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jayrag123
as salaam 3laykum
01:07 AM on 10/11/2010
Americans fall behind in education compared to other countries even though America has the top colleges in the World.
In Africa an educated person can speak 2 tribal languages, english, french. In Arab World many people also speak english or french. In Asia the english language is taught. And in Europe most educated europeans speak 2 or 3 languages.
Only in America is one language seen as all you need to know.
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
12:07 AM on 10/11/2010
This same cast of characters was responsible for the movement to shut down the Kahlil Gibran academy, New York's first-ever dual language Arabic-English school.
How ironic that Khalil Gibran was a Christian not a Muslim. The ignorance of Americans never ceases to amaze. Gibran was also the third best selling poet in the WORLD.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
01:14 AM on 10/11/2010
Also, President Kennedy's often quoted phrase "ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country" originated with Kahil Gibran.
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MelissaGoldman
One moment in time--RIP Whitney
02:02 PM on 10/10/2010
why do we need to learn more about islam?
some of us are learning all we need to know about it just by watching the news everday.
Zogby wants a propaganda war against reality so that the US won't go the way of Europe, banning burkas and minarets and electing the likes of Geert Wilders to the government but Zogby and the likes of him can't change the reality in front of us so he would fare much better by trying to change the hearts and minds of arabs and muslims more so than trying to convince us Westerners that their behavior and culture, which is often at odds with ours is not really indicative of who they are or what they believe in.
He also should start with CAIR who has openly said the islam is in America to take over...while that may not be the case (and I'm not saying it is or isn't because there is no way I can know for sure) just having a group like CAIR say it leads to suspicions among Americans against islam.
So maybe that is where Zogby should focus his efforts...? Or does he think he has a better chance lying to us and making us believe these lies?
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
04:31 PM on 10/10/2010
You make a very good case for Zogby.
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shothot
same, same, but different
11:45 PM on 10/10/2010
Wow!! Today I spoke with a very nice Iranian woman who ask me why americans are hostile against Iranians. When in fact, she stated, Iranians like Americans. In my attrempt to answer her question, I stated we are ignorant of other cultures and wallow in our ignorance, arrogance, and ethnocentricity, beleiving it is not our duty to know and learn about other nations and cultures. Unbeleivably, you have proved my point. I can only surmise, you think the sun revolves around you as well........ and the earth is flat. Amazing!! Just F***ing amazing!!!!
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10:41 AM on 10/10/2010
Zogby:

Our knowledge must grow, and what is taught in our schools matters to our future.
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I believe this article is intended to promote a certain view of Arabs and Islamic culture. Mr. Zogby wants the school texts to contradict what students read in the news every day. He wants school texts to present a positive view of Arabs and Islam, and this is what one would expect of him. We all want our view of the world to be treated as the correct view.

But that is not how textbook writing works.

We are arriving at the situation in America that Israelis and Palestinians have had for some time--politicized history. There is no single historical narrative that Palestinians and Israelis agree on. We soon will have no agreed upon view of Arab and Islamic history. Mr. Zogby contributes to this growing chasm with this propaganda piece.
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
12:19 AM on 10/11/2010
I must disagree with you. This is not propaganda. The ignorance of Americans in all things, and the Islamic world in particular is astounding and should be addressed.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
01:19 AM on 10/11/2010
Get to the history books - those written and accurately sourced by internationally respected historians and scholars. Among them there is agreement on the narrative. Suffice to say that it is at odds with what most Americans have been taught to believe.
01:05 AM on 10/10/2010
I invite all the Muslims of the world to join our non- Prophet organization.
01:04 AM on 10/10/2010
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes" ---Thomas Jefferson
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
12:20 AM on 10/11/2010
Tell it to Salt Lake City
02:54 AM on 10/11/2010
Tell that to Israel.
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04:46 AM on 10/11/2010
He or she, is funny, you beat me to the punch line.
01:04 AM on 10/10/2010
It is not difficult,” noted The Economist, “to paint a bleak picture of Arab failure, based on a broad spectrum of underperformance in investment, productivity, trade, education, social development, and even culture.”
Thanks to Islam, it remains rooted in the seventh century sensibilities of marauding bands of Arabian tribes led by Mohammed that spread the “faith.”
To this day, hardcore Muslims believe that the entire world must bend to Islam’s dreams of a caliphate, a single religion, and the brutal justice of Sharia law. Nohting can be more regressive.
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
12:27 AM on 10/11/2010
This is absolutely not true and your hate filled propaganda is astounding.The first hospitals and universities were in the Muslim world.During the middle ages Islam was the only source that kept Greek knowledge alive. Euclid is only known to us because of the Arabs. Algorithm, algebra,alcohol,chemistry, are all arabic.Ignorance like yours is far more regressive than Sharia law, which I doubt you know very much about.
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04:50 AM on 10/11/2010
You gotta laugh. If that was being spewed at Israel the Mossad would come looking for he or she.............and imprison for dissent.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
01:21 AM on 10/11/2010
To be blunt, there is no excuse for your stupidity. I wonder, do you own a passport?
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shothot
same, same, but different
01:43 AM on 10/11/2010
Wouldn't want to export "that" anyplace.
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notdarkyet
End the Drug War.
12:45 AM on 10/10/2010
It's always good to know more about everything. The more you know the more you understand.
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Doug Sandlin
09:31 AM on 10/11/2010
If what you know is true.

If what you know (or, rather, what you think you know) is false -- especially if you mistakenly believe that these false ideas are true ---- well, "hence all the trouble".

I have yet to see a true anti-Islamic statement.

That's not because there aren't issues (i.e. terrorism) to be concerned about; we can all agree on that, I'm pretty sure.

It's because it's as impossible to "wholesale categorize" Islam, as it is to wholesale categorize any very large group of people (i.e. Christians; Americans; women; gay people; Democrats; Californians; Hindus, etc. etc. etc. etc.) -- and whoever tries to do so is engaged in error and bigotry - which is inherently harmful.

Peace to all.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
12:12 AM on 10/10/2010
Americans would benefit from learning more about the cultures of others.

That being said, There are few nations more tolerant of diversity than the U.S..

Germany and France, considered bastions of social progressivism certainly have more understanding of other cultures, but it hasn't made them any more accepting of their immigrants.
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notdarkyet
End the Drug War.
12:46 AM on 10/10/2010
But I wonder if we aren't losing that tolerance? I always thought so too. But it is not just Muslims getting bashed here lately. Gays, immigrants, the unemployed. It grows.
04:12 AM on 10/10/2010
Three sahrply contradiction comments from motdarkey
HIlarious.

" I wonder if we aren't losing that tolerance"

"racists think they can just vote Repub.”

"Teabaggers eat the adults.”

LOL...

Ah, the tolerance... Very funny!
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FearlessFreep
A radical leftist with a JS Woodsworth avatar.
01:43 AM on 10/11/2010
Remember the Know-Nothings and the Ku Klux Klan?
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11:21 PM on 10/09/2010
Are the pictures of Muslims praying on the streets, preventing traffic and people from going in and out true ?
If so, this appears to be an act of passive aggressive behavior that is totally unnecessary. It gives
ammnunition to the anti-Muslims to spread their hatred. Religion is supposed to be private, and not
a public display, especially in Western countries. When in Rome, one should do as the Romans.
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shothot
same, same, but different
12:08 AM on 10/11/2010
When one has a need to hate, muslims praying in the streets seemingly would not qualify as a "good reason" ( as there is never a reason to hate). People throughout the world have prayed in the streets. When in Rome, one should enlighten others who adhere to the status quo. Just curious who decides what is "totally unnecessary".
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Doug Sandlin
09:37 AM on 10/11/2010
I'm sure that some Christians somewhere (and some Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.) have engaged in public protests/actions that didn't showcase their religion in the best light, either.

Islam is as least as varied as Christianity -- at least.

So many error-inspired people are sure they "know about Islam" because they've seen a couple of news stories, and read some things written by people who make a living from their anti-Islamic writings (i.e. Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipies, etc.).

In the 1960s, would the KKK really have been the best source for accurate information about the true nature and motivations of African-Americans?

Trying to understand any vast group of people via its worst examples makes exactly zero sense --- if for no other reason than the worst examples are always a very tiny fraction of the total group's attitudes and behavior -- and therefore, utterly non-representative of that group as a whole.

Peace to all.
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galex101
In order to change the world, I start with myself
11:13 PM on 10/09/2010
If you want a good lesson in modern religion, take your wife to a restaurant in Vatican City, then go to Jerusalem, then have a nice meal in Mecca.
That should be enough to taste religious tolerance today.
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checkmoot
We have met the enemy and he is us.
11:58 PM on 10/09/2010
You didn't give much detail so I did a little Googling and found that in the Vatican you will get mostly Italian, in Jerusalem, as there are both Israeli and Palestinian restaurants you get a better choice and in Mecca you also get a wide variety. Seems to have more to do with local tastes than religion though, so I don't quite get your point.
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TXfemmom
Grandma with eye on the future
12:39 AM on 10/10/2010
No non-Muslim can enter Mecca, so it is hardly likely that one can go to dinner there.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
01:22 AM on 10/11/2010
Utterly inane comment.
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notdarkyet
End the Drug War.
09:49 PM on 10/09/2010
When Yusef (formerly Cat Stevens) came out with a new CD, the first in twenty? years, two months before my husband died, I bought it for him. He loved it and knowing that he had read the Koran asked him why he didn't become a Muslim like Yusef. "It didn't grab me like it did him," was his answer. But then he read the Bible too and could quote it better than most Christians, but he wasn't a Christian either. It's not the book that corrupts but the reader. I played Another Cup at his memorial.
10:22 PM on 10/09/2010
Thank you for sharing your story. May your husband rest in peace with beautiful tunes humming in his soul.

I, too, love Yusuf. He has a beautiful childlike quality of appreciation for all. All that is.

Fanned and faved.
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notdarkyet
End the Drug War.
11:12 PM on 10/09/2010
Sorry--An Other Cup
11:46 PM on 10/09/2010
Also Roadsinger is lovely.....
09:30 PM on 10/09/2010
The Muslim world needs to learn more about Christianity.
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marco01
09:53 PM on 10/09/2010
LOL, as if the Christian world knows anything about Islam.
09:59 PM on 10/09/2010
You must understand that Christians and other find it deeply offensive that missionaries are arrested throughout the Middle East.
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harmlesstree
Psychohistorian
10:11 PM on 10/09/2010
Please! The only difference between Christianity and Islam, two Abrahamic religions, is that Christianity has been domesticated by liberalism and modernity ( except in places like Africa...where Christian fanatics and mobs still kill "witches") to a greater degree than Islam has! Christianity has a brutal history, worse than Islam.
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Weirdwriter
12:25 AM on 10/10/2010
Neither religion in and of itself is responsible for anything -- it is the adherents who are responsible for their actions, whether they claim a dubious justification for bad behavior or not.
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FearlessFreep
A radical leftist with a JS Woodsworth avatar.
01:51 AM on 10/11/2010
Places like Africa and the Deep South.
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Articulator
09:22 PM on 10/09/2010
" (remember neo-con Bill Kristol dismissing Iraq's Sunni/Shi'a tensions as "pop culture" for which he said "there's almost no evidence of that at all")"

Listen to Rush or Glenn for 30 seconds and you will instantly see they are starting with a conclusion and rationalizing out any absurd argument they can to get to that conclusion. How anyone listens to those right wing spinsters without breaking out in laughter is beyond me.

"They even launched an organized effort, called "Campus Watch", encouraging students to report teachers who are "pro-Arab" or "pro-Muslim". "

Not only are the right wingers extremely proud of their ignorance, they want to bring everyone else down to their level.
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edva
Capitalism vs Humanity
09:18 PM on 10/09/2010
"In the past 30 years, we've spent more money, sold more weapons, sent more troops, fought more wars, lost more lives, had more economic and political interests at stake, and expended more diplomatic capital in the broader Middle East than anywhere else on the globe."
Well, there's the problem!!!!!
10:45 PM on 10/09/2010
More Americans have lose their lives to illegal alien crimes in one year than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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marco01
10:55 PM on 10/09/2010
Got a credible link - from the unreliable internets - on this?
11:49 PM on 10/09/2010
And as for the Iraqis and Afghans who have lost their lives?