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07:31 PM on 04/25/2011
The only location that a mobile computer should ever record automatically is the single most recent known location, and only when the location service is enabled. Every time the system resolves a new location, it should overwrite this single location register, and applications should not have access to this register by default.

The system could also implement an interactive location service similar to Foursquare. The user would explicitly command the system to record the current location or a specified location in a persistent location database which stores location-specific data and preferences.

Both of these resources must be encrypted and accessible to applications only through a system interface to the location service which prompts the user to set access controls for each application which requests the location register.

The location database can support location-specific access controls for applications which are denied access to the location register, for example allowing a social network application to retrieve only certain locations.
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laterthanyouthink
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11:37 PM on 04/25/2011
Your suggestion will be passed to the control center.

Thank you very much.

Move along.
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cvbnm67
Pursuing truth, and all those who threaten it.
12:42 PM on 04/26/2011
lol.
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Skotyman
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01:18 PM on 04/26/2011
Without stored location points, how could you get back to your parked car using those "mark your parking spots" apps?
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laterthanyouthink
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04:33 AM on 04/28/2011
Excellent point.

We would all lose our cars and never be able to find them again.
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cjmccardle
different thinker...status quo buster
07:16 PM on 04/25/2011
Lets ask the only carrier up until 1/11...AT&T any comment? Bush era WoT hold over?
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Dosadi
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07:02 PM on 04/25/2011
Does anybody understand this technology?

Does anyone realize that with location services turned off your cell phone only records the locations of cell towers and not the location of your phone?

Does anyone realize that the providers were forced by law to put this in play?

On the other side of the coin:

Does anyone notice that Apple is surprisingly silent on this?
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pgurlatl
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07:13 PM on 04/25/2011
I'm trying to figure out why this is being reported as something new. Even the Motorola StarTac did this. All phones even without GPS can track using cell phone tower location services. I mean this isn't new AT ALL.
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Dosadi
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08:10 PM on 04/25/2011
True but there are still a few people who can be frightened by this old knowledge.


Scaring people is big these days.  Easiest way to control them.
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greeneyes51654m
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07:22 PM on 04/25/2011
No I didn't know that of anything you commented on, but now I do and i thank you for the info.
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Dosadi
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08:11 PM on 04/25/2011
No problem.
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Skotyman
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06:46 PM on 04/25/2011
I'm going to start going the long way around, then double back, then go the opposite direction for two miles, make a left, then another left, then a rig.....another left and then double back again everywhere I go. That'll teach em!
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EuropeWindAndFire
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07:01 PM on 04/25/2011
No. You should not be the one to tinfoil. They should be...
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Dosadi
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07:03 PM on 04/25/2011
Don't forget three lefts make a right.
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Solstice1221
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06:45 PM on 04/25/2011
All cell phones are required to track you. The FCC Telecom Act of 1996 required that all cell phone companies keep location data for E911 purposes. See: [url]http://www.infowars.com/investigation-government-ordered-cellphone-companies-to-spy-on-users/[/url] The public thinks this is some sort of nefarious plot by Apple. But it's actually been an FCC requirement that had to be in fully implemented by 2001. Where Apple failed is that this file isn't encrypted. This will probably be fixed in the next iOS update.
yea right
Lets go back and throw the civil war.
07:11 PM on 04/25/2011
Wrong, All cell phones can have their positions triangulated in an emergency. Not all cell phones are tracking your every movement and storing that information. There is a big difference.
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Dosadi
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07:25 PM on 04/25/2011
With location services turned off, your cell phone does not know where it is.  All it can track is the location of the providers cell towers.

There is a huge difference.

That is why the first data apple gives you when you buy an Iphone is how to find it if you lost it.  They tell you point blank that location services must be on. The app that allows you to call the lost phone, leave messages on it and finally erase data requires the owner to enable it first.  And if the person who found it turns it off no one can find it.
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Solstice1221
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07:55 PM on 04/25/2011
Had you read the article I provided, you would have learned that 911 operators can't triangulate your location themselves. That info must be provided to them by the cell phone companies as an intermediary. Also as stated in the article, ALL CELL PHONES COMPANIES under this same FCC mandate have been required to track you for law enforcement purposes. Do you honestly think GPS does this without saving any files on some server somewhere? Your own web browser is likely sharing the websites you visit right now with some marketing company from the "cookies" saved to your hard drive. Just as your DVR is sharing what you watch too. And Apple isn't the only one doing this. Whereas Apple has admitted to "intermittently" gathering info on you, Google has admitted that their Android cell phones beams their locations directly to Google several times an hour. There is a reason why this era we live in is called the "Information Age."
06:06 PM on 04/25/2011
Google's "operation" is not at all similar. For one, you are informed about it when you turn on your phone for the first time. Second, at the same time, you can turn off the same feature. Third, if you decide not to turn it off, the cache is limited to 50 entries, rather than being unlimited.

The fact that Apple has been silent for this long suggests to me that it's not an accident.
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Dosadi
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09:39 PM on 04/25/2011
They probably never thought this would scare anyone.  They forgot how easy it is to scare us here in America.

"Iphone alert level orange-elevated."
04:27 AM on 04/26/2011
Not just America. No one really enjoys the idea of having their movements tracked by a corporation.

Also another key difference between Google and Apple's situation is that Google admitted it straight away, while Apple is pulling their usual "deny the obvious, pretend the world is ours" routine.
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Dosadi
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05:50 PM on 04/25/2011
Do an experiment. Turn your phone off and call you cellular provider you lost it.


Let us all know what they tell you.

PS.  Some of us already know.

Now, turn off your car.  Call On-Star and tell them you lost it.  They will tell you exactly where it is.
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pgurlatl
libby chic geek
07:14 PM on 04/25/2011
Finally someone with some sense.
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
05:48 PM on 04/25/2011
Why is no one worried about On-Star?

They track you, they can even start your car and open up two way communications with you.

So where is the concern about your car?
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Skotyman
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06:49 PM on 04/25/2011
...cricket...cricket...cricket...
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Dosadi
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06:55 PM on 04/25/2011
Exactly!

The silence is deafening.
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EuropeWindAndFire
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07:04 PM on 04/25/2011
Wow! Wow! A triple cricket! After having seen the double rainbow, this must be the next viral thing! Wow! What does it mean? Just look at that! A triple cricket! Wow!
yea right
Lets go back and throw the civil war.
07:21 PM on 04/25/2011
Can you not see the difference between having your provider being able to tell you where your car is located versus having your car continuously monitor and store where its been. Really?
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Dosadi
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07:38 PM on 04/25/2011
How about if On-Star decides to turn it off and shut it down while you are traveling across a desert.  Yes we have them in the USA.

How about if On-Star decides to listen in on your conversations?

How about if On-Star decides to unlock your car while you are at a play or at the football game?

How about if On-Star decides to start your car up right after you park it downtown?



Yes, really!
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
05:37 PM on 04/25/2011
Why is there no outcry about On-Star?

It tracks you yes.  But On-star techs can start your car, unlock and lock your doors and know exactly where you are whenever they want.  They password they ask for is just to insure it is really you, they don't need it.

Plus, and here is the good part, On-Star can open a mike in your car and hear your conversations.

So why the fuss about the IPhone?  Because someone wants to scare you.  It doesn't matter anymore what they scare you about as long as you are scared.  The oil companies are jacking up the price of gas and the GOP is talking about deficits. deficits?  They just spent 8 years telling us the deficits don't matter but now all of a sudden when they see their chances of gaining the White House at nil they allow the oil companies to put us in an economic hurt.  Why you might ask?  So they can trick their lock stepping base into thinking the economy that he inherited and has worked his butt off to keep from failing is somehow his fault.

And the GOP base will believe it. Talk about stupid.
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wilray
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06:00 PM on 04/25/2011
Sounds like the OnStar techs can run you off a cliff if you piss them off.
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Dosadi
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06:22 PM on 04/25/2011
LOL!


No, but they can strand you in the desert by accident.
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Rhancheck
07:13 PM on 04/25/2011
lol well never know.. they can always stall the car and you happen to be going down a hill with no power steering or breaks ; ) But also since i think GM is being touted as the darling of the bailouts we won't hear much.. remember also the insurance companies wanted the onstar info so the could "talior" custom insurance policies for each person since it would show their adv speed and miles driven per year
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wilray
Heisendog, a golden lab
05:36 PM on 04/25/2011
If the iPhone tracks you even after you say stop, does that mean you have to get a restraining order?
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Dosadi
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05:48 PM on 04/25/2011
You have to say "No."
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Carlariz
06:56 PM on 04/25/2011
What a j e r k, but hilarious!!
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Carlariz
06:56 PM on 04/25/2011
ha..ha.. good one
05:17 PM on 04/25/2011
well that settles it, I'm turning my phone off now and immediately going to go somewhere they don't want me to go.
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Carlariz
06:56 PM on 04/25/2011
like another carrier??
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Bruce Pere
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04:53 PM on 04/25/2011
Ok, Ok, OK, we know all about it by now. You would have to live in a cave not to know that the iPhone tracks you and isnt good for your privacy. Now that we know, we can make a choice. I choose to keep my iPhone, I dont care if it knows what I am doing. Bruce Applegate, www.NewHeraldNews.com
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StephenJK
All your consciousness are belong to us
05:25 PM on 04/25/2011
OK, then lets hope you have no enemies with computer hacking chops or they can even hire one of their ne'er do wells to do the hacking for them. You aren't really understanding the implications of this. THis isn't just about the gov't or corporations watching you. This is about ANYONE interested in your whereabouts, habits and current locale. Do you have any enemies? No? Or none that you know about.
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Bruce Pere
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06:06 PM on 04/25/2011
I am sure there are people who dont like me. I wont let it ruin my day I dont live in fear. I could care less. If they dug it up, I have faith that I am smart enough not to put my membership to Adult Freind Finder on the net, Bruce Applegate, www.NewHeraldNews.com
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pgurlatl
libby chic geek
07:16 PM on 04/25/2011
You ought to be worried about someone hacking into your wireless network, which is far more common.
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
04:45 PM on 04/25/2011
Why is it that I think that they are selling, or planning to sell, this information?
04:54 PM on 04/25/2011
Already sold. You probably may want to know what "tier of consumer" you're considered.
A country of "tiered consumers" not "citizens"...what's not to love?
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Skotyman
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04:28 PM on 04/25/2011
...can you track me now?...
jokerdanny
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05:19 PM on 04/25/2011
nice
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Mydian01
two by two, hands of blue.
04:26 PM on 04/25/2011
hate to point this out, but so does your cell phone, ALL cell phones, ALL cell towers, ALL cellular carriers.. all that data is available, accessible and permanent. picking on apple for this is like saying only people named steve has ever farted.
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
04:46 PM on 04/25/2011
Hmm. Do the other cell phones keep a record on the phone and on your PC?
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
05:40 PM on 04/25/2011
All androids do.

The data is necessary to insure your phone is working properly.  I downloaded an app that shows the data and for some reason my IPhone 4 only has data from when I actually had Location Services turned on. I looked at the data, turned off Location Services and Wi-Fi, took a 30 mile drive and looked again and for some reason there was no data showing my trip.

Is my phone broke or something?

But On-star knows where my car went, how fast it was going and whether or not the doors are locked.
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StephenJK
All your consciousness are belong to us
05:26 PM on 04/25/2011
Yeah, the cell carrier might have that info. BUt, I don't have a file on my phone that you can download and I don't have anything about it on my pc.
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Mydian01
two by two, hands of blue.
06:17 PM on 04/25/2011
download my file right now and ill take it all back