woman in the middle east today were to proclaim immaculate conception as the cause for her pregnancy, she'd be stoned to death for adultery and nobody would for a second question the illegitimacy of her divine claim in the face of an instinct for self preservation. Yet for some reason people today are able to accept that when this happened 2000 years ago, when the middle east was in the actual stone age instead of the hyperbolic stone age, the kid was actually the product of god's ejaculate and not just some chick trying to avoid an old fashioned rock pummeling. Not to mention that if I were a carpenter in a land without a whole lot of trees, I'd be looking to run a cult scam of my own.
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hayness
A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence
06:55 PM on 09/22/2010
Please, get your mythology straight. The Holy Spirit came upon her. (Luke 1:35). ;-D
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dubbleplusgood
Occupy Your Brain
08:35 AM on 09/23/2010
upon? the Bible gets biology all wrong.
01:46 PM on 09/23/2010
Must have been a big one if she still got pregnant anyway. He must eat a lot of celery.
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10:57 PM on 09/23/2010
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05:38 PM on 09/22/2010
"In some ways, the concept of God is like an ink-blot test. The blot is there, but what you see in it depends on who you are. "

NO! In some ways, the concept of God is like a blank page. The paper is there, but what you see in it depends on your eye sight.
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07:10 PM on 09/22/2010
Or what you draw on it.
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Nabil Muhammad
10:41 AM on 09/27/2010
The Muslim God, for example, is defined clearly, unambiguously in the Quraan. God's not a blank piece of paper upon which you can draw your imaging, this would imply you can change the existence and essence of God.

Here's the Islamic God's concept of God: c.f Quraan 112:1-4

"Say 'He is God the One and Only. God the Absolute. He does not beget nor was He begotten. And there can *never* be a likeness unto Him'"
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Vernon Gudger
05:22 PM on 09/22/2010
The lie has been told and retold so much, that even rational thinkers are beginning to believe, and in some cases, accept that the mythical Jesus (Jesus in Spanish), really existed.
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emmanuel goldstein
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05:09 PM on 09/22/2010
I think of God/dess/s as a puppeteering puppet. Humanity constructed puppets for the sole purpose of controlling themselves. Is this bad? Not as long as we always remember we are the string puller's string pullers; that the puppet works for us, not the other way around.

That same creative force that is responsible for Universe is also responsible for allowing a person to reach their full potential as a loving and intelligent individual. The human mind is like a mini universe, and if a person can grasp the concept of a loving and intelligent force compelling the universe to exist in a way that it perfects it's self over time, replacing random ignorance and failed experiments with ordered and beautiful intelligence, that person can being to understand the nature of the human mind.

A desire to know God/dess/s is a desire to know the full potential in one's self. Jesus is "the way", a compassionate teacher to help those who have lost their way in life to come back to the path of self-perfection for the sake of all humanity. Jesus is a myth. He is the "one true son of god" and we can all aim to be God-like or Christ-like, but cannot be Christ of God, because Christ and God are only concepts, teaching tools.

These themes can be found throughout most religions, throughout most of the world. They are not special to The Bible.
06:06 PM on 09/22/2010
Have you taken time to consider the meaning of your first name? Check out for the meaning because it will do you good.
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emmanuel goldstein
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06:35 PM on 09/22/2010
I hadn't thought to do that before, my name being taken from Orwell's 1984. "God with us", very cool. I never intended to post such religious comments when I started posting here, thank you for enlightening me.
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Valerie Tarico
06:07 PM on 09/22/2010
said beautifully.
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emmanuel goldstein
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06:26 PM on 09/22/2010
Thank you =)
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05:08 PM on 09/22/2010
"Because we made him up to justify our own atrocious, selfish behaviour."

There, no need for a multi-part installment now! You're welcome. :)
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05:06 PM on 09/22/2010
Interesting... 1 thing slightly incorrect..the 1 Samuel.. it is 'tumors and rats' I think it must be like raiders of the lost ark and the ark was radioactive.. yeah..
Maybe the radio activity is why Elihah was bald too.. Man if I cursed everybody who said I was bald.. kind of a temper there..
And the Big Jesus, cursing a tree for no fruit when NOT even in season.. what is with THAT.. I don't curse an apple tree in June because I am hungry and want an apple..
Maybe.. this is a metaphor and he is actually cursing Buddah for discovering truth UNDER a Fig tree by meditating...
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Valerie Tarico
08:05 PM on 09/22/2010
I believe it is actually hemorrhoids.

Per the Jewish Encyclopedia: "The people of Ashdod were smitten with boils (Hebr. , A. V. "emrods"—that is, hemorrhoids); and a plague of mice was sent over the land (ib. vi. 5; the Septuagint, v. 6)." Here, from the writer of 1 Samuel: 5:9 And it was so, that, after they had carried it about, the hand of the LORD was against the city with a very great destruction: and he smote the men of the city, both small and great, and they had emerods in their secret parts.

So much more memorable, don't you think ;).
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10:09 AM on 09/23/2010
that is funny.. I didn't go to the jewish encylopedia... in Samuel though.. it does say they were to make gold replicas of the tumors and rats and put them in the ark...
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Nabil Muhammad
07:44 AM on 09/23/2010
huh, what?
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LucidPanther
05:02 PM on 09/22/2010
The old Testament Yahweh is sadistic, wrathful, jealous , capricious and murderous because humans created him in their image. He is a human projection.

Carl Jung does a great psychoanalysis of this God in his classic, "God's Answer to Job".
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07:13 PM on 09/22/2010
Exactly. God is what men made him.
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paleoimage
I'm happy to live in a fact based world
04:10 PM on 09/22/2010
There is a minority who comment on these forums who think it is possible to understand far more than we already know using the scientific method AND that there are always going to be a large percentage of people who have the need to insert a mythical, supernatural explanation for those things we do not yet comprehend. It is not a belief, to assume that mysterious things can be knowable, because the history of mankind confirms this to be so - however, it is much more a matter of belief to assume that there are mysterious "things" which can never be solved by science - unless, of course, these mysteries were figments of imagination to begin with.
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emmanuel goldstein
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04:46 PM on 09/22/2010
" it is much more a matter of belief to assume that there are mysterious "things" which can never be solved by science"

So in a seemingly infinite universe you think it's more a matter of belief to think we hyper-apes can fully understand everything than to think that maybe we can't? We already know we can't know everything, because when you get back to near the time of the Big Bang there is missing information. Leading cosmologist Lawrence Krauss points out in a lecture he gives (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo) that eventually anyone standing on earth who tried to understand the universe around them would think that our galaxy was the only in the universe because all the other galaxies will eventually be so far away from us that the space surrounding our galaxy would look empty.

Eventually background radiation will be gone. Similarly, there were forces created by the Big Bang that have already become unobservable by humans. The "edge of the universe" is constantly spreading out in every direction at, at least, the speed of light. Maybe we'll know it all someday, maybe not.

Not only has the universe accidentally created life, but it has accidentally created life capable of fully understanding it? That seems like a pretty incredible accident to me.

You seem pretty sure about the human capacity to understand things, why? What makes us so special?
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paleoimage
I'm happy to live in a fact based world
05:23 PM on 09/22/2010
I hope the point of your lengthy post isn't that all of this complexity leads you to the conclusion that there must be a supernatural creator. Did you notice your qualifiers "seemingly infinite" and "maybe we'll know it all someday, maybe not"? That's my point... Is it more logical that the universe - and all that is in it - are part of natural processes that theoretically could be understood - or simply imagine and fabricate mysteries to claim we'll never understand it all?
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ArtJunky
Belief is mandatory
07:29 PM on 09/22/2010
Remember, we "can't" know if the Sun or the Earth is the center of the universe. Oh, wait, yes we can...

Religion exists ONLY because there are questions.
03:31 PM on 09/22/2010
I'm not particularly religious. That is to say, the fact that I associate myself with a particular religion has more to do with my cultural heritage than my belief system. But I'm a curious guy, so I have occasionally cruised and commented on HPs Religion discussion board. What I find most interesting is that there is a clear majority who comment here who hold fast to the belief that there is no mystery that can't be solved by the laws of science. And that IS a belief, whether supported by the preponderance of the evidence or not.
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pdferguson
Micro-bios? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bios!
03:50 PM on 09/22/2010
Well, what I see here is a clear majority who hold fast to ancient beliefs that violate the laws of science--and common sense.

But you're making a false equivalence argument. Not all beliefs are equally valid or legitimate. Personally, I give far more weight to beliefs that DO have the preponderance of evidence on its side.
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US American
"...lightning ain't distributed right"
04:41 PM on 09/22/2010
I don't agree with the claim that a clear majority that believes that there is no mystery that can't be solved by science. Any rational person has to admit that there is no way to prove or disprove the existance of god scientifically and that is a pretty big mystery. Now that is not to say that the proposition is 50/50 but that is a whole different topic.
Science has one goal and that is to add to human knowledge. Science cannot deal with supernatural explanations to solve mysteries because by definition the supernatural is an unknown. If you use a supernatural explanation to solve a mystery you are just replacing one unknown with another and you have not added anything to the pool of our knowledge. People that trust science more than religion to solve mysteries do so b/c of the wealth of information it has uncovered. These discoveries in turn have made the human experience better. I am reminded of the old saying of: We can see as far as we can because we stand on the shoulders of giants.