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12:26 PM on 12/30/2010
Some of you, josephius, keep on referring to the "world" situation with respect to HPV and keep spewing out world statistics on cervical cancer incidence. Big problem. The article asked, "would you give Gardasil to your child?" I'm pretty sure she means HERE in the US or CAnada. We can and should expect a quality of care that includes decent screening in our healthcare-pap smears. Sadly, in other parts of the world, they don't have decent medical care, not to mention clean water, nutrition, decent sanitation. Big difference. That's why I support clean water initiatives in Africa over some stupid vaccine campaign. Oh, and I think I read yesterday on Mercola about the first boy vaccinated with Gardasil to have died.
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12:42 PM on 12/30/2010
4000 deaths too few?
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The statistic most often used is that 4000 women in the US die each year from cervical cancer. That's in a rich, developed country. The Canadian statistic is about 10% of that, with 10% of the population.

Yes, the death rate from cervical cancer is higher in countries without effective Pap smear testing and follow-up. But I haven't seen much mention of this.

I think 4000 deaths in the US and over 400 in Canada with current medical care is something to worry about. It seems to me that it is less of a worry to you.
02:28 PM on 12/30/2010
Then I guess the medical care has to be better, especially in the US!
02:32 PM on 12/30/2010
Oh yeah, and the cost /benefit ratio of this vaccine didn't look too good even when you consider just the initial series. Factor in the likely need for boosters and you have no good public health benefit,especially when you will need to keep doing paps anyways, and when you factor all the adverse events costs.
12:59 PM on 12/30/2010
But it was only a mere 8 days after the vaccine, which you scientists will no doubt claim is ridiculous to be making an association between his death and Gardasil. I don't think you guys understand human physiology and illness well enough, come to think about it.
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12:46 AM on 12/31/2010
There was only hours or a day between vaccination with HPV and death for an English girl. The cause of death was an unknown tumor in her chest found out by autopsy.
11:48 AM on 12/30/2010
I appologize to all the geniuses who proclaim themselves as "experts in the field". Thanks to them, I learn something new everyday. They were correct, the heavy metal and neurotoxin, mercury aka thimerosal is not an ingredient in Gardasil. 

However, aluminum is only  one of the toxic ingredients in the Gardasil vaccine including sodium borate, now listed as a dangerous poison (kills roaches) and polysorbate 80, which causes sterilty in rats. Let's just examine one ingredient, aluminum for example.  Aluminum is a heavy metal and neurotoxin, meaning poison to the nervous system. According to the medical textbook studied by medical doctors(Gray's Anatomy, 29th Ed., page 4), "the nervous system controls and coordinates all organs and structures of the human body", that includes the nervous system. In fact,the latest cutting edge medical research found a direct link between the nervous system and the immune system known as "psychoneuroimmunology" http://www .apa.org/m onitor/dec 01/anewtak e.html.

Aluminum accumulates in the brain after it is injected into the blood stream and has long term effects on the central nervous system and the immune system. A weak immune system interferes with the body's ability to fight off all infections and all types of cancers including HPV and cervical cancer. A healthy immune system fights off cancer cells and infections 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. That's basic human immunology.
 
I suppose the function of the human immune system changed with the invention of vaccines.
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12:50 PM on 12/30/2010
Aluminum is a light metal. Polysorbate 80 is used as a food additive in products such as some ice cream.

Most people don't need to read a medical textbook to learn that "the nervous system controls and coordinate­s all organs and structures of the human body.", but thanks for the information.

I don't believe the immune system fights of "cancer cells" but I could be wrong.

As I've commented elsewhere, the concern with aluminum adjuvants is with young infants or small children. The HPV vaccines are approved for use in much older children and teens.
01:18 PM on 12/30/2010
Ok I stand corrected once again, aluminum is a light metal not a heavy metal. However, that doesn't change the fact that it's a potent neurotoxin or the fact that there are other toxins in the vaccine. Yes, polysorbate 80, approved by the FDA, is in ice cream and many other food products. That doesn't mean it's safe and healthy to ingest, let alone inject directly into the blood stream. The fact remains that polysorbate causes sterilty in rats which can't be healthy no matter how you look at it.

How convenient that the HPV vaccines are approved for children and adults since infants aren't sexually active. I'm sure that the HPV vaccines weren't also conveniently approved based on biased studies paid for by the Merck corporation and supported by anyone else with financial interest. If not, feel free to post the sources of those studies.
05:03 PM on 12/30/2010
Before you started defending this dangerous vaccine, it behooves you to know the basics not only in anatomy and physiology but immunolgy.
The human immune system is naturally sophisticated and powerful and needs no help, just no interference. The function of the human immune system remains the same regardless if pharmaceutical companies and doctors want to impose their "educated stupidity" on uniformed patients/victims.
People with weak immune systems are prone to developing cancer than those with healthy functioning immune systems. Cancer doesn't make people sick, sickness over time causes cancer. In fact, the immune system is cancer's worst enemy:

http://www.google.com/m/url?ei=Ov4cTbClGMuOtge90sCTAQ&q=http://globalsuccess4life.com/21cancer/&ved=0CCIQFjAFOCg&usg=AFQjCNHIvd700pefcsSAQ77CBzDxIi70aw
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07:12 AM on 12/31/2010
You forget the vaccine contains dihydrogen monoxide, too.
A more deadly poison was hardly ever known to mankind.
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02:25 PM on 12/31/2010
http://www.dhmo.org/

http://www.dhmo.org/msdsdhmo.html

http://www.dhmo.org/cancer.html

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

"Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment."

"A recent stunning revelation is that in every single instance of violence in our country's schools, including infamous shootings in high schools in Denver and Arkansas, Dihydrogen Monoxide was involved."
10:21 AM on 12/30/2010
I've been lurking on this thread for a while, and I have to say, it reminds me of World War I -- stalemate, neither side will budge. But as a scientist, I have to say that it seems to me that the pro-vaxers have the facts and logic on their side. While there are instances in which vaccinations have caused harm (e.g. the poorly-done swine flu vaccine of the 70s), the risks are in general very small, and they have been tremendously successful in eliminating some dreadful diseases.

If I had an autistic kid I'd be strongly tempted to look for a scapegoat, but the anti-vax fervor of the parents seems to me to be tragically misplaced.
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01:38 PM on 12/30/2010
Some suggest this. I think the true motivation is that the truth paves the way for the shortest path to restoring (and maintaining) our children's health. I think the "vaccinate safer" movement is probably more pro-vaccine than many who won't look at all aspects of the procedure.
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07:17 AM on 12/31/2010
I also often wonder why I bother engaging in this trench warfare, but as Kitten says, if someone didn't come forward and counter the gross misrepresentation and terminological inexactitudes given by the rabid antivaxers, there is a good chance some parents browsing around the news items will come away with a grossly erroneous impression of what vaccines can achieve and how much their massive benefits outweigh the tiny risks associated with them.
06:38 PM on 12/31/2010
Dyson, Kitten -- I think you guys are doing a valuable public service (as tedious as it may be sometimes -- downright Sisyphean), for the reasons you mention. Keep it up!
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Josephius
No, not microbio, molecular bio and biochemistry!
10:04 PM on 12/29/2010
Can anyone name a disease that is less harmful than the vaccine that immunized us against it? Please include the list of symptoms from the disease and any stats you can dig up on morbidity/mortality, as well as disabilities.
10:40 PM on 12/29/2010
Well, that’s a complex question. The calculus depends upon many variables including: first world vs. third world conditions; and access to modern healthcare, diagnosis, and treatment for infectious disease.

For those who live in developed nations and have access to quality, modern healthcare (thus morbidity will tend to be caught earlier and treated more effectively):

The original, problematic DTP vaccine; since replaced by the DTaP vaccine. The oral polio vaccine (OPV) which can cause some cases of paralytic polio. Wyeth’s RotaShield rotavirus vaccine; withdrawn in 1999 due to intussesseption. GSK’s Canada H1N1 vaccine withdrawn in 2009. And, more recently, Australia has banned the administration of their Fluvax vaccine (made by CSL, marketed by Pfizer in the UK, and sold as Afluria in the US) since April 2010 due to children being admitted to the hospital with increased rates of febrile convulsions following administration of the vaccine. [1]

[1] Chris Thomson. “Flu vaccination ban goes national after fever, convulsions in children” April 23, 2010. Western Australia Today.
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/flu-vaccination-ban-goes-national-after-fever-convulsions-in-children-20100423-tglp.html
http://www.fiercevaccines.com/story/csl-shares-plunge-flu-vax-safety-concerns/2010-04-28
http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/2010/s100806.htm
http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/publications/news/news-now/clinical-care-research/20100812afluria.html
Josephius
No, not microbio, molecular bio and biochemistry!
10:49 PM on 12/29/2010
Your first sentence is both pertinent and insightful. However, when considering what an infection can do, even with access to modermedicine (assuming you can pay for it) the damage is significant.

Am I to assume that withdrawal/replacement of some vaccines with others is an indicator that it is worse thann the disease? improvements are always going to be made with all medicaments. That isn't an indicator of a major liability. Can you expand on your position?
Josephius
No, not microbio, molecular bio and biochemistry!
10:50 PM on 12/29/2010
Sorry. First paragraph, not sentence.
Josephius
No, not microbio, molecular bio and biochemistry!
01:01 AM on 12/30/2010
Is that it? Only Jon has anything to add to the discussion?
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05:52 PM on 12/29/2010
cont.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/05/a-license-to-kill-part-2-who-guards-gardasils-guardians.html

"...the vast majority of the Gardasil (81%) and aluminum adjuvant (75%) groups reported some kind of adverse event, most of which involved some kind of pain. By contrast, less than half of the carrier solution group (45%) reported an adverse event....On a retrospective basis, all but one of the reduced risks for the carrier solution group were statistically significant.

"...more than 2% of the aluminum 'placebo' recipients had severe reactions, more than three times the rate of adverse events in the carrier solution group. Based on this finding alone, it’s hard to defend the choice to classify Merck’s adjuvant as an 'inert' placebo.

"...in the carrier solution group not a single recipient chose to drop out of the trial...the rate of discontinuation in the Gardasil and aluminum adjuvant groups was nearly identical. As a result of this similarity on outcomes, the CBER reviewers dismissed any effect of vaccination on withdrawal decisions, in all likelihood because the vast majority of the officially designated 'placebo' group was exposed to the aluminum adjuvant."
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08:02 PM on 12/29/2010
A vaccine for older children and teens
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Now that the removal of thimerosal from vaccines is pretty well complete in routine vaccinations for children (except some flu vaccine) those generally opposed to vaccination have needed a new target. One target is aluminum based adjuvants. So be it.

However, even then the complaint has to do with age of the infants and the amount of aluminum adjuvant. That's a problem with this comment. Because HPV vaccine is not given to infants or small children. Oops.
Josephius
No, not microbio, molecular bio and biochemistry!
08:12 PM on 12/29/2010
It doesn't matter. It's a vaccine and that's all that matters. That's the reason why a purported autism advocacy website, Age of Autism, spends so much time on a vaccine that isn't even given to infants and small children. It is a great example of tthem showing their true colors.
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09:35 PM on 12/29/2010
Fascinating, here is some actual data showing problems and the only responses are nonsense about people who are concerned about vaccines switching from thimerosal to aluminum. How about addressing the actual data?
Josephius
No, not microbio, molecular bio and biochemistry!
09:58 PM on 12/29/2010
Sorry, but I'm not going to discuss Mark Blaxill's interpretation of a study where the publishing scientist clearly have reached a different conclusion about their own work than Mark"I'm not a scientist" Blaxill's did.
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Marsha McClelland
05:49 PM on 12/29/2010
Sheldon said;

"Daren, this is really funny. There are some disagreeme­nts between experts on vaccines and vaccinatio­n but they all rely on the science. You rely on the nonsense you read."

True science is on the side of many frustrated & desperate parents who witnessed first hand what happened to their children directly after vaccination.

Here's truth being reported about the fraud behind that so called "science" Sheldon backs.

The good news in this documentary was hearing it said, "One of the things we're looking at is holding the top executives personally responsible."

Vaccines are not mentioned but being categorized as a drug & in line with all the fact & evidence that's been presented by myriads, this past track, certainly, applies.

Especially since the side of truth has been silenced, effectively, until now by obvious blocking of fair debate & our side not given equal time in media.

"Documentary Reveals The Unhealthy Profits of the Pharmaceutical Industry"

http://preventdisease.com/news/10/122910_unhealthy_profits_pharma.shtml

"These cases are beginning to reveal vast corruption in the drug industry, with revelations of fraud, of cover-ups of fatal side effects and huge kickbacks paid to doctors."

The FBI is even looking at those top dogs according to this documentary.
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07:55 PM on 12/29/2010
Marsha, I'm all for openness and transparency. Science relies on it. And where companies cheat and lie, those responsible should be punished. But your video had nothing to do with the HPV vaccine or with vaccines in general. Demonstrating instances of malfeasance by pharmaceutical companies does not make all of your fevered delusions about vaccine safety suddenly true. If you have studies showing vaccines to be unsafe, please present them, but arguing by insinuation is a meaningless tactic.
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Marsha McClelland
09:32 PM on 12/29/2010
I already covered the fact this report didn't mention vaccines. Using logic & common sense in adding all the facts & evidence everyone paying attention realizes it's not just harmful drugs & other toxins to blame for what's been happening to our children & adults. Vaccines are the biggest culprit & the criminals responsible should be held accountable.
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05:11 AM on 12/30/2010
I just noticed that you're naming Andrew Wakefield as one of the doctors and scientists condemning vaccination. Interesting that you condemn vaccination for "fraud" committed in unrelated fields and yet are prepared to hold out as an example someone who has had his licence to practice revoked for dishonesty in *the* study that started this all. Doesn't this undermine your entire argument?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
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05:43 PM on 12/29/2010
This three-part analysis of Gardasil development and testing is concerning, but informative:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/05/a-license-to-kill-part-1-how-a-publicprivate-partnership-made-the-government-mercks-gardasil-partner.html

"In this narrative, Gardasil is perhaps the leading example of a new form of unconstrained government self-dealing, in arrangements whereby DHHS can transfer technology to pharmaceutical partners, simultaneously both approve and protect their partners’ technology licenses while also taking a cut of the profits."

http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/05/a-license-to-kill-part-2-who-guards-gardasils-guardians.html

"But in four of the five trials, Gardasil placebos contained a substance called an adjuvant, 'a substance which enhances the body's immune response to an antigen.' According to one of the trial publications, most of the Gardasil trial placebos actually contained an 'amorphous aluminium hydroxyphosphate sulfate adjuvant… and was visually indistinguishable from vaccine.' So although the majority of the placebo treatments in the Gardasil trials did not include Gardasil VLPs, they were by no means inert. In control populations representing nearly 95% of all 'placebo' recipients, the study subjects received a formulation that actually included an immunologically active (and potentially harmful) aluminum adjuvant. ...

"One of the five trials, however, was different...The correct description of the placebo as a 'carrier solution' rather than a 'saline placebo' was provided only once in the CBER review, buried in a table on page 301."

cont.
04:55 PM on 12/29/2010
Mercury also known as thimerosal is just one of the ingredient­s in the Gardasil vaccine among other toxins and the second most toxic subsatnce in the world to humans next to plutonium. Mercury is an extremely potent neurotoxin, meaning poison to the nervous system. According to the medical textbook studied by medical doctors(Gray's Anatomy, 29th Ed., page 4), "the nervous system controls and coordinate­s all organs and structures of the human body", that includes the nervous system. In fact,the latest cutting edge medical research found a direct link between the nervous system and the immune system known as "psychoneu­roimmunolo­gy" http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec01/anewtake.html.

Mercury accumulate­s in the brain after it is injected into the blood stream and interferes with the functioning of the central nervous system which weakens the immune system permanently. weak immune systems interfere with the body's ability to fight off all infection and cancers including HPV and cervical cancer. That's not an opinion, its basic physiology­. With that being said, I see no health benefits of injecting mercury and other toxins into the body.

In addition, if anyone comes across any UNBIASED scientific evidence that suggests otherwise, please feel free to post it. Remember, a true unbiased study is one that is not paid for by the pharmaceutical companies or doctors that support it (that would be analogous to the company that owns Burger King promoting their hamburgers).
05:08 PM on 12/29/2010
True, mercury (Hg) is a potent neurotoxicant. But there is no mercury (or thimerosal) in Merck's Gardasil vaccine or in GSK's Cervarix vaccine.

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
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05:21 PM on 12/29/2010
JonGH, glad that you are finally commenting on these ridiculous comments. But it is a little late and pretty minor. If someone who advocated vaccination was making totally ridiculous comments, I would have weighed in much earlier. Certainly, the debate is served when everyone condemns the totally ridiculous comment.
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06:13 PM on 12/29/2010
Are you sure, Jon? Don't they use thimerosal­ as a preservative in most vaccines? Since they don't have to list the preservatives, which is what I've heard, couldn't the HPV vaccines have traces? They all add up. Am I wrong about the preservatives not having to be listed, Jon? Regardless, there are other toxins in vaccines, including this Gardasil & the sister vaccines which may turn out to be the biggest monsters of them all.
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05:15 PM on 12/29/2010
How to do research on the internet.
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Doing research on the internet can be very simple If you want to know the ingredients in a vaccine, you simply google "gardasil product insert" (without quotes) and then take your pick. The FDA has a page on the vaccine. http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM094042

From their you can get a pdf file (works with Adobe reader) that is the product insert. With that file, if you search for thimerosal you get zero results. If you look at page 14, there is a description of the product and its ingredients. If you understand the history of vaccines, you quickly realize that it is near impossible that the vaccine contains thimerosal as it is only available in single dose products. And single dose products do not use thimerosal as a preservative --- that's limited to multi-dose vials, which in Canada and the US are limited to influenza vaccine.

The ingredients in Gardasil are listed in the product insert. They do not contain Thimerosal. The same is true for Cervarix.
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02:25 PM on 12/29/2010
The simple answer to this is to teach young men to respect girls, and to teach girls to abstain. I had sex with my husband AFTER we got married...I was 23. I do not think it is impossible to teach children to be moral, to limit themselves to sex AFTER marriage, and to find other activities as teens than necking in the back seat (or worse, in their bedrooms with parental approval!) I will urge my grand daughter NOT to get this shot. There are too many unanswered questions, and too many curious deaths. Whatever happened to morality in this 'Christian' nation? Seems to me the ones shouting about being Christian are the ones with out of wedlock children (eh, Sarah?)
02:37 PM on 12/29/2010
Susan... I wonder if you would mind commenting a little further? Would you consider yourself a consevative, moderate, progressive, or liberal? This is in no way a criticism. The relevance will soon be apparent. And, who is Sarah?
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06:19 PM on 12/29/2010
Palin.
03:15 PM on 12/29/2010
The issue here is not the morals of young men and women(that's another issue altogether) its about the morals and ethics of the company that produces and promotes Gardasil with their only motive being money not health.
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05:03 PM on 12/29/2010
Please provide evidence that the ONLY motive of Merck is make to money and that Merck has no interest in health? That is your claim, so please provide the evidence.

Here's an example: A statement by the board of directors of Merck that there only interest in HPV vaccine is to make money from the product and that the lives the vaccine will says are totally irrelevant to them.

I'm sure you can find the statement, after all you made the claim.
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06:26 PM on 12/29/2010
If Merck's only motive is profit, please explain why it has donated ivermectin for free to treat millions of Africans against onchocerciasis (river blindness)?
http://www.suite101.com/content/eliminating-river-blindness-a25397

And why has it created the "Neglected tropical Diseases initiative" to provide drugs such as its bilharzia drug, praziquantel to treat 27 million children?
http://news.merck.de/N/0/237FA0939A23117DC12574D30044F69F/$File/MPDP_1008e.pdf

Merck is actually one of the most magnanimous and altruistic pharma companies.
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Marsha McClelland
01:25 PM on 12/29/2010
A friend sent me the following link this morning concerning the HPV vaccine & had this to say;

"If a whole country is seeing the shady, deceptive practices of the US Pharma industry, and the significant safety issues with this vaccine....I think we ought to pay attention!"

This artice covers, "Why India Has Stopped Giving HPV Vaccines"

"The Lethal Medical Failure That's Still Recommended by Your Doctor"

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/12/29/why-india-has-stopped-giving-hpv-vaccines.aspx?aid=CD945
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11:37 AM on 12/30/2010
Marsha, I'm almost positive that Gardasil is still approved for use in India. What got suspended was a post-approval trial.
12:15 PM on 12/29/2010
The human body is born with a potentially extremely powerful immune system that can only develop properly without any interference. Vaccines are the first assault on the immune system that will have life lasting implications on the immune system. Health does not come in the form of an injection it is already present at the time of birth proving there's no intereference. To this date there is absolutely no scientific proof that vaccines immunized for any disease but there is proof that vaccines weaken the immune system. Doctors feel that just because they earned a degree in medicine, that they have the authority to ignore the scientific evidence and impose their "educated stupidity" on uninformed people by relying on their blind faith for their livelihood. I am not anti vaccine, I'm pro information.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4Zo3lnlnsUI&h=ec70c

Vaccines harm the immune system (mercury is a neurotoxin, used as a preservative in vaccines, that harms the central nervous system and the central nervous system controls the immune system):
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnaturalnews.tv%2Fv.asp%3Fv%3DCB60A6878F2DA93E8F5D65FC4740CB9E&h=ec70c
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03:33 PM on 12/29/2010
Daren, please stop your comment spamming. You keep asking the same questions and getting good answers which you completely ignore.

Vaccines present challenges to the immune system, just as natural infections do. The vaccine for smallpox eradicated it from the world and others have pretty much done the same. The vaccines for Hep B and HPV actually get a stronger response from the vaccine than from natural infection.
03:59 PM on 12/29/2010
I'm not the one "comment spamming". Is that the only intelligent reply you have to my informative posts. You need to look at your own posts before accusing me of spamming and in doing so, completely ignoring the subject matter.

How can you claim that the extremely powerful neurotoxin, mercury (just one of the ingredients in a vaccine among other toxins and the second most toxic subsatnce in the world) doesn't interfere with the immune system. "The nervous system controls and coordinates all organs and structures of the human body." (Gray's Anatomy, 29th Ed., page 4) that includes the nervous system. In fact the latest medical research found a direct link between the nervous system and the immune system known as "psychoneuroimmunology".
Mercury accumulates in the brain after it is injected into the blood stream and above all interferes with the central nervous system which weakens the immune system. That's not an opinion, its basic physiology. With that being said, I see no health benefit of injecting mercury and other toxins into the body.
04:14 PM on 12/29/2010
"The vaccines for Hep B and HPV actually get a stronger response from the vaccine than from natural infection."

You got that right, if you consider vaccine injuries deaths being a strong response.
12:13 PM on 12/29/2010
. Why would anyone refuse ? Perhaps they have seen reports like this one http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-faces-safety-questions/story?id=8356717 which quotes several leading experts '......."Although the number of serious adverse events is small and rare, they are real and cannot be overlooked or dismissed without disclosing the possibility to all other possible vaccine recipients," said Dr. Diane Harper, director of the Gynecologic Cancer Prevention Research Group at University of Missouri. "The rate of serious adverse events is greater than the incidence rate of cervical cancer." "
Perhaps they agree with with as reported by ABC..... "Dr. Jacques Moritz, director of gynecology at St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital, said he would not offer the Gardasil vaccine to patients when good cervical cancer screening techniques and treatments exist. He has also chosen not to have his 11-year-old daughter get the HPV shot ..." Perhaps they have read the piece in the NEJM "Human Papillomavirus Vaccination — Reasons for Caution"
"Despite great expectations and promising results of clinical trials, we still lack sufficient evidence of an effective vaccine against cervical cancer....'. ...."The bad news is that the overall effect of the vaccines on cervical cancer remains unknown. ... the real impact of HPV vaccination on cervical cancer will not be observable for decades." Perhaps they seen the JAMA piece http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/7/795.full?home
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06:33 PM on 12/29/2010
Yeah that's a tough decision - to risk a "serious adverse event" such as a faint after the vaccine, or to risk cancer.
Complete no brainer.
11:27 AM on 12/29/2010
Gardasil has been proclaimed to be 'the most dangerous vaccine on the market":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-U9YRpL348
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12:17 PM on 12/29/2010
Barbara Loe Fisher?
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No wonder you didn't say who did the 'proclaiming'. I just watched part of the video and it has Barbara Loe Fisher talking. I assume that she is doing the 'proclaiming.' Actually, all she is doing is discussing the adverse events that happened after vaccination. I noticed that she doesn't seem to say that there will be an expected level of bad events that occur without vaccination, so the issue is whether there are more bad things that happen after vaccination than without vaccination.

My understanding is that older vaccines such as the current Yellow Fever vaccine has real dangers associated with its use.
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Marsha McClelland
01:17 PM on 12/29/2010
Sheldon you say, "I noticed that she doesn't seem to say that there will be an expected level of bad events that occur without vaccinatio­n, so the issue is whether there are more bad things that happen after vaccinatio­n than without vaccinatio­n."

From past track record we fear & "expect" the harm & deaths will escalate as they have in connection to so many epidemics of disease that have been right in step with the increase in vaccines through the years.

And, if you only watched part of Barbara's video, how in the world would you know if she covered the expected level of anything?
01:41 PM on 12/29/2010
Doctors feel that just because they earned a degree in medicine, that they have the authority to ignore the scientific evidence and impose their "educated stupidity" on uninformed people by relying on their blind faith for their livelihood­. Vaccines harm the immune system (mercury is a neurotoxin­, used as a preservati­ve in vaccines, that harms the central nervous system and the central nervous system controls the immune system). Let's see the science not the mumbo jumbo.
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Sheldon101
sheldon101blog.blogspot.com Wakefield transcripts
11:57 AM on 12/29/2010
Sadly, people die everyday after they get up
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There were very large trials of both Gardasil and Cervarix before they were approved. There were deaths subsequent to vaccination in these trials, as would be expected. The numbers and causes of death were not significantly different between those who got the actual vaccine and those who got the placebo.

Since approval, there have been reported deaths subsequent to vaccination. A study has been made and once again the number and causes of deaths are in line with what would be expected without vaccination.
01:48 PM on 12/29/2010
"There were very large trials of both Gardasil and Cervarix before they were approved." That's interesting, who paid for those studies? Feel free to post any of study trials, otherwise enough with all the talk.
03:32 PM on 12/29/2010
Yes "Sadly, people die everyday after they get up" but they don't need any help from doctors and vaccine manufacturers that promote vaccines with money not health in their best interest. Sadly people are dying everyday from biased information and blatent quackery too!
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Marsha McClelland
01:09 PM on 12/29/2010
Hi Daren. Some don't have Facebook accounts & can't see your link. I came to post that same link you did & see part was that video you posted above that Sheldon tried to discredit. I'll place it at the top of this thread so no one misses it.
01:22 PM on 12/29/2010
I didn't realize that. Thanks!