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Tunghoy
My other car is a TARDIS
11:54 AM on 11/17/2010
I thought natural gas was slightly brown.
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stuckinarut
11:58 AM on 11/17/2010
They add that in, along with the scent (post production) so people know if it is leaking.

Problem is, it doesn't seep out of the ground with the scent added...so these people have no idea what gases could be in their house.
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11:54 AM on 11/17/2010
The natural gas drilling process known as fracking is extremely dangerous to the surrounding environment and people.  Fracking injects an entire soup of extremely toxic and unpronounceable chemicals (some of them secret) into the ground water which is causing people and animals to get sick.  People near fracking areas can even light their tap water on fire!  This is totally outrageous and infuriating!  The worst part is that arch-criminal Cheney made the industry an exemption from the clean water act.  The gas industry can now dump anything they want into our water supply.
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RedLeg2
Liberal Soldier Extraordinaire, 13B 88N 42R
11:59 AM on 11/17/2010
Fracking injects an entire soup of extremely toxic and unpronounceable chemicals (some of them secret) into the ground water which is causing people and animals to get sick.

That's the only thing I dont think is correct with your statement. The shale is well below the water table. The seepage comes from shoddy well construction. And they should pay dearly for their incompetence.
I don't like the idea of trading one fossil fuel for another, but can renewable's and green energy provide for us today? on scale?
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12:57 PM on 11/17/2010
Clean renewable energy can definitely provide us with all the energy we need, INDEFINITELY!  No other source of energy is as plentiful as clean renewable energy.  It is the ONLY reasonable solution to our energy problems.
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personal beliefs
Things never go according to plan, so plan accordi
12:00 PM on 11/17/2010
you are completely wrong.
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RedLeg2
Liberal Soldier Extraordinaire, 13B 88N 42R
12:02 PM on 11/17/2010
I dont think I am.
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12:57 PM on 11/17/2010
I am completely right.
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apogee2perogee
Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself.
11:53 AM on 11/17/2010
How about a transcript, please? Perhaps it was my connection, but the dropout was tremendous and could barely follow any of this discussion.
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stuckinarut
11:59 AM on 11/17/2010
You didn't miss much.
11:52 AM on 11/17/2010
Damn I was really hoping to see the Chris Tucker from Friday and Rush Hour
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
11:52 AM on 11/17/2010
Gas has to be de-poisoned like the one in Europe!
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AyeChart
Retired Army, half-retired physician
11:52 AM on 11/17/2010
Anything which benefits humanity is opposed by all greenies by default.
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Tunghoy
My other car is a TARDIS
11:53 AM on 11/17/2010
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stuckinarut
11:53 AM on 11/17/2010
How does fracking benefit future generations who will inhabit this land?
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personal beliefs
Things never go according to plan, so plan accordi
11:52 AM on 11/17/2010
FACT: Hydraulic fracturing has never been regulated by the federal government or the EPA or under the Safe Drinking Water Act. This technology, however, is ably and tightly regulated by individual energy-producing states. Far from being “pushed through Congress by Dick Cheney,” the Energy Policy Act of 2005 earned the support of nearly three-quarters of the U.S. Senate (74 “yea” votes), including the top Democrat on the Energy Committee; current Interior secretary Ken Salazar, then a senator from Colorado; and a former junior senator from Illinois named Barack Obama. In the U.S. House, 75 Democrats joined 200 Republicans in supporting the final bill, including the top Democratic members on both the Energy & Commerce and Resources Committees.
FACT: Natural gas development is regulated under the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Superfund law.
FACT: Fluids used in the fracturing process – made up of more than 99.5 percent water and sand – are readily available to the public. Pursuant to federal law, these fluids must be available at every wellsite nationwide. Additionally, state regulators list these additives online, including Pennsylvania’s Dept. of Environmental Protection. Further, a host of energy companies and service providers have disclosed these additives (see Halliburton, Range Resources, Chief Oil & Gas, just to name a few).
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Robert Finne
Into Full Frontal Nerdity
12:11 PM on 11/17/2010
Oh please. Posting your personal beliefs and calling it fact does not count.
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personal beliefs
Things never go according to plan, so plan accordi
12:18 PM on 11/17/2010
this is fact, just because you don't want to believe it doesn't make it false.
11:51 AM on 11/17/2010
Great job by Chris on this debate. He was much more prepared with facts, while his opponent talked generically about property values, scared children and how industry should welcome any and all regulation no matter how economically damaging it is or how much it's being pushed by partisan interests from those with pie in the sky hopes for economy crushing wind/solar despite the costs for each being multiples higher than nat gas. Any money spent towards wind/solar should continue on the R&D side until costs can drop into the same universe as nat gas or coal. If alternatives can get competitive enough to where they can drop the price of fossil fuels, then we'll be at a point of a rapid scale implementation without destroying the economy and by definition the political interest that would push it. Natural gas as a bridge will save Democrats from entering the political wilderness pushing green jobs a decade too early.
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ClarkOHrepub
BO & Co have Gotta Go!
12:03 PM on 11/17/2010
I came in late on the conversation.  Did they go into the detrimental effects of solar and wind?  For those who do not know, solar panels use toxic materials in the panels that are mined, many surface mined, and requires a strict recycle program to contain those materials. Wind....well.....have you traveled up I-65 from Indy to Chicago? Miles and miles of them. How does the turbulence from these windmills affect our wind patterns and weather?  And then there's the whole issue with lithium batteries the electric alternative offers....and the hazordous mining, recycling and disposal of it.
 
Nat gas is not without concern...that's a given!  So too are the alternatives. We need to reach a concensus that we move forward as quickly as possible to take control of our energy needs.
12:14 PM on 11/17/2010
didn't watch it all, but I didn't see arguments against wind/solar, kept to natural gas. But yeah, there's really no such thing as a renewable energy source (aside from trees) since wind and solar do require mining for finite materials for both the panels and windmills and the batteries for storage.
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TheFabOne
From the Bottom To the Top, The Cream Of The Crop!
11:51 AM on 11/17/2010
Is Natural Gas Really Green?

..........No. REALLY natural gas is clear.

Clears the room every time.
11:50 AM on 11/17/2010
Shes pretty hot
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Core-Sample
Not on the rug, man....
11:49 AM on 11/17/2010
FRAC Haliburton and all Earth r a p i n g / pillaging corporate vampires.
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stuckinarut
11:54 AM on 11/17/2010
fanned.

Fight Plutocracy!
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RedLeg2
Liberal Soldier Extraordinaire, 13B 88N 42R
11:48 AM on 11/17/2010
we have double quantity of the saudi oil reserves in natural gas. this is a gift.
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11:50 AM on 11/17/2010
It's a gift only for the corporations that will exploit it.  To the people living on top of the gas, it is a death sentence.
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RedLeg2
Liberal Soldier Extraordinaire, 13B 88N 42R
11:52 AM on 11/17/2010
not all areas that are fracked are ruined. the majority of wells are fine.
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AyeChart
Retired Army, half-retired physician
11:53 AM on 11/17/2010
You've let the Marxist cat out of the bag!
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Core-Sample
Not on the rug, man....
11:52 AM on 11/17/2010
Trust me, you'll pay in more ways than one for Haliburton's self gifting ploy. Oh, yeah, and that little thing that no one cares about, Earth, will pay as well.
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youvebeenflagged
11:48 AM on 11/17/2010
Just another way for oil companies to rape the planet. Why do you think d-wad oil barrons like T-Boone Pickens have been pushing gas?
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Core-Sample
Not on the rug, man....
11:53 AM on 11/17/2010
Yep, and just another scam for ignorant Americans to lap up without thinking with their own heads. Perhaps their heads are the problem anyway.
11:48 AM on 11/17/2010
is it green? yeah sure- just like money. now let's add green coloring to OIl and paint Nuclear plants green!!!
11:42 AM on 11/17/2010
Isn't this a risk-reward equation? What are we willing to risk to get the reward? Aren't there some places in this country that are too pristine or delicate to entertain the risk?
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Core-Sample
Not on the rug, man....
11:47 AM on 11/17/2010
Like the Gulf used to be a long time ago?--long before the mighty Miss. was confined and oil drilling corporate vampires devastated hundreds of drill sites. Every river and stream in the country is now polluted-thanks to chem biologists during WW2.
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stuckinarut
11:56 AM on 11/17/2010
Capitalism requires resources. It must expand to survive by definition.

We can't regulate a failed ideology.