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AZreb
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08:48 AM on 03/11/2011
Can we hope that someone in our own government will read this article? Probably not - too many hard facts and figures.

One thing not noted and should be - the human smuggling by these cartels is a major money-maker for them. Some will pay up to $15,000 to be smuggled into the U.S. - but many are then robbed, the women raped and some left to die in the deserts. If they do make it into the U.S., they are kept in drop houses and many times are held for ransom.

Just another way for the cartels to make money.
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reviewingthesituation
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08:44 AM on 03/11/2011
There are just too many unanswered questions here, and I'm willing to try just about anything. What we're doing just isn't working.

I thought one of the reasons for the increased violence was greater competition for ess lucrative markets. I read that drug lords already have extended their activities into other vices as a result. How does taking marijuana out of the picture decrease the competition for what remains? Doesn't it just squeeze the water-filled balloon and, maybe, shift the water around a little?

It seems inaccurate to say law enforcement doesn't work when it's never actually been tried. Corruption, apparently, is so rife it undermines and counteracts whatever legitimate law enforcement efforts are taking place. On the other hand, if we can't keep drugs out of prisons, the most contained, controlled environments in our country, how can we expect ever to control the flow over highways and rivers and open countryside?
03:50 PM on 03/11/2011
Well for one legalizing MJ would do what the article says. It would allow Law Enforcement to divert funds used to fight it to more pressing matters and harder substances.

It would also stop criminalizing 'otherwise law abiding citizens'. The cartels would find other means of 'work'. Of course, but right now they make millions/billions from MJ when that could all be grown in the US/taxed and the US would make the profit. Some of which could go into fighting human trafficking.
So not only would we be not wasting that money/time/effort would would be able to use it as a tool to fight the real corruption.
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reviewingthesituation
Southern liberal feminist
05:23 PM on 03/11/2011
Except, I don't know of any drug enforcement missions that focus on marijuana -- it's usually an add-on when other, harder drugs are targeted -- and you'd have to be in possession of a whole heap of marijuana, like a bale of the stuff, to get arrested nowadays.

I don't know of anyone incarcerated only because of marijuana. I agree it should be decriminalized, but I doubt it would free up a lot of money and law enforcement manpower.
07:31 AM on 03/11/2011
Thank you for this meticulously researched report on Mexico! As we focus on the Middle East, the next failed state may be just across our southern border. Nice job!!!
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AZreb
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08:37 AM on 03/11/2011
fanned - this is a good look at the corruption in the Mexican government - and its army and the police units.

ELEVEN THOUSAND law enforcement in Ciudad Juarez and still the killings go on and on and on. We are throwing our tax dollars down the black hole of corruption in Mexico. With only 2% of those charged for drug crimes going to trial, that should be a red flag.
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04:05 PM on 03/11/2011
And also, the corruption is in the US government and local police, who prefer to manage the narco problem, not to face it. Who can believe that the last arresting of 500 people related to narco activites was spontaneous. The US agencies known about them, and did nothing for a lot of time. They had to wait for a US agent killed to do something. Sorry, but your heroic cops and bureaucracy are also as corrupts as mexicans in this topic.
06:34 AM on 03/11/2011
"to legalize the production, sale, taxation and consumption of marijuana.....
in CAMDEN, NJ....!
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iblogleft
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07:40 PM on 03/10/2011
"The assumption that punishing suppliers and users can effectively combat a large market for illicit drugs has proven to be utterly false. Rather, prohibition bestows enormous profits on traffickers, criminalizes otherwise law-abiding users and addicts, and imposes enormous costs on society. Meanwhile, there has been no real effect on the availability of drugs or their consumption."

Those are facts.

Too bad facts mean nothing in this country anymore.
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dbrett480
07:10 PM on 03/10/2011
The problem with coming up with an efficient drug control strategy is that we don't know who is corrupt and who isn't in the Mexican government. It does no good to cooperate with their law enforcement agencies if they work for the cartels.
07:40 PM on 03/10/2011
There is no efficient strategy to come up with. Abolition proved that. The minute there is a market for an illegal substance you lose your ability to control it with law enforcement. You can pay them 10 times the salary they get and they will still take a hand full of cash when they can get one for not enforcing the law. The only solution is legalization followed by regulation and taxation.
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Cory111
Life is truly good...
08:32 PM on 03/10/2011
But we do know who is using the drugs. I'm all for legalizing pot, just that simple. I understand our country consumes more illegal drugs then any other country. Maybe we might be well advised to see why this is, what is the reason behind using these drugs.
Have a nice evening.
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fumes
Old black water, keep on rollin'
06:48 PM on 03/10/2011
it took Wikileaks to bring this out in the open? How embarrassing!
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THREE PRESIDENTS ..

and TWO WISE GUYS..

say LEGALIZE:

"Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."
~ George Washington

"Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use... Therefore, I support legislatio n amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana."
~ Jimmy Carter

"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."
~ Albert Einstein

"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world." ~Carl Sagan
http://www.veryimportantpotheads.com/
06:17 PM on 03/10/2011
There is an alternative to legalilzation: Socialization of drugs will destroy the economic incentive to create more users. Measures can be taken to keep users from sharing with non users.
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tracerhaha1
It's time to end the war on (some) drugs.
06:30 PM on 03/10/2011
keep dreaming.
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leftLibertarian
Don't vote for Obama or Romney
08:37 AM on 03/11/2011
what are you talking about?