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01:01 PM on 05/05/2011
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jerseyjoe99982002
less government means more in my pocket
12:46 PM on 05/05/2011
In my opinion, the photos will not be shown because Obama and his administration know they lied about a lot of the details. Now they are caught between a hard rock and a stone. If they show the photos and footage, it will reveal a lot of what happened inside the compound.
The reason we have so many conflicting stories about what may or may not have happened, is because Obama is now trying to cover the truth. Obviously, he is not revealing the photos because they tell a different story than the one he and his group of liars told to us
01:06 PM on 05/05/2011
First Intelligent post of the day

We should give Jersey a prize- Great Post Fanned and Fav
01:50 PM on 05/05/2011
I wonder, but I'm not asking, what sort of better truth it is that you have in mind. Of course, a mind can dream up nearly any scenario. But even a forensic anthropologist would require more than a photo to uncover lies and a coverup, of whatever.
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TheCommons
That really got out of hand fast.
12:40 PM on 05/05/2011
This has been my point. It's not that I don't respect the administration's reasoning, but I think it's more about a commitment to truth, reality, and the historical record. That has to matter to an open society.
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CHMB
What's long and brown and sticky? A Stick.
12:37 PM on 05/05/2011
"The image, given it's existence; it potentially profound resonance as a historical artifact; its centrality as confirmatory evidence of bin Laden's identity" There are many bad people in the world, who have killed people en masse, and the public has not demanded that pictures of these people, dead, be released. Can we not let the pictures of what this man and his organization did speak for themselves.

What you are failing to see in all of this, is that releasing the picture of Osama is not only in very poor taste (and why sink to such a low level? For revenge? Does that ever really work?) but it will make him a further martyr. Just leave well enough alone already.
12:31 PM on 05/05/2011
Give all Evidence, including photos, to the National Archives, anyone who wants to see them, can go to DC and look, and review.

But in an age where photos are most easily manipulated, re-framed as to context, and re-distributed on the web. The internet is not the place to release any type of evidence, or proof.

Mr. Shaw, consider that discrimination in the internet age we are in.
12:15 PM on 05/05/2011
You presume that the picture is the truth. What if the picture is not the truth?
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Yank in France
Egalité Fraternité Fiscalité ! - Les Inconnus
01:39 PM on 05/05/2011
the problem is NOT just a few photos, but that the govt is keeping a lid on ALL information.

The truly astounding thing about the aftermath of this apparently successful hi operation, which I welcome wholeheartedly, assuming that OBL is not just dead but was killed by Special Forces, is what it reveals about the truly docile mind of Americans. Is it any wonder that American elected GWB TWICE?
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The Lone Stranger
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12:05 PM on 05/05/2011
Bin Laden alive was a threat to mankind. He killed thousands whether armed or not.

what you fail to grasp is that history is what we make of it and by withholding the pictures Obama is chosing a particualr direction for History that actally seems entirely appropriate to me.

Bin Laden is gone, vanished taken away never to be seen again. Leaving nothing behind to celebrate or rember him by may not erase him from history but it does not enlarge him and I see that as a good thing.

Terrorists who engage in suicide bombing like to leave these weird video messages of their last words. But instead, Obama chose to make Bin Laden vanish without this. While we Americans may want to gloat over the sight of a dead Bin Laden, believe it or naot, such an image has the capacity to provoke all sorts of other responses form his followers that we really would be better off not provoking, such as pity, or anger or violent outrage. Instead, the undocumented disappearance of Obama should instill a sense of disorientation that a photograph would actually dispel.

Instead of second guessing Obama or thinking only of yourself, I think we should respect Obama for making the right call, even if it is unpopular.
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ReadMyLipstick1
It can't be that hard.
02:30 PM on 05/05/2011
Excellent and agree!
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jerryengelbach
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08:21 PM on 05/05/2011
As always, trumpeting authority over truth.

The writer is not thinking only of himelf. He's thinking of all of us, while you are thinking only of the government.
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The Lone Stranger
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10:09 PM on 05/05/2011
Hey Jerry I am willing to play nice if you are.

What do you say?
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12:04 PM on 05/05/2011
"We believe simply and unequivocally that the core of a healthy democracy involves not just speaking the truth and hearing the truth, but also seeing the truth -- as contentious and tenuous as that might be." Mr. Shaw, you need to return to college and take basic physical anthropology. Because human beings comprehend future, present, past circumstances via symbols (language, communication) it is unnecessary to place heads on poles, or in the modern way- via grotesque pictures. It is a barbaric concept. Not only that, it is inciteful and puts every military person at great risk of retaliation. Personally, I do not think this event should have been publicized at all. The objective was accomplished and quite obviously bin Laden would never have resurfaced and hopefully, al quaida with it. I don't agree with you that the public needs to see an assassination. That makes us no better than the ancient Romans. Death is not a spectator sport.
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12:29 PM on 05/05/2011
I think too many people forget your last sentence.

I, for one, have little desire to see a photo of the man dead. I didn't care to see them when he was alive. Just because he did horrible things does not mean we should sink to some perverse level.
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ReadMyLipstick1
It can't be that hard.
02:31 PM on 05/05/2011
Excellent as well and agree totally - indeed, death is not a spectator sport!
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Tavon
Knowlege before assumptions
12:00 PM on 05/05/2011
Whether anyone believes Bin Ladden was killed by the Seals, several years ago, or is still alive and co-habiting with Elvis makes no difference in how events go down between the terrorists and the USA.
We are weak or strong based upon how someone looking for the spotight paints it, no matter what decision was made.

The photos are not that important. This debate is not one that would be continuing, but for the media keeping it going. People would be on to other things if the media would move on.
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Romulus
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11:56 AM on 05/05/2011
"this act of omission reinforced by the President's dismissive and defensive tone, that not just insults the intelligence of the American people "

You do realize, Mr. Shaw, that you do not speak for all Americans, right? If you don't realize that fact, just read some of the comments to your blog here on HuffPo.
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11:55 AM on 05/05/2011
Do we also need the names and home telephone numbers of the men who carried out the mission? No, we don't. There appears to be a complete lack of common sense and decency here. This was not a criminal trial, it was a military operation. Reuters has already released bloody photos of dead bodies, taken in the hour after the raid. Without detailed explanations from the people who were involved, does that shed light on anything? No, it doesn't.
What we deserve is a full written account of what happened. Not the dusty fog-of-war press conference stuff that came out in the first 24 hours, but a well discovered, exhaustive account of what happened.
Photographs are not going to tell the story, nothing in this modern age is more easily manipulated than a photograph. We need the full truth in writing, signed off on by the President and highest military commanders.
A picture might say more than a thousand words, but they also say a thousand different words to each person who views them. I'd rather have it in black and white, no Kodachrome necessary.
11:50 AM on 05/05/2011
I demand to see the security video of Bush choking on the Pretz-L Nugget. You can't tell me that the entire incident wasn't a fraud orchestrated to win public sympathy. The American people paid for that pretzel with our hard-earned tax dollars. We have a right to the truth.
12:14 PM on 05/05/2011
A perfect analogy!

Did he turn blue? Did he turn blue?
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Kyle10
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01:12 PM on 05/05/2011
Er, I believe he turned red...
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The Lone Stranger
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11:45 AM on 05/05/2011
All I can say is that this post confirms for me why it was great that we elected Obama Presdient. He did the right thing here and instead of whining you really should look at the big picture, just as Obama has done. Release of the photo might satiate your own curiousity but it could very well also provoke outrage. Besides, you and I both know that if such a photo is released this will be an image that defines Obamas Presdiency and honestly who wants that?

Finally, it is a far better ending that Bin Laden not get his last attention grabbing appearance. He just does not deserve it.
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wonketteRAWKS
Hypocrisy is prevalent in BOTH parties!
11:43 AM on 05/05/2011
Do these people not witness the horrors first hand of drone attacks and war in their own front yard? It's only Americans who are kept in the dark of the atrocities of these out of control neverending wars. Time to release the truth...release the photos. Ironic, that many who are obots were all for releasing the photos of the Abu Gharib toture, but now with OBL, it has suddenly become a matter of national security. Hypocrisy because of which party is in the White House.
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05:04 PM on 05/05/2011
disagree very very strongly
11:36 AM on 05/05/2011
For those who like to defend the withholding of the photos because the government knows best and we should thus just leave it be: shall we also just cancel voting altogether? I mean if the government knows best, then let them pick our leaders for us. And since communist China seems to own American debt, we might as well act like them.
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12:11 PM on 05/05/2011
Why didn't you use the Nazi era as a logical sequence as well? Same type. BrotherJohn, some concepts transcend politics and are subject only to our higher selves and decency. Do you really need or want to see pictures of a blood bath; someone blown to smithereens? We are supposed to be intelligent beings. Viciousness, while necessary under certain circumstances, does not need to be flaunted. I get the picture. I am sure that you do.
03:58 PM on 05/05/2011
But the presumption of your statement is that we indeed killed bin Laden. Sorry if I'm raining on anyone's parade, but I still remember all those Osama impersonator sightings that kept happening after 9/11. I also remember how our government was caught in a lie about late NFL start turned hero soldier Patrick Tillman (remember him?). My threshold of truth is higher, but that doesn't make it any less valid.
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jerryengelbach
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08:30 PM on 05/05/2011
No, I think most people don't. They don't see what their taxes are doing, the damage to themselves and to others. The things done in their name that serve the interests of the ruling elite.

Let truth be revealed to all who want to see. Those who choose not to look are free to turn away.
03:45 PM on 05/05/2011
I don't support the withholding of the photos because the government knows best, but because the release of the photos serves no useful purpose and in fact such release is counterproductive. The US government takes full responsibility for the termination of Bin Laden and showing graphic photos does nothing to alter or shed light on that fact.
05:09 PM on 05/05/2011
Exactly!!!