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colgan
Thanks M and D for raising me to think for myself
04:23 PM on 12/04/2010
(shaking head in disbelief)
(totally speechless)
(pouring a glass of wine)
(questioning the sanity of our elected leaders-all of them)
(saying a prayer for the unemployed, underemployed, and soon-to-be unemployed Americans)
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04:51 PM on 12/04/2010
I think you're going to need something stronger than a glass of wine
04:16 PM on 12/04/2010
OMB director David Stockman, whose 10 minute appearance on the CNBC's strategy session left the hosts with absolutely nothing to retort. The stunner: that job "growth" has come almost exclusively from the part-time economy (two-thirds). Why is this a major problem: "there are 35 million jobs in that sector, with an average wage of $20,000 a year: that is not a bread winning job, you can't support a family on that, you can't save on that. Those jobs will not generate income that will become self-feeding into spending."

Selling a few more cars to South Korea is not going to be a game changer and as there is little that we still manufacture in the good old US of A, it is doubtful that the Koreans will have much interest in seeing a few more McDonalds on their street corners.
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rtx47
04:33 PM on 12/04/2010
Creating jobs by economists and unions is like solving the debt crises by bankers. Economists have not told us why today's America needs a two-income family?

Despite what many write, need for two-incomes in a family are priorities and life-style. If we solved this issue - or rather made it easier (tax incentives if needed) to survive on a one-income family, we would:

1. Solve the unemployment crises.
2. Solve the education dilemma with a high (50%) school drop-out rate (and 70% in big cities).
3. Shrink the healthcare crises caused by lack of illness-prevention and end-of-life care; costing 50% of all healthcare costs; which is 2 trillion dollars.
4. Reduce the cost of managing chronic illness and nursing home which accounts for 75% of healthcare costs and 70% of deaths.
5. Reduce the 50% divorce rate.
6. Reduce the high incidence of depression in adults and children.
7. Reduce the high incidence of stress and stress-related disorders.
8. Decrease the consumption of junk, fast-foods, prepared foods and alcohol.
9. Rediscover the value of family, (near and extended), neighborhood and society.
10. Rediscover the importance of cultural values and ties.

Any one of the above should give us pause to realize what we are doing to ourselves; and how history will judge and evaluate present civilization. Yet long before history judges us, our children and grandchildren will judge us by the type of America we leave them; including the massive debt.
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GuiltD
04:39 PM on 12/04/2010
The only good thing going in our economy is consumerism which is 2/3. How depressing is that. We could of had a great president. Not a weakling who has absolutely no interest ( dont listen to the pretending crap) in redevolping the country. Want to get the country back on its feet? You fire Ben Bernake, strip the federal reserve out of existence, take all that stimulus money and strictly put it into rebuilding everything. Rebuild the sewer systems, rebuild the pipelines, rebuild factories, rebuild transportation. No more of this free trade bull crap we would put tariffs on china and india. Get off of this fiat currency system and buck the powerhold of the bankers over this currency fiat system. This could all be turned around in 5 years
04:11 PM on 12/04/2010
Who needs to vote Republican when you have Obama and the DLC? This is not centrism.
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Oakland
Eclectic Independent and Social Democrat
04:02 PM on 12/04/2010
If only we could negotiate a trade and get rid of Obama. He renegotiated NAFTA and turned it into Korea. He's says he's a DLC Democrat, and he's proved it - over and over and over. He's got to go.
04:05 PM on 12/04/2010
Agreed
04:00 PM on 12/04/2010
Barack Obama is an outright disgrace.
03:58 PM on 12/04/2010
You got to love the obama loving liberals battling the union loving liberals.
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grasyknol
Senator Sherrod Brown - My Senator!
04:04 PM on 12/04/2010
May I ask you a serious question? What exactly do you have against unions? Are you a CEO or major shareholder to a company? I could then see your angst if that were the case. Other than that...why are you opposed to American workers organizing?
04:07 PM on 12/04/2010
They are just here to cause trouble?
It is how they get their jollies.
Just ignore them, and maybe they will magically disappear.
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RussT
A system of reward, not entitlements.
04:07 PM on 12/04/2010
There was a time in this country when unions were necessary. But like any other entitity that over stays it's welcome, unions went from negotiating fair hourly wages and safe working conditions to all out greed.

It was the unions that destroyed U.S. Steel. It has been the unions that destroyed the American auto industry? You want jobs to come back to America? Quit threatening to strike every day.
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hypnotoad72
Freedom = real democracy = living wages
04:18 PM on 12/04/2010
Are you paid to write such idiocy?
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BadHaBritt
Always looking for the broader perspective
03:57 PM on 12/04/2010
The disintegration of our industrial base has been going on for over 30 years.
WE ALL KNOW IT.

The system collapsed over two years ago. THAT is when we should have started to change course and start investing at home and renegotiating the ridiculous trade agreements that have make us totally vulnerable to exploitation by the mufti-national corporation who have NO vested interest in this country.

Change HAS to happen, the current system does NOT work. We don't need any more simplistic knee-jerk reaction masking the maintenance of the Status-Quo. We need intelligent, constructive plans for rebuilding this country from the ground up NOT the top down. The whole deficit reduction fiasco is just BS without a solid plan to level the playing field and investing in the American people who will be the ones who will eventually save this country and they should get their FAIR SHARE of the rewards.
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grasyknol
Senator Sherrod Brown - My Senator!
03:56 PM on 12/04/2010
Forgive me for being skeptical about these Free Trade Agreements. We hear about S. Korea now opening up market for American Automobile companies.

I guess my question is why do we have to drag South Korea kicking into such a concession in the first place? What is free trade? We keep our troops in their country and we need to pull concessions from THEM?

I don't believe this agreement means American jobs.
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hypnotoad72
Freedom = real democracy = living wages
04:19 PM on 12/04/2010
I agree. And I think it means more S. Korean jobs. With US military and taxpayers defending them.
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colgan
Thanks M and D for raising me to think for myself
04:31 PM on 12/04/2010
Sounds like a win-win situation.
Win for S Korea and a win for the US military.
04:23 PM on 12/04/2010
"I don't believe this agreement means American jobs."

Are you kidding? Here are just a few points from the article. US Chamber is supporting a deal effectively shipping over 150,000 American jobs overseas AND The agreement was initially negotiated by President George W. Bush in 2007 AND critics of the deal insist that it will further erode the manufacturing base.

The only question is "Who" will the Republicans run in 2012- another Bush? This President will not will win re-election, he has lost his base. Sold them out too many times. Just think if they run Jeb then the Bush's will run the US for another four year or maybe another eight. We need to vote out the Democrats and replace them with representatives that will support middle class.
Political Piggy
Free comments and ideas are worth every penny paid
03:55 PM on 12/04/2010
Once again, America will not let this President win - even thought last one was treated like a Roman Emperor.

A couple of weeks ago the opinion being widely broadcast was, essentially, that Obama was a failure because he could not complete a trade deal with South Korea - completely ignoring that the talks were still in process. Now that he has completed one, the opinion that is starting to be widely broadcast is that it is a terrible thing to have completed a trade agreement with South Korea.

It is certainly fair to be for, against or neutral on this (or any) issue or policy, but taking turns being against the exact same issue or policy seems especially short-sighted and ill-informed.
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naschkatze
A free man creates himself.
03:59 PM on 12/04/2010
There's a fallacy in your argument. You cannot prove that the people who cheered the agreement on are the same people who criticize it.
04:16 PM on 12/04/2010
There doesn't need to be proof of certain groups, it's the overall public perception that's being accounted. Apparently the man can't even pardon the right criminals in the eyes of the public. It's getting more and more ridiculous everyday. I'm not saying the guy is perfect but he's doomed if he does and doomed is doesn't. He's lost the presidency and by no real fault of his own.
04:01 PM on 12/04/2010
The has never been any real support for this or any other "free trade" deal from real Democrats. Only the fake neo libs playing Democrats on TV offering up fake debate, fake polls and fake consensus.
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GuiltD
04:54 PM on 12/04/2010
Agreed. And then democrats who don't really understand what free trade means, only that it has a nice democracy sounding title to it, think its good and wonder why their town is broke.
03:46 PM on 12/04/2010
Another free trade agreement to build another countries economy. When will union workers learn from NAFTA.
Political Piggy
Free comments and ideas are worth every penny paid
04:00 PM on 12/04/2010
Trade agreements have been around throughout most of recorded history - they didn't suddenly start with NAFTA. Countries trade with one another because each side gets more total economic activity that way than by trying to do everything for themselves. No country is better at every single thing than every other country.

The real problem with outsourcing is not trade agreements - it is our domestic economic, tax and industrial policy. These have all steadily pushed manufacturing firms toward outsourcing since at least the Reagan years. In order to have an impact on outsourcing, it is domestic policy - not trade policy - that needs to be examined and adjusted.
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mgd2854
Don't believe the 1%
04:14 PM on 12/04/2010
Well then I guess we can agree then that the government business partnership has turned its back on the middle class then!
04:23 PM on 12/04/2010
Try again. Every country we trade with enjoys higher tariffs and subsidized labor training paid by the U.S. Both domestic and trade policy need to be examined. I can assure you it was not "free trade" that built this country, but it certainly has been it's downfall.
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hypnotoad72
Freedom = real democracy = living wages
04:20 PM on 12/04/2010
What do unions have to do with anything? This is about corporatism's version of "capitalism". Which also means you too will have to accept a drastically reduced salary to remain *cough*, "competitive".
04:24 PM on 12/04/2010
Then why are your precious Unions supporting it?
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03:45 PM on 12/04/2010
Good news. But just wait until the anti-good-news-corps hears about it. They will be steaming...ahahahaha
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03:49 PM on 12/04/2010
It is not good news. Not unless you consider further evidence of one seriously colluded president as good news.
03:44 PM on 12/04/2010
Who cares what the unions want.
03:50 PM on 12/04/2010
The American people care...you, not so much!
03:54 PM on 12/04/2010
Really......................source?
04:20 PM on 12/04/2010
They don't understand how unions destroyed many industries, steel, auto, coal...service. My guess is because many of them are union members....;)
03:44 PM on 12/04/2010
Free trade is another name for outsourcing and economic exploitation. Trade agreements have done NOTHING but hurt America. The mere mention of a trade agreement should leave a nasty taste in the mouth of America.
03:49 PM on 12/04/2010
THANK YOU! AND FANNED.
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naschkatze
A free man creates himself.
04:01 PM on 12/04/2010
Absolutely right. Fanned already but faved.
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blitznstitch
BAZINGA!!!
03:44 PM on 12/04/2010
It has to be ratified in Congress...yea, good luck with that one OBama..You cant even get the repugs to be for reducin nuclear weapons. The repugs wont let Obama have this win - creating jobs - nope...not for you!
03:48 PM on 12/04/2010
Exactly how has NAFTA benefited Union workers?
03:50 PM on 12/04/2010
Republicans don't have a choice. their overlords, the US chamber of commerce, has told them to support it. they will follow their master.
04:02 PM on 12/04/2010
Looks like the Chamber owns this President too. Wake up the Democratic party is dead.