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HLL
The way of truth & love has always won ~ Gandhi
03:13 PM on 02/11/2011
Re-post for anyone who might like to add their signature ☆ ☮

PETITION started by Senators Kristen Gilibrand and Barbara Boxer ~

STOP HR 3: PROTECT WOMEN'S HEALTH
http://www.stophr3.com/?source=bb
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gleitz05
Old people are allowed to be cranky.
03:27 PM on 02/11/2011
Thanks so much for putting this on here, HLL. I signed as soon as I saw this. And faved. Already a fan!
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HLL
The way of truth & love has always won ~ Gandhi
03:43 PM on 02/11/2011
Most welcome. Good on ya fer signing. We are mutual fans! :) ☮
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samidean
03:32 PM on 02/11/2011
Thanks HLL.  I just signed this petition and the one over at moveon.  I'll sign every one that I find.  F&F
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HLL
The way of truth & love has always won ~ Gandhi
03:48 PM on 02/11/2011
YW, samid. Thanks for signing this one and alerting me to the MoveOn one!! Fav'd from an already fan ☮

For anyone interested in the MoveOn PETITION, here it is:

Stop the GOP war on women's health:
http://pol.moveon.org/backalley/
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cgeorgan
Proud American-Canadian Libertarian
03:09 PM on 02/11/2011
I would like to separate what the "Christian" view of abortion rights are (or lack thereof), versus what true conservatives think.

Christians want to ban abortion because they believe in mythology.  Some dude, allegedly a long time ago, said something about this.  The same dude who convinced them about the story of a girl who got pregnant and blamed an angel so she wouldn't get stoned by her village.

Conservatives, on the other hand, simply do not view it as a good strategy when contentious issues like this are settled "on high" by judicial fiat.  Conservatives have no problem with abortion rights (I'm a huge supporter myself) - they just want to see the laws passed by the states, where they believe such power resides.

Thus, if the backwardated individuals of Kansas want to pass Irish-style laws eliminating contraception and making abortion illegal, then it's only a matter of time before sane and rational people move from Kansas to a more friendly state.  That is how the mechanism works - a mechanism set forth explicitly by the Constitution.
03:31 PM on 02/11/2011
So by your reasoning slavery is a state-rights issue?
04:20 PM on 02/11/2011
Nope. If you want to pass a constitutional amendment saying "Abortion is a right! Suck it losers!", go ahead. That's what we did with slavery.

When you want to change the document that we all agreed to live by you get everyone to agree to the change (or at least the mandated percentages). You don't ask 9 folks in robes to do what they think is best for you. Their job is to read what we wrote and figure out what it means. It isn't to decide what we deserve and write it in between the lines.
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baileywick
04:34 PM on 02/11/2011
Some people reasoned abolition was redistribution of wealth before that phrase existed.
( From the slave owner to the slave ) They actually argued that.
03:55 PM on 02/11/2011
Laws that promote equality should not be determined by each state and the thought is scary. The Constitution was written by white men in a time that no longer exists, which is why conservatives want it to be as it was. It promotes their personal interests.

As women, we haven't even had the right to vote for 100 years, a privilege white men have always had in the U.S. If it wasn't for federal laws forcing states (conservative) to recognize equality, the south would still have slaves and women couldn't vote.

"That is how the mechanism works - a mechanism set forth explicitly by the Constituti­on."

I disagree with this statement. Prior to the Civil War, the south also believed this. States are not mini-countries. States have the flexibility to determine how they will comply to Federal regulations, but they do not have the right to disregard Federal Laws.
04:24 PM on 02/11/2011
States are mini-countries. We have a system of dual-sovereignty. Also, like the poster above, you're confusing the OP's sentiment-

We changed the text of the constitution to abolish slavery, and we changed the text of the constitution to give women the vote.

In order to get abortion rights, the Supreme Court read the 14th Amendment and decided that it guaranteed them. Consider the difference.

If you want the decision out of the States' hands what you should be doing is using the democratic process to convince people to agree with you- that's the idea that has bound our country together for 230 years. You shouldn't be letting our decisions be made for us by 9 folks wearing robes.
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baileywick
04:37 PM on 02/11/2011
Read above post.
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CptKendrick
03:06 PM on 02/11/2011
Every sperm is scacred, every sperm is great, and if a sperm is wasted, The Flying Spaghetti Monster uses Parmesan cheese instead!
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02:42 PM on 02/11/2011
Women make up over half the population of the United States. If they are going to sit idly by while their rights are being taken away, so be it. Some of them actually vote along with the men aganist their best interest.
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samidean
02:57 PM on 02/11/2011
Don't worry Mike, us women are not going to do that.  There are already marches being planned and we will not let this happen.  If we do march, we hope that many of you men, who care about the women in your life and their rights, are right there marching with us.  My hope is that the Dems, like Nancy ,keep this issue alive in the media, because the more it is, the angrier women are going to get.
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03:24 PM on 02/11/2011
Good for you samidean. It's time women stand up for themselves and stop voting for politicians who are not working for their best interest. You have the power and it's time to use it. You have my support 100%!
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deltalady
03:45 PM on 02/11/2011
I'm still saddened that so many women chose a man over a woman in the last election. At my age I would have loved to have seen the 1st woman president, and Obama could have come right behind her. But it doesn't seem that we women are able to stick together like these grouchy old white men do. I appreciate his putting two women on the Supreme Court. But we need more to protect us. Young women just have no idea what the old days were like. They take for granted so much we've achieved in having so over our own bodies, in creating opportunities, that only a couple a generations ago, were just pipe dreams. Young women...don't be complacent. Stop texting for a moment and reflect on what you may lose.
04:00 PM on 02/11/2011
I agree with you. Watching Palin, Bachmann and O'Donnel promote conservative views is very disappointing. I wish more women would take interest into current events and think for themselves versus taking their husband's opinion.
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marco01
02:39 PM on 02/11/2011
I'm a liberal who struggles with abortion. The argument is that it is a woman's body and therefore her right to choose. At what point does the fetus become "its own body"? In other words, when is the point reached when what you have is another body existing in the woman's body, or is this point only reached after actual birth? This is a seeming contradiction. For example, a fetus could be considered part of the woman's body two days before birth, but two days after a full independent person. Logic dictates that in reality the two times mentioned are really no different as far as the fetus is concerned.
 
When considering a zygote, it is clear that that is just a collection of cells at that point. But shortly after, a person is forming. The whole question of where to draw the line seems like a very tricky one.
02:50 PM on 02/11/2011
Not tricky at all. You aren't entitled to use a woman's reproductive organs when she objects, and neither is anyone else.

Women are people. I think that's the sticking point for a lot of the "confused" folks who "struggle" with the issue. They just haven't grasped that concept yet, or they don't want to accept it.
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marco01
03:01 PM on 02/11/2011
So you are saying that abortion is legitimate for any reason on the choice of the mother right up to birth?
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marco01
03:33 PM on 02/11/2011
Of course women are people. But you don't think the fetus is a person until it exits the womb?
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03:28 PM on 02/11/2011
The whole point marco is to let women make the decision for themselves.
04:38 PM on 02/11/2011
Why? We don't let people make individual moral decisions all the time. We don't let people engage the services of prostitutes, or marry multiple wives. We don't let people take a wide variety of drugs. We don't let people commit suicide (if we can stop them). We don't let people kill elderly parents, partially or wholly dependent on their children. We don't let people ride motorcycles without helmets.

We restrict people's choices in all sorts of ways, and in some cases very personal ways. Sometimes these restrictions are based on morality. Why, then, is it okay for every state in the country to say that if I love two women (or two men), I can't marry both because it is against public morals, yet the state -cannot- restrict a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy?

It's a weird argument to say that we shouldn't make laws because people have some amorphous right to decide moral questions themselves. A huge portion of our laws exist to enforce community morality on the individual.
02:35 PM on 02/11/2011
So, are these people going to try to force the fathers of these babies to be involved in their lives? I mean, if they're going to force the women to have the babies, it's only fair. How come no one ever brings that up? I swear, these people are insane. We need to get them out of office.
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samidean
03:03 PM on 02/11/2011
Republicans only believe that us women should have personal responsibility where children are concerned.  They have done nothing for years to go after fathers who abandon their children, and they never will.  That too is the woman's problem.  In their eyes we are the ones that need to hunt them down and force them to pay for their children, but of course they forget that it takes lots of money to be able to do that.  Even when a state tracks them down and garnishes their wages, they just quit that job and disappear again.  Republicans see men as first class citizens and us women as second class.  They always have, and they always will.
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Paluxy Moon
04:34 PM on 02/11/2011
Right, entitled men want women to take care of all the things they don't want to be bothered with, like raising the children, taking care of the household and all the little details of keeping a family together and a household running. That way, they can run the world and do whatever they want to do. Oh, but she does need to be able to bring home a paycheck, though she gets no kudos for her career and no say over how her paycheck is spent. Men want to control women, period. Though some have evolved past that, I think it must be some kind of instinctive drive in them.
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02:08 PM on 02/11/2011
I am against subsidizing big oil with my tax dollars - yet I don't have the ability to make those stipulations on what government can do - but all these anti-women rights groups seem to think they can select and pick what they want to do with my money.

Lobbiest - politicians - religious nuts - and no - I didn't vote in any of the "voices" in Washington that "represent" me.
02:05 PM on 02/11/2011
libs just love to snuff out life ! Why is that ?
02:10 PM on 02/11/2011
Daschund Dear, no one loves to snuff out life. Ask a soldier...
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02:38 PM on 02/11/2011
Fanned ☮
02:11 PM on 02/11/2011
I believe that question belongs to conservatives?
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coloradoanimallover
Leftover hippie
02:04 PM on 02/11/2011
These guys make the Puritans look like fans of Caligula.
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02:04 PM on 02/11/2011
I always find it ironic how the Republicans are so anti-abortion anti-womens rights - but don't want to be part of any soical / medical / health care / education reform that would help out all the women who have all the "babies" without any ability to finanically care for them - Where is the compassion, family values and religious zealots when it comes to helping the women raise, educate and feed their childern.

Oh yeah - that's right - that's the Democrats problem.
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tinkr55
Craving truth
03:54 AM on 02/12/2011
@HKB

Great post!
F & F!
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stargazer13
To Love One Is To Love All
01:56 PM on 02/11/2011
I been taken to the pen :(
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stargazer13
To Love One Is To Love All
01:54 PM on 02/11/2011
Jobs GOP Job,s

not to be confused with redefining rape and abortion !

after all our nation settled this argument years ago !!
Get Over It !!

Ms Pelosi

when you stand up and say repeal the P-Act then I will be more inclined to believe you care about women,s right ,s
01:52 PM on 02/11/2011
How melodramatic Nancy. Kinda hypocritical coming from a devout Catholic.
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samidean
01:56 PM on 02/11/2011
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lisalulu
I stand for Planned Parenthood.
01:59 PM on 02/11/2011
No - Nancy knows the impact these bills will have on women. Her religious beliefs are hers - not everyones. Something the 3 stooges who proferred up these stupid bills don't get.
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Paluxy Moon
01:49 PM on 02/11/2011
I happen to be very familiar with how some of the evangelical maternity homes operate, and the whole operation is often setup to get as many babies into adoption as possible. Though some operate under the highest ethical standards, I've seen otherwise.

Babies are worth a lot of money. Though such organizations state at the outset that the birth mother has the right to choose whether to raise her child or give it up for adoption, the programs are set up to strongly encourage the birth mother to place the child up for adoption, almost to the point that she has no choice. That is, she is offered aftercare and a place to live rent-free if she puts the baby up for adoption, whereas she's out on the street if she chooses to keep it. The sad reality is that many teenage girls are cast out by their families when they become pregnant, even in this day and age and even in middle class families. And without a support system she really has no choice but to place the baby up for adoption.
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lisalulu
I stand for Planned Parenthood.
01:56 PM on 02/11/2011
So if you want "assistance" you have to give up your baby in advance? If not - your SOL. I guess that is why, more now than ever, the compassionate non-profits and no-nonsense health care provided by PP and similar clinics are needed!

On an unrelated note but just as evil: How about foster kids - who graduate out of the program at 18 - dumped on the streets with no family, no funds for education - nada!

Hey Neocons - why not help out these young adults - who clearly need the family values and some financial assistance to at least have a chance - - -- - - - - -
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samidean
02:19 PM on 02/11/2011
The righties just ridicule those very young adults, for having to resort to selling themselves on the street to stay alive after being kicked out of those foster homes at 18.
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seehowtheyrun
Without music, life would be a mistake
02:04 PM on 02/11/2011
Good points. I never even thought of the money angle. Gross.
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morgansher
just disgusted in general
02:23 PM on 02/11/2011
Adoptions are expensive. Childless couples will pay tens of thousands of dollars to get a baby... especially if it is white and free of defects.
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lisalulu
I stand for Planned Parenthood.
01:42 PM on 02/11/2011
Democratic Secularism Explodes in Egypt . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . .

while on the other side of the world, American Tealiban puts forth three overreaching discriminatory
bills to limit a woman's access to well-trained medical providers and an abortion tax.

GOP: Wake up and quit dissing women, PP, Title X and all health providers that provide compassionate care to women.