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dimplesmile7
10:26 PM on 12/05/2010
So what America is saying, no more unemployment for 99ers and no one will hire you either. Survive they best way you can, bye. Absolutely cruel!
06:39 AM on 12/06/2010
What this clearly tells them is "Busineses don't give a damn about you. Your government doesn't give a damn about you. Your neighbors and peers don't give a damn about you." after they've witnessed so much fraud, deception, and selfishness, you better believe they will begin to take matters unto themselves. No one wants to die. You can be sure they'll start attacking wealthy people, perhaps even violently.
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julbar
09:57 PM on 12/05/2010
Recruiters have an obligation to provide the best candidates to their clients.. At the higher levels, in my industry which took a hard hit from the economy, there is a better understanding of the caliber of the candidates who lost their jobs through no fault of their own..

Some industries are simply missing the boat on great people because if this inane discrimination. It make no sense at all. Zero sense.
10:49 PM on 12/05/2010
I don't believe it at all. Americans know better then that, also the employers do.
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julbar
11:05 PM on 12/05/2010
It is true and some very big companies are guilty of it- a large corporation specializing in the distribution of health care systems and pharmaceutical products here in my own city among them. I would not name names however .. Fortunately, I am a recruiter whose clients do not think that way.
11:22 PM on 12/05/2010
When a company is laying off EMPs they start with the least productive­ EMPs. When you start hiring and you have hundreds of candidates to avoid another company's deadwood the company is justified in eliminatin­g the ones that have been unemployed for extended periods. This isn't going to change until unemployment number go below 7%
06:41 AM on 12/06/2010
It is illegal to target poorly producing employees during a layoff. Proper documentation is required to fire. So if you are doing this, you are breaking the law, and someone may report you. Layoffs are about reduction in force for budgetary reasons. If you simply assume they are poorly performing, it's wrong and illegal, and frankly unproven.
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julbar
11:20 AM on 12/06/2010
That is not the reason some companies are not hiring qualified unemployed managers,etc.. Many of those who are unemployed in my industry are very talented and only lost their jobs because the areas of business went dead or the company merged, was sold, or went out of business.. no fault of theirs and not surprising in a recession like this one.
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dorothy bnks
09:23 PM on 12/05/2010
This is a game employers are playing with the unemployed. They are not sensing desperation. The unemployed are better able to read interviewers who silently throw out the message: I'm in charge. I can get you hired or show you the door. They expect applicants to come in groveling, almost begging for work, and then call it "desperation." Frustration is more in line with bulls--t interviewers. I've been there, done that. More often than not, what I read on the faces of interviewers told me that I wouldn't get the job.

As far as turning away experienced applicants because of the "desperate vibe", that is untrue. The reason is a lesser experienced applicant comes cheaper that the person who has years of experience under his or her belt. Employers are looking at their bottom line. Squeeze more work out of an employee for less pay. It's pure blackmail of the unemployed.
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bruinlover09
08:20 PM on 12/05/2010
This recession is exposing more employees to the discrimination that women and minorities have dealt with for decades. Women who leave the workforce for a period of time, find difficult to find a job in their field, no matter what their qualifications are. The employers preferred recent grads or women who are already employed.

It is interesting that the Obama Administration, Democrats, and the Republicans are focused on continuing the failed policies of Reaganomics but refuse to acknowledge or deal with the reality of the labor market. Corporations are hoarding money and finding every excuse not hire people, then complain how their profits are down because no one has money. Unfortunately, it is going to get worse before it gets better because no one is will to do something different.
06:44 AM on 12/06/2010
But what's funny is they're reporting record PROFITS not losses! They are simply being hypocritical and trying to milk the market for cheap labor to increase profits on the back of a hurting America.
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PenguinLinux
got root ?
04:29 PM on 12/06/2010
Nothing will ever change until the government and corporations become less greedy.
07:19 PM on 12/05/2010
Is Wage Discrimination The New Age Discrimination For The Jobless

Are unemployed older workers facing a new kind of discrimination that is a new twist on age discrimination? The article below has some evidence that suggests there may be something going on with a new twist and there is some data to support that premise.

http://www.suite101.com/content/is-wage-discrimination-hiding-age-discrimination-for-the-jobless-a317133
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littlebrowngirl
Brevity is the soul of wit - Shakespeare
06:55 PM on 12/05/2010
I have found many people who interview others are often not qualified to interview anyone. They lack understanding, training, and often common sense.
06:48 PM on 12/05/2010
It matters not if your Shepard is a Republican or a Democrat. You can thank George Soros.
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Bob Soper
11:24 PM on 12/05/2010
I encourage you, Rickerman, to remove your head out of Glenn Beck's patootie for a moment and see what is really happening in our country. This depression we're in was caused by rampant real estate and bank fraud, perpetrated by the Wall Street hucksters who have taken over both parties. There hasn't been this amount of wealth inequality in America for over a hundred years, and it keeps getting worse.
Soros is actually one of the few decent billionaires out there; the organizations he supports work for greater accountability & transparency in governmen,t and personal freedom. He's not secretive about his political giving (unlike the obscenely rich and greedy Koch brothers); Soros' Open Society Institute is a wonderful organization.
03:40 AM on 12/06/2010
You are on the wrong website. Youneed to type in Faux.com.
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Jody Dobis
04:42 PM on 12/05/2010
A couple of years ago, I had a disagreement with a pharmacist at a Target store. The argument was over the amount of personal information they wanted me to give them. As a matter of principle, I basically told them to shove it. I then decided to talk to the store manager on the policy that I considered private and personal. The female store manager was about 27, if that. Her experience level was thin and could have been better at her job if Target put some effort and money. She did observe that I was not a satisfied customer and immediately asked me to put more space between us. I took a second look at her and asked her to repeat the request which she did. After she gave me her talking points and the old corporate lines of bs, I proceeded to tell her that her job performance is not based on the number of satisfied customers but on how well she was able to handle a customer such as myself. Had that been a "seasoned" store manager, the outcome would have been more positive on both sides. Whenever a manager looks as if they are a deer in headlights, you know what to expect. Some businesses today are so short term minded that any detailed analysis of the true worth of an employee is never considered until it is too late and the ship is sinking. Someday business management is going to simplify itself out of existence.
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Saje3d
Author, humorist, semi-professional wiseass.
10:39 AM on 01/08/2011
Oh, the things I could tell you about Bullseye Mart.

Let's just say that inexperience and inability are endemic.
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libluv235
"conventionality is not morality"-Bronte
02:54 PM on 12/05/2010
My friend was laid off from a large pharmaceutical company due to one of those mergers and outsourcing. And by the way they are now outsourcing phd chemists. She is a harvard and berkely trained pHD. This is freaking ridiculous! If they don't want her they deserve the bad karma they are building.
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sloreader
writ this down
02:51 PM on 12/05/2010
And just to add insult to injury, some of the same employers rely on credit checks to stifle even more unemployed people. There ought to be a law.
06:50 PM on 12/05/2010
Can you imagine the Hippie Generation lining up for pee-tests to get a job in 1980?? Entertain me now has ruined this generation. We have no one to blame but ourselves... Still, pitchfork time!
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sloreader
writ this down
10:35 PM on 12/05/2010
Too many people getting stymied for no good reason.
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zakwouldhave
Freethinker. I'm 80% ears. 20% mouth.
02:49 PM on 12/05/2010
Automation is taking over what used to be done by warm bodies and minds. I could name hundreds of jobs becoming obsolete because of technology and outsourcing. Obsolete means NEVER COMING BACK.
Many older people looking for work think their job experience should get them noticed and considered.....but half the older people I work with do not even bother to recycle at work and cost the organization real money. Who would you hire? And we have millions joining the workforce age all the time. This trend is not reversing anytime soon.
These are some cold hard observations that we have to deal with......rather than be "shocked" by the unemployment data we should get real.....as painful as that is gonna be. I don't know the answers but I don't hear many people on main street, wall street, DC or the states getting real with the people on this.
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Saje3d
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10:41 AM on 01/08/2011
We've known for decades that automation would change the workforce... The promise was that we'd reduce the work week and raise wages to compensate. Hahaha. Not in America, we won't.
01:34 PM on 12/05/2010
True story.

I took a job in March as a number 2 for a processing plant. When the number 1 got canned and they made further cuts, i found myself competing with a newly hired HR person for the job.

I walked and let her have it. Because if thats how these still yet to be humbled managements think they can run a company, they dont deserve my help.

I was right, now their problems are as worse as ever and facing a total shutdown with lawsuits to boot.
01:15 PM on 12/05/2010
This is definetly an economy where the people at the top of most companies and in HR dept's have yet to feel the squeeze. The problem though is most of them are still running their companies under the same euphoria they received while experiencing high growth and profits.

I've done alot of consulting lately as I too look for work and many of these smaller to mid size companies, 50-250 mil, are bleeding because like many workers a few yrs ago who are now unemployed, they are in a state of denial as to the underlying changes they face.

The fact is, many of these people who still retain their management or HR positions will soon see themselves being replaced as the proprietors of these companies themselves begin to cry unlce and submit to change.
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lmktacwa
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02:36 PM on 12/05/2010
F&F. Yup... at my company, they are replacing "employees" with what is called "Purchase Service". The company now does not have to pay healthcare, 401K, etc... and the wages are cut by 2/3rds. Those of us with jobs will all be working for minimum wage soon. And yes, the light will come on to the HRs and to mgmt, but for realsies, they don't have any power to stop this train that has already shot off a cliff.... its going down no matter what.
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janejoad
01:07 PM on 12/05/2010
That's complete BOLLOCKS. Women have gone through this for decades. They're had to leave and rejoin the workforce after having children, or divorce.

I'm starting a new business today. It will be adivising JOB SEEKERS, how to SPOT INCOMPETENT MANAGEMENT, that CANNOT otr WILL NOT take the F.U.C.K.I.N.G. time to look at you rersume and deseminate the information to make a clear decisin based on work record and experience.

THESE are the people that should be OUT OF A JOB> What SHEER INCOMPETENCE. It speaks to the lack of experience on the part of the person doing the hiring, if they cannot factor in all the information.

When I went on the interview for my job (in 2001), I hadn't worked in a few years while my kid was in high school. Not only did I let my experience speak for itself, I go in with the idea, that YOU NEED ME, I don't NEED YOU..........I was hired at the interview. I had to tell the Director that I smoked a little pot now and then (when she mentioned a frug test) and she said, just quit for 30 days, WE"LL WAIT FOR YOU, and they did. She told me that by confiding that to her, she had ABSOBLUTE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE in me.

SO, SCREW them. It won't be long, that business will come to a standstill due to these nincompoops. Then they will be begging for workers. STAY on UI until they start paying what we're WORTH.
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zakwouldhave
Freethinker. I'm 80% ears. 20% mouth.
02:55 PM on 12/05/2010
I would not hire you. You sound like you are good at self promoting....but the days of self promotion forcing the issue are over because companies hold all the power these days. Companies will not be "begging" for workers anytime soon and if you belive that you have not been paying attention to outsourcing, automation, the workforce age population increasing faster than job openings and the end of the real estate boom (which employed countless warm bodies and minds)...it had to end. But good luck.
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janejoad
01:14 PM on 12/06/2010
So, not even a look at my resume, my letters of recommendation from notable Scientists in the fields of Molecular, Marine and Neurobiology? No thought to the millions I've saved the taxpayers when spending National Science Foundation, National Institues of Health, or NASA funds? No attention paid to my attendance record, or my accomplishments?

Just don't like that I love what I do huh? Well, there you have it.

I am at the MERCY of what JOE F.U.C.K.I.N.G. BLOW thinks.

I speak plainly on this post, but I also don't let employers push me around, else my pants would constantly be around my ankles and my jaw would be overworked, if I let employers have their way.

What if someone like PALIN, or PUTIN were my employer, they have power, should I be afraid of them?

I say it AGAIN. START PLAYING HARDBALL WITH THESE BASTIDS> the counrty will benefit in the end, if the workforce has ENOUGH INTEGRITY to convey to business, the need for the AMERICAN WORKER> especially if you want HAPPY Americans who will not REVOLT AGAINST YOU.

In addition to what just 3 years ago, was called A HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE WORKFORCE, we are CONSUMERS. If we DO NOT TOOT OUR OWN HORNS,
WHO WILL? Our POLITICIANS? Weren't they the ones who SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER to begin with.

You may not like me, or my manner SIR, but at least I have the B.A.L.L.S. to PUT UP A FIGHT.
HSC55
We will be known forever by the tracks we leave
05:43 PM on 12/05/2010
I would not hire you. Poor spelling and english skills.
12:07 AM on 12/06/2010
oh come on! she is commenting on a blog here not applying for a job! the only thing i dont agree with that she said was "stay on UI until they start paying what we're worth". I think its that kind of statement that is giving the false impression that people are choosing to remain on UI willingly and not looking hard enough for work. My husband would give an arm and leg to get back work!
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janejoad
12:48 PM on 12/06/2010
Really? I may have made a typo, but POOR English? Sir, (and I know you are a man, because this is exactly what I am speaking to in regards to women in the workplace) I've worked many years at a major University in Southern California. My clients are all in the Biological Sciences (Principle Investigators) including, Molecular, Marine and Neurobiology. I spend the taxpayers money ( NIH, NSF and NASA money) I have a long history of SAVING the taxpayers money.
You're comment is a perfect example of poor judgement, having taken only a fleeting and cursory look at an individual who has spent years honing their skills. YOU WOULDN"Y HIRE ME? That's a laugh. I CHOOSE whom I will work for. I don't suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, like yourself, I don't need a Master, I EARN my place in the workplace.
Having spent a good portion of my life working at the University level, I have seen them come and I've seen them go. I've seen snots like you, come on the job with NO experience behind you are make a mess of whole departments, then quit. I had the same job for 20 years. I LEFT ON MY TERMS. Actually I left to take care of my dead SIL kids, after a family tragedy out of state.
So how about you take your imaginary job and SHOVE IT........is that clear enough ENGLISH for you?
And this fgoes for ZAK too........
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josh h
Keep voting your staight party ticket sheeple
12:53 PM on 12/05/2010
When a company starts laying people off they usually start with the least productive. When you start hiring and you have hundreds of candidates you're probably justified in eliminating the ones that have been unemployed for extended periods. This is unfortunate but isn't going to change until the economy drastically improves.
05:00 PM on 12/05/2010
agreed
07:41 PM on 12/05/2010
No, not always the least productive. Try those who, having been at the company for years, have earned vacation time and benefits that the companies now feel they don't want to pay anymore. So much for loyalty. And also, even if the big boss's secretary is a waste of skin, it won't be she who gets fired, it will be some clerk in Accounting who has no big guy to go to bat for her. THAT is who gets fired first.

And as for being "justified" in passing on people who are unemployed for extended periods? Hey, unless you're in a field where there are only a few of you who do that job, it's really hard not to be unemployed for extended periods, through absolutely no fault or shortcomings or lack of productivity on the part of the unemployed person. Especially in the clerical fields, the market is flooded with secretaries, clerks etc. who lost their jobs when business got bad, and those will be the last jobs to come back, if they do at all, because employers have found they can work the people who are still there to death. Or they will hire temps. I am currently a temp who just got a job with our county -- it was formerly a "real" job, now it's open-ended temp at a much lower pay. So nothing in place for raises, bennies, advancement. I should be elated to be working, but part of me feels trapped.
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amd02148
04:50 AM on 12/06/2010
Im giving you your first fan dinnyr.
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janejoad
12:54 PM on 12/06/2010
BRAVO!!! Fanned and Faved. It is amazing how many points of view there are in relation to this subject. I've finally figured out that it is REGIONAL and people in different areas of the country are haing different experiences.
I am astounded however, at how many of the JUDGEMENTAL, ill informed people, are the ones who make the nastiest comment, ergo my hardheaded relpies to them.