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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
11:05 PM on 12/30/2010
This is a joke!  Jobless benefits applicants were cut off iin December because the Republicans blocked them before Obama made a deal with them to finally extend the benefits.
 
But the extended benefits package was sold to Americans as a bill of goods.  The way that it was sold was that if unemployment was over 8,5% in a state, then the long term unemployed would be able to draw 99 weeks of unemployment.  That's not true!  When you actually call the Dept of Labor in DC and  insist on the truth, they will tell you that.
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thegr8red
Train by day Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All Day.
11:10 PM on 12/30/2010
Yup. f&f
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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
11:12 PM on 12/30/2010
thegr8red,
 
Thanks for the fan.  Right back at ya!
 
Are  you one that stopped receiving benefits before 99 weeks?
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
01:40 PM on 12/31/2010
What state does your daughter live in? If she is in a low unemployment state, less than 8%, she will unfortunately only qualify for the 72 weeks. She won't get Tier IV or EB. This may also be affected by how much money she made before she was unemployed.
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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
02:09 PM on 12/31/2010
Molly,
 
Tennessee is not a low unemployment state.  She was on Tier IV. 
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Gin1234
10:28 PM on 12/30/2010
Although these numbers are supposed to be seasonally adjusted, I can't help but think that there were a lot of temp jobs around Christmas and that those jobs are impacting the rates.  It seems to happen this way every year.
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JeffreyGold
Senator Jeffrey Gold (I)
10:18 PM on 12/30/2010
Opening quote: "Far fewer people are applying for unemployment benefits as the year ends, raising hopes for a healthier job market in 2011."

No no non no no no no no no no no no no AND NO!

(Gotta be honest: I stopped reading the article after the first unsavory line.)

They're not counting how many people are applying. They're counting how many people are eligible. Big difference.

Since most people have probably lost their UI benefits, there would be less people applying (and they would know if they are eligible or not).

Can you say: INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST?

Anything to make it look like the economy is recovering. Haven't they been saying this was a jobless recovery?

Just because people are not on UI, does not mean they have jobs (as they are attempting to imply).

LIARS!!!
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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
11:08 PM on 12/30/2010
Jeffrey,
 
Agreed! 
 
The long term unemployed are not getting the 99 weeks of unemployment that they were promised in this last round of extensions either, so when a lot of people lost their benefits in Dec., they are no longer elibible.  So, just like the 99ers, there are people that didn't get 99 weeks that are dropping from the rolls too.
09:40 PM on 12/30/2010
Sounds like xmas hiring...as soon as that all goes away will come the sad news that things are still in the dumper...but nice try on the happy talk...
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davidpkronmiller
09:39 PM on 12/30/2010
why is news like this never really highlighted? Why is this not a banner today? Seems like good news.
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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
11:10 PM on 12/30/2010
david,
 
It's not good news.  It's also not the truth. 
 
This last unemployment extension was sold to us that the long term unemployed would receive 99 weeks of benefits, but the 99ers would not receive anything.  That's not true!  Many lost their benefits and are not getting the 99 weeks.
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davidpkronmiller
12:22 AM on 12/31/2010
i think  you're confused. (or i am confused by your reply)

there was no extension for people who already hit their 99 weeks. none.

the program itself, for newly unemployed people or those who haven't hit the 99, was extended for another 13 months.that was the deal.and i would think it will take a few weeks to kick into effect like all of the UI changes these past two years have. (i was unemployed for a year and a quarter - been working now since april and feeling very confident about the future)

so relax - those who are eligible will get their UI benefits.

the reality is we need to retrain our work force after allowing clinton and bush both to ship so many jobs over seas - iphones should be made here and our call centers should be here not in india. we need new industry and new industry will take years to create new jobs. that's the harsh reality. obama can do little to change that.
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James Leo
09:34 PM on 12/30/2010
Where are these jobs coming from? Manufacturing No, Research and Development No,
Where are the jobs coming from? Health Care? No Then where
Does John Boehner and the GOP think we can have a country where everyone either works at WALMART and tries to earn extra selling AMWAY and/or AVON ? Seriously think about this
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sdesign
12:11 AM on 12/31/2010
You wash my car, I'll pay you 5 bucks.
I'll mow your lawn, you pay me 5 bucks.
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Vell, he's just zis guy, you know?
08:41 PM on 12/30/2010
The news is NOT great. The numbers are only the new unemployment apps (380,000 newly unemployed workers in a WEEK!!!!!) They don't account for the people (15.1 million) still on unemployment. Nor do they account for people who have simply given up (i.e. households cut to one income rather than two). Nor does this "great news" express the fact that many of the unemployed have gone back to work at much lower paying jobs and/or lost benefits because they had no other choice - DO YOU GET IT NOW? New jobs are not being created here in the US. We no longer manufacture or export in significant quantities. Get used to doing more with less Middle Class - the scraps trickling down from the financiers up on high.
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davidpkronmiller
09:44 PM on 12/30/2010
I was unemployed for a year and a quarter. I got a job last April finally and still have it today. It was meant to be temporary and has turned into a well paying regular job. I am now making more than I was before I was laid off (not much but some).

Now my wife is out of work again but she did have a few months of employment. Most of my friends who were unemployed have jobs - not all perfect true but jobs nonetheless - and the prospects are much better. For example my wife has gotten a few interviews where a year ago you were lucky to get an email response let alone an interview for the few jobs that did exist. there are more job postings now than a year ago.

Why is it taking so long for the unemployment level to drop? Because it's taking a while for it to drop. We allowed tons of good jobs to be shipped overseas thanks to the last two administrations (Bush and Clinton) and we are now paying a price for that (and our cheap iPods).

I have hope. Would be nice to see people spread the hope a bit more rather than just the doom and gloom.
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LeftLeanWing
Do I Have to be Nice ?
08:09 PM on 12/30/2010
THIS IS GREAT NEWS !

but it's buried deep and NOT on the MAIN PAGE.

Guess there's nothing here to Bash Obama on.... on Make Fun of a Teabagger, huh ?

I'm I the only one noticing this Trend ?______________

There was story out two weeks ago from BLOOMBERG 
Titled: U.S. CEOs in Survey Are Most Optimistic Since 2006
          By Alex Kowalski - Dec 14, 2010 10:30 AM ET

Optimism among U.S. chief executives in the fourth quarter rose to the highest level since the start of 2006 as business leaders projected increased sales, investment and hiring, a private survey showed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-14/chief-executives-in-u-s-are-the-most-optimistic-since-2006-survey-shows.html

But you won't find it here ...  for the aforementioned reasons.......
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JeffreyGold
Senator Jeffrey Gold (I)
10:21 PM on 12/30/2010
Chief executives will be the last to fire themselves before they turn off the lights, shutter the windows, and turn over the keys to the new landlords.

Optimistic?

Phoooey!
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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
11:19 PM on 12/30/2010
Wing,
 
Because it is not great news.  It is not telling the truth.
 
I supported extending the Bush tax cuts because I supported help for the long term unemployed.  We were told that the bill would allow the long term unemployed 99 weeks of benefits.  That's not true.
 
My daughter is at 72 weeks.  The state office told her that her benefits were finished.  I didn't believe them because that is not the way that Obama was selling the bill.  I called the Labor Dept in DC, and when you press them, they will admit that was not the case.
 
If my daughter was cut off the unemployment roll at 72 weeks, then others were too.  That's why the numbers are falling, and there is no help out there for them.
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LeftLeanWing
Do I Have to be Nice ?
04:59 AM on 12/31/2010
The number of weeks of eligibility is determined by the claimant's earnings during their Base Period up to 99 weeks.
08:08 PM on 12/30/2010
I think people ran out of unemployment. Where are the jobs? Humm, bix box stores and such.
I see more and more automation daily.
The elite have to understand that people have to have money to buy goods. None are too interested in taking out loans or credit cards for 200%.
China tells their citizens to buy gold, our politicans and elite tell us to go on credit to buy 3rd world crape.
Humm, guess that may be why the country is divided and why people feel they have no cause or reason to protect the myth of freedom.
07:33 PM on 12/30/2010
I heard there will be lots of job openings in 2011 if you are willing to relocate to China and work for 50 cents a day.
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500 a
PATRIOTS AGAINST THE PATRIOT ACT !!!
07:38 PM on 12/30/2010
And three bowls of rice a day.
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LeftLeanWing
Do I Have to be Nice ?
08:10 PM on 12/30/2010
and a tuna head.
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08:47 PM on 12/30/2010
and will lose your weight and look fabulous when return to America. I swear.
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scionfox
WINNING
07:16 PM on 12/30/2010
The reason jobless claims has dropped is because you must earn income to file for unemployment. Many are still unemployed; however, ineligible because they did not earn money in the base period.
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Bados
I love Sarah Palin. No wait...I love parasailing.
07:12 PM on 12/30/2010
So what does good news look like? I mean its obviously impossible for this administration to be associated with positive sentiment at this point.

What exactly do hardcore progressives want? He should focus on jobs. OK you get a positive job report and you guys break out the list of why it's not a positive job report. No I'm not saying Obama just lowered the jobless rate but the fact is claims dropped. Somehow under Obama this is suddenly a bad thing.

The way this report comes together isnt a new practice Obama created. Those same concerns you now express have always been there.
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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
11:22 PM on 12/30/2010
Bados,
 
Because this isn't what good news looks like.  It is not true. 
 
I supported extending the Bush tax cuts because I supported help for the long term unemployed­.  We were told that the bill would allow the long term unemployed 99 weeks of benefits.  That's not true.
 
My daughter is at 72 weeks.  The state office told her that her benefits were finished.  I didn't believe them because that is not the way that Obama was selling the bill.  I called the Labor Dept in DC, and when you press them, they will admit that was not the case.
 
If my daughter was cut off the unemployme­nt roll at 72 weeks, then others were too.  That's why the numbers are falling, and there is no help out there for them
11:34 PM on 12/30/2010
I'm a hard core progressive. I'd love to see him resign and have someone competent - if we can find anyone left - take over. I'd love to see him start listening to people like Paul Krugman rather than swine like Larry Summers and the Goldman Sachs cabal.
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Bados
I love Sarah Palin. No wait...I love parasailing.
01:11 AM on 12/31/2010
LOL "Im a hard core progressive" sorry that just sounds funny. Anyway you already outed yourself as kinda loony by saying Obama isnt competent.
Doing as you say when you say it isnt the metric use to measure his level of competence. I would say accomplishments are a better measure wouldnt you agree?

How would that resignation go? " I know I have the most legislative accomplishments of any president in recent history but part of the left doesnt like me so I'm gonna just quit." LOL

I'm a big Krugman fan and dont like Larry or the Goldman mafia. Somehow. being a rational human being, I think there's a happy medium between not listening to them an having the president just up and quit throwing the world into a tizzy.

You would rather see that happen than be led by Obama. I'm guessing thats the real issue.
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Trepasky
Sanity is neither free nor easy
06:45 PM on 12/30/2010
Interesting, a drop in folks filing new claims. Sounds great, now if only there were jobs being created.
The article hopes that 100,000-150,000 jobs per month will be created in early 2011.
Normal population growth (kids out of school) is 150,000-160,000 per month. To really add jobs, we need, at least 450,000 per month created. We would get the unemployment down to 4% from 9.8% by 2014, assuming no one between now and then get's laid off.
If we use the number of new claims this past week of 400,000 (who recently lost their jobs) as an average, then we would have to have at least 550,000 jobs/month just for them and the new people entering the work force. Result: the number of unemployed/not-employed (kids, 99ers, 26ers, etc) will increase if we only add 550,000 per month. The average 2010 was 87,000 per month about 1/2 of what is needed just for population growth, and not even making a dent in the unemployed!
Until the new unemployment claims drop below 100,000-150,000 and we are adding 500,000 jobs a month, The 15,000,000 will not shrink. When you add the people who have given up looking or are under-employed, the actual number is above 22,000,000 and is estimated to be about 22% of employable Americans.
So while this article paints a rosy picture, we really have to wait to see how Jan and Feb do, before we should get too excited.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
06:04 PM on 12/30/2010
I am a 99r since last June. Still unemployed. Credit utterly destroyed (see maigrey's comment below). Still filing just in case but I know it's a lost cause with the new Repub congress coming in (thank you all who didn't vote because you are p'd off at the Dems). If I quit filing, it will be another drop in the unemp numbers, never mind that I will still be unemployed. Many others have probably just given up altogether as I am considering. Millions more are underemployed.

The unemployment "indicators" are an outrageous farce. Thank God I have some, tho not adequate monthly SS and help from my sons. I don't know how others not yet eligible for SS survive but I get a clue every time I see them languishing at Salvation Army.

Wake up America. We're in serious trouble.
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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
11:24 PM on 12/30/2010
Soulmentor,
 
I am sorry about your situation.  At least you  got to draw 99 weeks.  I'm also glad to know that your state will still let you apply.  Sadly a lot of states won't
 
I supported extending the Bush tax cuts because I supported help for the long term unemployed­.  We were told that the bill would allow the long term unemployed 99 weeks of benefits.  That's not true.
 
My daughter is at 72 weeks.  The state office told her that her benefits were finished.  I didn't believe them because that is not the way that Obama was selling the bill.  I called the Labor Dept in DC, and when you press them, they will admit that was not the case.
 
If my daughter was cut off the unemployme­nt roll at 72 weeks, then others were too.  That's why the numbers are falling, and there is no help out there for them
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
07:02 PM on 12/31/2010
Thank you, tho I am better off than many. I hope better for 2011 but I fear worse. Good luck to you and every HP reader.
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anafreeka
05:53 PM on 12/30/2010
Many people are not counted in unemployment figures. Some are students (as I am) or have stopped looking for the elusive job.