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AvgJoeBlow
We are smarter than any of us.
08:02 AM on 03/31/2011
If all drugs were legal, addicts would no longer pay black-market prices to criminals for drugs of questionable and dangerous origin. They would get drugs produced by legitimate pharmaceutical companies and pay market prices. They would no longer die from buying toxic drugs, and they would no longer have to mug innocent people to support their habits.

If all drugs were legal, addicts could seek help by going to doctors – no longer afraid of being prosecuted for their medical problems.

If all drugs were legal, criminal drug dealers would no longer be on our streets. They couldn't compete with the low, free-market prices for drugs sold at pharmacies and marijuanna grown by farmers and hobbiests.

If all drugs were legal, criminal drug dealers would no longer prey upon our children – any more than distilleries and breweries try to infiltrate schools to hook kids on alcohol.

If all drugs were legal, our government would no longer be dispensing propaganda that makes children want to try the forbidden fruit.

Read more: What if all drugs were legal? (gasp!) http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23146#ixzz1IB50RSMG
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bryan broome
Hope and Change - If you like it, you can keep it.
08:12 AM on 03/31/2011
And the tax payers are left to foot the bill for the drug addicts rehab instead of footing the bill for the drug war. Crunch the numbers and I doubt you'll find it's a wash financially speaking.
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dubbleplusgood
Occupy Your Brain
08:18 AM on 03/31/2011
lol oh please supply those imaginary would you?
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dubbleplusgood
Occupy Your Brain
08:19 AM on 03/31/2011
*imaginary numbers*
lastpost
see biography
07:55 AM on 03/31/2011
“more than a dozen states already allow the use of medical marijuana, and that California voters came close to legalizing the drug for recreational use”.
But what are the long term effects of such capitulation? Will it result in a society that resembles some sort of alfresco opium den?
Are such opiates being ingested to modify mental perceptions, that would otherwise prove intolerable to the individual “experiencing” them ? If so, then perhaps we should be investigating all alternative means currently available to us capable of accomplishing that same end. These are in many cases free, and thus unattractive to the criminal element. And in most cases non-injurious, and so unlikely to set in train some future problematic time-bomb. In addition, will these ne'er-do-wells just wither away? Or simply reassign, to profit from some other frailty of our community.
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Lesperado
liberal... born that way...
08:11 AM on 03/31/2011
See Holland for your answers. This is not new.
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Coinyer101
King of Doobiestan
08:16 AM on 03/31/2011
Your arguments are a bunch of baloney. I been smokin' for 30 years. I been just as productive as anyone else I know who doesn't smoke. And I'm smarter than most of them, too. You seem to hold the false impression you've been taught because you lack experience in the matter yourself. Marijuana is in no way comparable opiates, too. And no, life is not intolerable without it, it's just a bigger bummer. There is no alternative that is as safe and effective as weed, and as beneficial, healthwise. Pot is not injurious, and what future timebomb? People been smoking weed 1000s of years. And your last two sentence are nonsense. Of course they will wither way. They certainly can't reassign profit to some other frailty, because people like me ain't interested in any other frailty.....,
 
You need to learn from people who have years of experience with weed, or gain some experience yourself, because your arguments are major fail.
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bryan broome
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08:34 AM on 03/31/2011
"And I'm smarter than most of them, too."
That's what all of the pot heads say.
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dubbleplusgood
Occupy Your Brain
07:38 AM on 03/31/2011
One common objection to just making pot legal is that other drugs like cocaine, heroin and meth would still be around so nothing would change. Not exactly.

Think of the drug business as a business. Imagine if GE lost more than half it's wealth in one day. What would happen to the company? Poof. Now apply that same scenario to the cartels, the bikers, the street gangs. Yes cocaine and heroin might still be around, but it's a lot tougher to pay employees and bribe the police with half the cash in your pocket.

Courts, police and prisons would no longer be bogged down with frivolous marijuana arrests and more attention could be paid to cases that actually mattered. It's a win win for us, a lose lose for criminals and corrupt law enforcement.
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AvgJoeBlow
We are smarter than any of us.
07:47 AM on 03/31/2011
Good point, and bot to mention its only a gateway drug in the movies, Herritage Foundation literature, and DEA pamphlets. Convincing the vast majority of Pot Smokers to move on to Cocaine, H, Crack and Meth to fill in the void is going to be an awefully tough sell -AJB
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bryan broome
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08:06 AM on 03/31/2011
It happens to be a gateway drug, just not the way you might think it would be. More so in a social or cultural way than a chemical way.
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dubbleplusgood
Occupy Your Brain
07:30 AM on 03/31/2011
the only people that benefit from marijuana prohibition are the street gangs, bikers, smugglers, cartels, politicians, police, judges, lawyers, and prisons. last time i checked, the booze runners fizzled away once alcohol prohibition ended. it will be no different with pot.
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Frenbar
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
11:46 AM on 03/31/2011
Don't forget the taser company, the drug testing industry, the military, right wing junta's around the world who are propped up with US "drug prevention" money and military equipment, the liquor industry, ect ect
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outofstepper
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07:01 AM on 03/31/2011
So far this year the U.S. has spent $10.27 billion on the drug war, arrested 419,308 on drug charges, 216,364 just for marijuana, and incarcerated 2727.

So many problems would be solved by legalizing drugs. At the very least marijuana. Not the least of these problems being the massive amount of money being spent to wage the war, incarcerating people, and the loss of taxes from those in prison.
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SierraSon
07:29 AM on 03/31/2011
Republicans and Tea Partiets should be all over drug legalization - fits right in with the government being out of our lives mantra.
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Thordeer
Greed has won over principle.
08:06 AM on 03/31/2011
I wish. Their small gov't mantra is hogwash: They want small government if it means they can merge huge companies, pollute at will, hire cheap labor from abroad, invest however they wish. But they want government to bail them out, to create and enforce their patents, and to control teachers, immigrants, behavior they simply don't like.
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bryan broome
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08:08 AM on 03/31/2011
They are if you are speaking of the constituants. Most of the pot smokers I know vote Republican.
05:56 AM on 03/31/2011
I have no problem at all if Mexico wants to legalize pot - I hope they do and I hope we here in the US keep pushing and pushing our pot laws towards the same goal. And when pot's legal in both countries I hope people do the patriotic thing and support American pot farmers! Mexican pot sucks.

But I digress. I think this guy is not telling the whole story by focusing only on pot. My understanding that a lot of the worst problems related to Mexico's drug trade has to do with moving cocaine up from S. America to the US. Dealing with cocaine smuggling is a big, messy problem. There's so much violence and mayhem surrounding the drug, and yet I don't think legalizing it is the solution at all. Cocaine trafficking is a big problem without an easy solution.
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wanderingsalmon
Bacon, the chocolate of meat.
07:23 AM on 03/31/2011
I dunno.. the CIA made cocaine trafficking look pretty easy... but they had military and diplomatic aircraft.
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looneydoone
not a "cookie"
08:10 PM on 03/31/2011
China white during Viet Nam.......and today the poppy fields of Afghanistan
using military transport and agency aircraft (and their diplomatic immunity)
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bryan broome
Hope and Change - If you like it, you can keep it.
05:34 AM on 03/31/2011
"Making pot legal, Castañeda says, would kneecap the cartels, which make their profit from the very illegality of the drug they are selling."

That's a big assumption that he would think that the drug cartel would take this laying down. Does he really think they would give up that money? No, there would be even more violence if they legalize.
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Syllogizer
Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
06:17 AM on 03/31/2011
Yes, it is a big assumption. Quite rash, too. But it is politically very, very popular. Especially since the "war on drugs" is such a quagmire.
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Thordeer
Greed has won over principle.
08:08 AM on 03/31/2011
It is a correct assumption: When legal pot farms and legal distribution through pharmacies/WalMart/corner store are commonplace, there will be no profit left for gangsters.
06:47 AM on 03/31/2011
Just like that surge in violence that happened after the legal alcohol industry started to compete with the bootleggers and smugglers...
05:25 AM on 03/31/2011
Legalizing drugs in Mexico would cause a depression.
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06:44 AM on 03/31/2011
All those facts you said... All that thought and process you put into your statement...
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Romeover
Civilization is for weaklings.
06:46 AM on 03/31/2011
You're right. All those who profit from prohibition would be depressed.
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Thordeer
Greed has won over principle.
08:09 AM on 03/31/2011
:)
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bryan broome
Hope and Change - If you like it, you can keep it.
08:17 AM on 03/31/2011
Do you really think your average Joe is going to benetfit financially from this? No, it will be the same people (the rich) making all the money. If they legalize it they will still put restrictions on growing it or selling it. Think FDA, ATF etc.
05:14 AM on 03/31/2011
Cui Bono?
Who Benefits?
Who benefits from pot being illeagal?
The DEA, Cops, Border Patrol, and the Pols and the Booze Industry. Growing pot is about as hard as growing tomatos, and will not give you a hang over.
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AvgJoeBlow
We are smarter than any of us.
07:53 AM on 03/31/2011
Lets not leave out Energy, Big Pharma, Textiles, Lumber and all that SOG police unit funding for Uniforms, Arms, Electronics, Vehicles etc. -AJB
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Thordeer
Greed has won over principle.
08:10 AM on 03/31/2011
That last tomato I had almost did me in!
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fumes
Old black water, keep on rollin'
05:12 AM on 03/31/2011
the religious right..

is neither.
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JewishPhysician
fraternity, trust, discourse
03:11 AM on 03/31/2011
Great topic for the debate ahead. I must say that the War on Drugs might actually be a War against Civilization. To legalize marijuana for starters will enable the free sale of such an item and drug trafficing will no longer be a concern. Turn the dollars spend policing the border and Mexico and elsewhere into dollars spend on drug addiction treatment. Open more treatment centers and afford health care instead of warfare and tribulation. It is a shame that we in America are more concerned with the addictions of our popultion than we are with the right to LIVE of those across the border and across America who are murdered so that activity that is unlawful may continue to indeed exist. Make this a WAR AGAINST ADDICTION. Then we will have a peaceful and prosperous society.
It was written recently in the Miami Herald by an Anesthesiologist of senior standing that Addiction is what stands between Good Drugs and "Bad Drugs". Medical usage of Marijuana is the future of humanity. My own personal belief is that marijuana was given to us by a generous Creator to afford us a releif to the Pain in our BODIES from Cancer and other malady. That said, we need to consider that EVERYTHING was created for a PURPOSE. No Intelligent Creator would ensure that the world would suffer from a creation that was meant to exist in this world we enjoy. Thanks.
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02:53 AM on 03/31/2011
Our poor suckers in the White House and Congress know exactly what the cure is, but are afraid of the silly rightists. We could save $100B per year if we ended the War on Drugs and made all drugs legal in the US. At the same time we could end the Meth epidemic in the US. Or would the DEA and the other big agencies prefer to keep their big salaries no matter what the right answer is?
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dubbleplusgood
Occupy Your Brain
07:41 AM on 03/31/2011
answer? they prefer to keep their big salaries and they rationalize to themselves that they are doing it for noble reasons.
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Alan Wendt
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02:25 AM on 03/31/2011
We need to make more things illegal so the Corrections Corporation of America can maintain its growth rate.
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CarolinaDem
they DID take the last train for the coast!
05:43 AM on 03/31/2011
Not only that, we should simply make it illegal to alter your consciousness in general. Save on education, antidepressants, conversation! Prohibit new ideas and put an end to the erosion of norms, standards and biases. Best of all, nothing no matter how absurd can ever become outdated. We can wear fat ties forever. We'll have to.
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Syllogizer
Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
06:21 AM on 03/31/2011
Don't give the Tea Partiers ideas!
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02:12 AM on 03/31/2011
The war on drugs has been an unbelievable waste of money all over the globe. Such a waste that you have to ask how it is even possible it has not long since been trashed.

The easy answer is money, legally - the enforcement industry is enormous, global, semi-militarized etc., and illegally (imagine the scale and scope of the corruption).

But I wonder, if an honest President and Congress tried to go all the way, and legalize drugs, if that would be an instant, real war with organized crime of all sorts everywhere, and that fear plays a real role.
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bllnsinchnge
peace, markets, freedom
08:33 AM on 03/31/2011
The drug war is a big reason that organized crime exists at all. They are suppliers of black market goods. They do not have the protection of the normal laws in their businesses, therefore they are their own police and security for the black market. With drugs legally traded and sold, there would be no law to break.

Gambling used to be illegal in most states, adding casinos did not make everyone an addict, neither did legalizing booze.
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01:45 PM on 04/03/2011
It would be real war with the corporations that profit off the Drug War against Americans.

Look up the Business Plot, back during FDR days.

Legalized cannabis would not be just for medical and enjoyment reasons, think HEMP. How bad will the hemp market cut into other prominent American corporation profits. Enough for people to kill for.
01:33 AM on 03/31/2011
Our puritanical country practices such hypocrisy. Cigarettes and alcohol are legal, two very strong drugs. They cause numerous social problems. Does the government make money off the taxing of this? The legalization of pot would never make it through any federal political system because of its demonization. The religious right would call up their faithful and the fear machine would get in to action to protect us all from this demon weed. Face it, when it comes to a solution that is practical, social responsible and cost effective, we stick out heads in the sand and pretend we are taking care of it by this ridiculous war on drugs. Meanwhile...the cartels profits skyrocket!