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01:17 PM on 12/21/2010
So, the tro//s were against it before they were for it?
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yeaobama
jesus was a liberal
01:13 PM on 12/21/2010
THE "GROUCHY OLD POUTERS" AND THEIR ILK ARE FALLING FARTHER BEHIND WHILE A NEW GENERATION OF GLOBAL, TECH SAVVY YOUNG VOTERS WILL BE MUCH MORE PROGRESSIVE.
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yeaobama
jesus was a liberal
12:55 PM on 12/21/2010
I THANK GOD EVERY DAY THAT MCCAIN LOST THE ELECTION!!!
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12:58 PM on 12/21/2010
Sing it!
trish333
Progressivism is the new fascism.
12:58 PM on 12/21/2010
Me too. RINOs are more difficult to remove than liberals.
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Le Facteur 99
Jeremiah was right.
12:55 PM on 12/21/2010
For a candidate to win the Electoral College, he or she must capture 270 points. In 2008, Barack Obama blew out John McCain by a score of 365-173. Using the new Census numbers that are being reported, let's take a look at how the 2012 presidential election would look today if Barack Obama were to lose almost all of the swing states he won in 2008. To illustrate the point, we'll say that in 2012 President Obama loses the following swing states that he won in 2008: Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, and North Carolina.

On top of those losses, we'll subtract the six electoral college points the North lost due to population and add that to the Republican South. What's the final tally? Even if Obama suffered huge losses by being defeated in seven swing states he won in 2008, President Barack Obama would still win against the Republican challenger by a score of 280-258.


http://www.huffi_ngtonpost.com/scott-janssen/president-obamas-2012-pro_b_799243.html
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yeaobama
jesus was a liberal
12:56 PM on 12/21/2010
FANNED!
01:13 PM on 12/21/2010
Life is not static. You fail to consider the independents who will probably not vote Obama next time around. There are enough independants in blue states to sway the election to the right.
trish333
Progressivism is the new fascism.
01:14 PM on 12/21/2010
Exactly.
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yeaobama
jesus was a liberal
01:16 PM on 12/21/2010
I DISAGREE- INDEPENDENTS NUMBERS FOR OBAMA HAVE BEEN RISING.
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12:52 PM on 12/21/2010
With 4 new seats and the republicans in control of the legislature in Texas, don't be surprised if redistricting actually creates more than 4 republican districts.
01:17 PM on 12/21/2010
Hopefully Texas will secede soon.
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bby328
Life is not fair or balanced
01:27 PM on 12/21/2010
Adois . . . Texas :)
01:22 PM on 12/21/2010
Since Tom "the hammer in the slammer haha" Delay has been convicted, the federal government should sue to return Texas to it's 2000 lines. The republicans will have problem redrawing the lines, because that new population we are talking about, just may be more progressives.
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yeaobama
jesus was a liberal
12:50 PM on 12/21/2010
YOUNG VOTERS ARE LARGELY PROGRESSIVE.
THE GOP WILL NOT WITHSTAND THE PROGRESSIVE, YOUNG VOTERS.
THEY ARE THE TECHNOLOGY-GENERATION AND WILL BE STONGLY DEMOCRATIC.
THE PARTY OF"OLD GROUCHY POUTERS" IS ON IT'S WAY OUT.
trish333
Progressivism is the new fascism.
12:52 PM on 12/21/2010
No they're not. That's a myth. They want jobs and a secure future. I have twenty-something sons with friends and most are disillusioned with Obama's change. They've flipped to conservatism.
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yeaobama
jesus was a liberal
12:53 PM on 12/21/2010
WIKILEAKS WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF THE TRANSNATIONALS AND THE GOP.
IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME...
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BuckJ
I read a book once.
12:57 PM on 12/21/2010
Neither jobs nor a secure future are guaranteed by the libertarian branch of the right. In fact, its proponents go out of their way to point this out. (They do claim, however, that opportunities would be plentiful if only people doubled down on chaos in spite of empirical evidence screaming at them to turn back.)

But security...that's not in the playbook.
Deucejack
Stop expecting others to fix your problems.
12:58 PM on 12/21/2010
They are only progressives when they are in college.... once they start getting paychecks, they become more and more conservative.
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yeaobama
jesus was a liberal
01:01 PM on 12/21/2010
FAIL. TECHNOLOGY-AGE YOUNG WILL BE MUCH MORE PROGRESSIVE.
trish333
Progressivism is the new fascism.
01:01 PM on 12/21/2010
Yep. They grow up and realize that the Federal Government does too much taking.
12:49 PM on 12/21/2010
Still..... Better dead than red....
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Foodgrade
Learn to grow banannas
01:05 PM on 12/21/2010
Don't say that so loud. They're working on it. Especially if you're not white.
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TexasTreader
Right of John Wayne
12:47 PM on 12/21/2010
From the article:

"In 2008, President Barack Obama lost in Texas and most of the other states that are gaining House seats. He carried most of the states that are losing House seats, including Ohio and Pennsylvania."

There's a lesson in there somewhere, I think.
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Le Facteur 99
Jeremiah was right.
12:51 PM on 12/21/2010
Texas is one of that last big electoral states solid GOP in Presidential elections, and it's pop boom is a much due to Hispanics
01:39 PM on 12/21/2010
Virginia as well is mostly Republican (if we could just keep the libs from moving in from their fiscal disasterous states)....state had a brain fa*t in 08 but fixed that last year with a republican sweep of the top 3 elected officers of the state and will be solidly red in 2012. "Yes we can" has run its failed course.
12:41 PM on 12/21/2010
States may go right or left because of the water, but probably the people have a lot to do with it.
If the population growth is partly because of African Americans, that's not a sure thing for republicans. More Hispanic people might not mean a red shift, given the fact that the republicans are using the H word like the N word they miss so much. Some southern and southwest growth has always been northerners leaving the cold or job-free zones. All of them might not be reds, though their choice of a new home is suspicious. The bigger problem for democrats is their own lack of purpose (other than their own jobs) and inability to tell all those people in the south and west how they're being used.
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TexasTreader
Right of John Wayne
12:50 PM on 12/21/2010
Democrats don't have a "lack of purpose" We just saw their purpose plain as day and rejected it.
01:41 PM on 12/21/2010
good point...focus on ONE issue is a 'winning' strategy...focus on many issues adds a surefire recipie for confusion/defusion .. its the humanity of the Dems V the ruthlessness of 'win win win' ... niether serves 'we the people' ..but the repubs are shure good at creating wars and division... whilst laughing all the way to thier own private bank...
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
01:31 PM on 12/21/2010
Hispanics tend to vote Republican. Blacks tend to have lower turn-out rates, but do vote Democrat. Poor whites have moved towards Republican; indentifing with their 'higher moral values'...after LBJ & Democratc-sponsored civil rights legislation, the south has shifted to Republican.
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Raymond Strand
12:36 PM on 12/21/2010
In 20 years the Republicans main voting block will be dead. While the Democrats main voting block will be more likely to vote. All the Democrats have to do is do moderately well until then and continue to entrench younger Americans into the Party. Younger Americans tend to not watch Fox News or listen to Radio so they're not getting fed the lies of the older generation.

Really it's just a time game, until younger Americans decide to actually vote on a regular basis.
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12:50 PM on 12/21/2010
So true - the sand on the beach was once rock in the mountains.

This holds true for many things that are divisive issues in our culture - gay rights/marriage, abortion, multi-culturalism, immigration, etc.

Not a wise bet to wager the family farm on the white conservative demographic...
Deucejack
Stop expecting others to fix your problems.
01:00 PM on 12/21/2010
Funny, that's what liberals and progressives have been saying for 50 years. The reality is clear. Young liberals grow up and become conservative when they take a look at their payroll checks and realize that this country is made up of "contributors" and "non-contributors". Eventually they get fed up.
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Raymond Strand
02:50 PM on 12/21/2010
Really you think today the elderly are more Conservative than say 50 years ago. You're operating on some pretty bad assumptions. Overwhelmingly the elderly support the Welfare State to a much larger degree than younger Americans. You'll have to pry Social Security and Medicare from their cold dead hands. The Elderly resist change it doesn't really make them Conservative.

Republicans have been very good at telling old people, that change is bad and scary and will kill them. That's why Old People support the Conservative movement because they're scared shitless. Today people are getting smarter, smarter people aren't going to be fooled by Palin level lies or Glenn Beck hysteria.

The problem with Conservatism is that it's a losing side, the world is changing and the American people change with it. Trying to create some hayday from the past is just not viable and will only lead to progress in the end. Y
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ReagansHeroes
I'm retiring and now reject fiscal conservatism...
12:32 PM on 12/21/2010
Truth is that Republicans are changing the political landscape without the census numbers.

Face it. President Obama in the last few weeks have given us tax cuts and social security tax cuts to stimulate the economy and freezing government wages to slow down government spending. If he says he believes in "Right to Life" he can run on the Republican ticket. Obama/Palin... now that's a dream team.
trish333
Progressivism is the new fascism.
12:35 PM on 12/21/2010
Sorry....Obama's a raging liberal. He's only supporting these policies after getting trounced in the midterms and some arm twisting by the GOP. He's not even close to my idea of a conservative candidate.
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Le Facteur 99
Jeremiah was right.
12:38 PM on 12/21/2010
In spite of what the Phat AM Radio God tells you, Obama is a pretty pragmatic Centrist. That Republican HC law he passed is proof.
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TexasTreader
Right of John Wayne
12:39 PM on 12/21/2010
Agreed. Our hands are full enough getting rid of the RINO's we already have.
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12:57 PM on 12/21/2010
Face it - you people think you're gonna find the future looking in your rear-view mirror.

What you celebrate as a golden age was in fact the beginning of the USA's precipitous decline.

Believe what you like - the numbers don't lie...
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Le Facteur 99
Jeremiah was right.
12:29 PM on 12/21/2010
Democratic candidates won the Latino vote, usually by wide margins. In California's senate race, Democrat Barbara Boxer won 66% of the Latino vote while Republican Carly Fiorina won 31%. In California's gubernatorial race, Democrat Jerry Brown won 63% of California's Latino vote while Republican Meg Whitman won 34%. In Nevada, Latinos supported Democrat Harry Reid over Republican Sharron Angle by a greater than two-to-one margin -- 69% vs. 27%. Latino voters in Arizona, Nevada and Texas similarly supported Democratic candidates over Republican candidates in Senate and gubernatorial races.
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BuckJ
I read a book once.
12:33 PM on 12/21/2010
It's funny too. Bush got somewhere around 40% of the Latino vote.

People may have impugned his intelligence, but he's smarter than whoever is running things now.
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Le Facteur 99
Jeremiah was right.
12:36 PM on 12/21/2010
Yep. 40% is about the threshold for Rep to get in a Presidential election. Under 35% becomes a problem.
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amd02148
04:27 AM on 12/22/2010
It's really funny as well because of all of the voter fraud and tampering with the election results you cant really trust those figures.
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Xenobion
Lord of Cacti
12:29 PM on 12/21/2010
Lets face the facts, there are few inroads states Republicans are converting to help their electoral map. I'd give Republicans probably 2 states that have largely moved to their contingent. Missouri and Florida. Yeah that is a huge chunk of electoral votes, but losing in most every other battle ground state like NV, CO, NM, NC, VA does not fair well for the future.
02:32 PM on 12/21/2010
The facts are that Hispanics are not a group! Cubans are not Mexicans, etc... They also have views that favor legal immigration & are very religious too. I'm not to concerned with your analysis Xenobian. One question! With 42% of population claiming to be conservative & just 20% liberal how are you going to win outside your liberal enclaves?
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Xenobion
Lord of Cacti
02:47 PM on 12/21/2010
My argument would be that moderate democrats would be viable in purple suburban zones, especially in Texas where the state was gerrymandered in 2000 by Trent Lott's bunch. This is not entirely a liberal/conservative argument. Its Republican/Democrat and I expect some many of these once suburban areas to continue to move from red to purple.
12:27 PM on 12/21/2010
HUFFPOST PUNDIT
AnnfromCA 16 minutes ago , 20 minutes ago, 45 minutes ago, 2 days ago, 2 days and 1 hour ago etc, etc, etc.....

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You call these comments thoughtful? You have lost it.
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TexasTreader
Right of John Wayne
12:26 PM on 12/21/2010
In the last 2 years, while liberals were working out with their "Shake-Weights" the Tea Party affected a major shift in American politics. The census only confirms that liberal policies are a lost cause.
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Le Facteur 99
Jeremiah was right.
12:30 PM on 12/21/2010
Highly unlikely. Voters constantly ebb and flow, any student of politics knows that.
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TexasTreader
Right of John Wayne
12:36 PM on 12/21/2010
Feel free to wait around for circumstances to favor you.
12:45 PM on 12/21/2010
So what direction are they now trending??? The rust belt is dying & Obama, Unions and liberals can't change that the new districts will be in red states.
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Ronju01
Live and let Live
12:35 PM on 12/21/2010
Didn't people say in Dec '08, GOP a dead elephant ?
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TexasTreader
Right of John Wayne
12:41 PM on 12/21/2010
Some people say hip-hop is music. So what?