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ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
10:07 AM on 03/01/2011
I was a software engineer since 1972. Author acknowledges that unions are inappropriate for "knowledge workers" like me. To me, it's patronizing to suggest otherwise for workers of "lesser" jobs. It's like saying "unions are great for plebes, but not for smart people like me." I think if the computer industry had been union, the US would be a backwater instead of leading the world.

I could never work within a union, and I extend same right to others. I am not better than the working class, they are not children who need unions to take care of them. If they want unions, great, but don't tell us that unions are good for us, even when members join unwillingly, must join union so they can teach. Please don't tell me that's a good system, because I know many MA teachers who disagree.
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04:53 PM on 03/01/2011
I'm with you. My relationship with my employer is no one else's business.

Faved.
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lisalulu
I stand for Planned Parenthood.
10:01 AM on 03/01/2011
Thanks for the article. It is amazing how much dis-information is out there about Unions/public employees. This is all part of a deliberate attempt to cast as villians ordinary working people and extraordinary working people: our teachers, our police & firefighters.
10:39 AM on 03/01/2011
Great piece--and reference to MoveOn.org complements Tom Hayes' blog today about the power of social media to organize workers of all types
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Pogo Bock
Not dead.
10:42 AM on 03/01/2011
Well said. Republicans got away with villainizing welfare recipients in the '90s, and now they've made public unions their boogeyman. Seems like they've always got to make us afraid of something.
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09:56 AM on 03/01/2011
It's not just about 'collective bargaining' the root cause of this ongoing crisis is the economy was destroyed by Wall Street.

Even many of the 'professional' jobs out there are not productive and at best adds services that are needed but cannot drive the economy in of itself.

FIRE (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate) as a driver for the economy is unsustainable.

Rebuilding America's infrastructure and investments in MASSIVE water and energy projects will put people back to work in 'productive' jobs that will provide a rich tax-base to support vital civil services.
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lisalulu
I stand for Planned Parenthood.
10:02 AM on 03/02/2011
So true - when the FIRE sectors comprised 40% of GDP - unsustainable.

We need actual physical jobs to re-build our infrastructures.

I believe the lack of vision on the part of capital is due to thirty years of making money off of money or other people's money - MBA fill in the dots can't think beyond dots, $$$. Liberal education gives you critical thinking skills - big picture. MBAs and money changers are Shorts.
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traceymarie
the President is black, deal with it
09:52 AM on 03/01/2011
In the Houston Chronicle today a citizen wrote a letter to the editor....."when Union promises(not sure what he means) go sour, taxes from the wealthy and corporations get to baill them out." I could go on with all the things that are wrong and startling about this sentence, but it is sufficent to just say...wow, really
09:41 AM on 03/01/2011
Amusing. When Obama did the exact same thing passing bill after countless bill not even giving people the time nor courtesy to read them the Democrats rallied under the mandate battle cry. Now that the Republicans are acting identically with their "mandate" in Wisconsin, the Democrats wish to cry foul? I am neither Republican nor Democrat, but laugh at the hypocrisy of both sides.
11:14 AM on 03/01/2011
Yes could you imagine the bush shoving a bill thru against the majority like obama did with obamacare? It's just a matter of who's doing the forcing, not principle, or honest representation.
11:24 AM on 03/01/2011
I agree with the intent of the post, but Obama proposed legislatoin, he cannot pass it anymore than Walker can. You are correct, the Republicans abided by the election and didn't run just because they lost.
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usna73
We are all in this together
09:24 AM on 03/01/2011
Ms. Dean, step back from the keyboard and lead people into the streets. It will take a "general strike" kind of environment for the solidarity you properly suggest to be felt.

Twitter is a tool that both sides can employ. The question is will people "act" on what they learn.
11:25 AM on 03/01/2011
The problem is that unions represent a small minority of people in America and most disagree that unions make their life better no matter how much libs keep repeating it.
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11:59 AM on 03/01/2011
"It will take a "general strike" kind of environmen­t for the solidarity you properly suggest to be felt."

This is precisely why FDR was wary of public sector unions:

"Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=15445

Public unions are a logical and economic absurdity. They should never have been allowed. Collective bargaining against the taxpayers? Ridiculous.
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usna73
We are all in this together
03:30 PM on 03/01/2011
You are comparing apples with oranges. The FDR comment is taken completely out of context, as well.

You have done the same thong with your conclusion. This is typical of someone who only seeks to shape a narrative after they have a preordained a conclusion.

Collective bargaining is a method of reaching a fair outcome ( on global or all encompassing issues that surrounds one's work). Against the taxpayers? That's ridiculous.

Elected officials at the state level in nearly half the states take no issue with collective bargaining rights. Those are the best places to live. That's no coincidence.

The issues of give backs and concessions on pensions are things agreed upon by BOTH sides. How do explain that? The union isn't a suicide pact.

I know it hurts the RW, but take a good long look at Western Europe. Instead of the caricatures painted by the RW, they have a better quality of live in most countries. They have a broader middle class and a better safety net. They have been deregulating required unionization in Germany, but nobody would even think of modeling America.
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CanComment
Professor of Media and Journalism
09:09 AM on 03/01/2011
I wish this could be read by every working person! It is a little piece of elegantly-expressed and carefully-reasoned commentary.
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cornel
wuf wuf
10:37 AM on 03/01/2011
According to an Idaho state of the state address, one in five high school graduates in the United States cannot read their own diploma. http://www.search.com/reference/Graduates_who_cannot_read_their_diplomas.
How do you expect them to understand what is at stake ! Nice article, should be put in a clip (cartoon if possible) and uploaded to YouTube !
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RUKidding0
Freedom is Fundamental
12:39 PM on 03/01/2011
It is partisan rationalization for the rent seeking thievery that the entirely unsustainable unfunded debt the collusion between public employee unions and the Democrat Party has wrought and nothing more.
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CanComment
Professor of Media and Journalism
01:05 PM on 03/01/2011
Bosh and fiddlesticks!