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weebils
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04:15 PM on 05/15/2011
Democrats hanging on to Feingold is as ridiculous as republicans hanging on to Newt Gingrich. Both represent a past we need to move away from. This country is doomed because of loons on both sides.
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leftbehind2000
If money = speech, then no speech is free.
05:22 PM on 05/15/2011
Feingold is hardly a comparable to Gingrich. You will find much more admiration than scorn for Feingold, even among those who disagree with him. His ethics are above reproach, and his politics are anything but extreme. The fact that he stands for individuals and progressive ideals in an age where corporations run both parties is hardly reason for calling him a "loon."
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sixchair
Always left, usually right
09:16 PM on 05/15/2011
that's like comparing a terd and a diamond. both took a while to create, but there is no comparison beyond that.
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vetxcl
01:34 AM on 05/16/2011
Hold on thar! Gentlemen please!!!! Robot thought of something original (in the context of previous paste and copies) and made half a good point: immoral , liar newt for brains should do the nation a favor, and say: Scuse. Me on second thought. I found my conscience, so I won't be running for President.
By running he's only doing the Democrats a favor.
Help the whole nation newt!!!! ppppleeeeaazzzzeee! (can't do rodger rabbit.)
fave number three for bot. Second I've given her - not that it matters, nor is appreciated perhaps - just the correct thing to do.
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vetxcl
01:35 AM on 05/16/2011
bot wobbly sazzz:
garyc4
Old enough to know better
04:11 PM on 05/15/2011
Running against Obama now is a waste of time and money. The Democrats need to stand together for once so they can have some clout. I believe that dispatching Osama bin Laden gives the president the momentum to capture the swing vote and more. Feingold will never capture the middle. The only thing he could do would be a Ralph Nader type of spoiler.
04:58 PM on 05/15/2011
The Repubican party is on the wane, and by splitting the Democrats, we can finally put a stake through the heart of the blood suckers and get real representation. We can't let the media sidetrack us!
03:53 PM on 05/15/2011
The democrats are going to split their party in two and I don't think the nominee will be able to unite the party like the Republicans did in the mid-term. I only wonder what cooshy job obama will offer fiengold to drop out, like he offered joe sestak? The media is making a big deal about the Republican ticket; while obama needed to sound more like a Republican, by claiming to support oil drilling to pander for votes. It looks as if the democrats are in more trouble then the Republicans and they better hope that Chris Christie or Condi Rice don't enter the field for the Republicans.
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truly moderate
Independent, Center-Right
06:11 PM on 05/15/2011
If Rice were to enter the GOP field, that would be a game changer. Were talking about someone that in the past few years has gained respect, especially from women (just watch her appearances on shows like Oprah). Her current views reflect moderacy and she has been relatively mild concerning her views on president Obama, but that should not come as a surprise as president Obama took Bush security initiatives and kept them, improved on them, and created a new new ones of his own, so natl security is a high priority for our president, honestly probably higher than Bushy.
03:26 PM on 05/15/2011
I don't know about Feingold.

If Dems would look at the bigger picture, they are playing right into the conservatives hand if they continue to campaign for someone to go against a sitting president.

Stop wasting money Dems and start looking at the bigger show that's going on.
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weebils
I like jalapenos and hot sauce
04:08 PM on 05/15/2011
It won't happen. These are nasty democrats who are just as nasty as republicans and determined to destroy the Obama presidency. They will do everything in their power because they are still sore over losing in 2008.
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sixchair
Always left, usually right
09:18 PM on 05/15/2011
Man, you are the ultimate Obamagirl. First, Feingold will not be running against "Him", so chill.

Second, we must all always question and hold accountable any president, no matter how beautifully he smiles.
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vetxcl
05:23 PM on 05/15/2011
Mr.Neico: "I don't know about Feingold. " I believe you. Do you know what office the article mentions (that he might run for?)
02:30 PM on 05/15/2011
If current members of Democratic party can't support a popular "progressive" of the party, then they don't deserve a majority in the Senate. He has stood for the middle and working class of Americans, both in his voting record and oral arguments on the Senate floor. He has proven his commitment to the policies most Democrats agree on and I don't think there would be a better candidate. Juse one voter's opinion. Thank you.
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weebils
I like jalapenos and hot sauce
04:10 PM on 05/15/2011
What has he accomplished in 30 years in office. Don't tell me nonsense about his speeches. What progressive cause has he actually advanced in 30 years? Those of you who criticize President Obama after less than 3 years seem to have a blind eye to the lack of accomplishments by Feingold in almost 30 years as a politician.
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sixchair
Always left, usually right
09:20 PM on 05/15/2011
There's this thing called the internet, so everyone can find out, real quick.
02:17 PM on 05/15/2011
The current Dem party apparatus only wants conservdems elected. Look at the states the DNC abandoned in 2010. Ohio, Wi, Penn, Fl and Mi, all were left for the Repubs to pick up at their leisure. This administration considered some Dems, Sestak and Feingold, to be enemies. They wanted Crist rather than Meeks in Florida. They saw other States like Ohio and Michigan as the way to give up the House so they would have a Repub governing body to run against in 2012. It is not that big of a news story that the current party establishment would work against Feingold.
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vetxcl
05:41 PM on 05/15/2011
Mr. w: (I think we all know who big dubya was.) You're certainly entitled to whatever opinion you like. Hope you don't turn into a wobbly drone if I happen to disagree with you. In any event, you start by stating the opposite of what's popularly held as truth. Even enemies here like to talk about how liberal Democrats are, until they go schizophrenic and split off into trying to confuse both parties with each other. That all boils down to confuse and distract . Nothing new, not even when comb-over (perhaps you prefer sideshow don) does it.
Also you are too extreme in your generalizations about Democrats. Telling choice of the word: enemy . That 's so raygun. One thing I can generally say about generalizations, is that they are specifically wrong. Another red flag (pun intended) is that you speak with certainty about what they wanted. Admittedly superficial: maybe you wouldn't know a Democrat if he hit you with a tax hike (stereotype) yet all recently, past Republicans raised taxes - check that at your leisure. Your last sentence is interesting, no proof of that whatsoever, except what the above author claims. Actually another typical Republican tactic: splintering.
In conclusion: no proof = no fact, therefor b.s. and blather. Or perhaps from wobbly's perspective, the God's honest truth. No doubt you'll "meet" her if she's still clinging on.
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vetxcl
05:42 PM on 05/15/2011
And wobbly drone sez:
02:12 PM on 05/15/2011
Perfect opportunity to start up the American Progressive Party. Get a third-party candidate into the Senate in Wisconsin and give the progressives in this country some kind of hope. With someone like Feingold at the helm, even a small third party in one state would have some clout.
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Dokkydok
Drink the wine and take my hand.
04:00 PM on 05/15/2011
The Constitution (effectively) bans third parties, though. :(
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vetxcl
05:43 PM on 05/15/2011
Mr. Dok: Who told you that nonsense? Or did you think that up on your own. Patently absurd.
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vetxcl
05:59 PM on 05/15/2011
Plank: My initial reaction was to do a newt for brains and cherry-pick from history. But the more I think on it, the more it makes sense. Mr. Feingold certainly has the name recognition in this state. Personally, I think it's risky to underestimate the deviousness of Koch backed drones. You may recall their father, who essentially started Koch Industries and once he accrued piles of cash, looked around and thought making his own party in his image was a good idea. Thus the John Birch Society was formed. It's known for it's fascist and bigoted views, but just like it's modern day offspring, known for blathering ridiculous pap, such as accusing President D.D. Eisenhower of being a Communist! Astronomically absurd. Then pop died and the sons inherited "his" work. They continued the tradition by forming the Libertarian Party. They eventually learned that racism wasn't as popular as in "the good ole' days", so they talked amongst themselves, and deluding themselves that free speech means saying whatever the f. you want, just had to have a way to speak in what's now referred to even by staunch shills like faux noise as "code" (Doesn't it undercut the code if you talk about the code in this case?) So, the Libertarians were a flop by any measure, with little significant impact , save to irritate people that tried to reason with them. I don't consider one or two elected officials over the course of their existence a success.
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edejan
02:02 PM on 05/15/2011
Feingold was beaten in November by massive amounts of right wing money flowing into the state against Dem candidates. After the upheaval in Wisconsin over Walker's power grab, I think Feingold would have a good chance to grab that Senate seat. It's certain Ryan as a Senator would be a disaster.
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weebils
I like jalapenos and hot sauce
04:14 PM on 05/15/2011
Feingold was a state senator for about a decade and a member of congress for almost two decades. Plenty of time for him to prove himself to the people and get things done. He did neither and that is why he lost. Time for new faces and people who can get the job done.
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vetxcl
07:01 PM on 05/15/2011
Mr. Jan: Accurate, despite being badgered (pun intended) by the wobbly drone. You display an accurate remembrance of (real) recent history as well as being able to take into account the current trend here - oddly, something that drones seems allergic too.
Hopefully, people in this state won't be misled, yet again, once they've had adequate exposure to what baggers do. No wonder they were vague about it prior to the election for so long. You never know. This state appears to have a love hate relationship with both parties -- further supporting Mr. Plank's assertion (scroll up) , which I have every reason to believe wobbly drone will get to. faved.
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dennidus1680
01:28 PM on 05/15/2011
Russ was a bad loss last election. With the Republican results afterward, I think the people of Wisconsin are having buyer's remorse and that his chances would be good this time around.
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vetxcl
07:24 PM on 05/15/2011
Mr. 1680: Guess your definition of bad loss is any loss, like wobbly drone.
Actual margin between was close. Not what pundits were initially predicting, as pundit's often go with whomever spends the most money and think there's a direct relationship between that and victory. This belief has much to back it up. However, most were saying it would be a much, much wider margin. Splitting hairs to you perhaps. But if said, that would open that assertion to my counter that you don't appear to know Wisconsin that well. Prove me wrong at your leasure, or not. (((The close margin really is an indicator of how weak / tenous Gov. beancounter's position actually is.))) Given his penchant for shooting himself in the foot repeatedly with "shock and awe" measures, coupled with hinting at calling in the National Guard ( and not for tea), adding the now even more onerous bagger albatross round his neck(people now know what baggers do, instead of just what they say they don't want), add massive protests, which numnuts responded too by locking the capital building doors. (Nothing says freedom and democracy, like locked capital doors , right scottie?) Kinda surprised he didn't declare martial law - given his Koch drone stupid-visors. Add a large dollop of union busting in the state that fought hard for unions, and has a long history of being union - even after Graham, Leach, Bliley Act . Then numnuts says he's the worker's friend .
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vetxcl
07:25 PM on 05/15/2011
Long story short: Mr. Feingold could win now that Wisconsin had a taste of the new kid on the block.
Your opinion is naturally up to you.
12:33 PM on 05/15/2011
Big money donations to candidates is bribery. If anyone believes this practice is harmless, they are a fool.
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vetxcl
12:49 PM on 05/15/2011
Mr. Rugger: Precisely why I will vote for Mr, Feingold for Senator or for Governor (see also, Salon.com for the latter.) I vote my conscience and convictions. I try not to profess to know the future.
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Basselope
Member of the 1% and I support OWS!
12:27 PM on 05/15/2011
The real choice for Feingold is does he want to go back into the Senate or run for the Presidency in 2016.

Given the situation in Wisconsin, there is no doubt that a democrat wins this seat, so they are probably better to get some fresh blood in there.

I hope that Feingold runs for the nomination in 2016 and he will be far better as an "outsider" than someone from inside the Senate.
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vetxcl
12:57 PM on 05/15/2011
Mr. Lope: Yes to the first, and would be too old by then to the second. The conversation recently is getting more civil and interesting (subjective), so I'll ask, what makes you think he won't be too old by 2016? Also, still see him sticking to his no high finance principles, but the Presidency takes big bucks. Running around getting a dollar here (comparatively) and a dollar there is a young, fit man's game.
As far as the insider , outsider thing, that's been overhyped. Have you seen his voting record? He frequently sponsors bills will other members of the Senate on either side. Just how outside are you when you do that?
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Basselope
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04:29 PM on 05/15/2011
Too old???

He was born in 1953, which would make him 63. Hardly old by today's standards and hardly even close to the oldest presidents (Reagan inaugurated at basically 70).

"running around getting a dollar here and a dollar there" is fairly easy these days with this new fangled way of fund-raising called the internet. (Remember Howard Dean!) But, again, 63 these days is hardly "old" and Russ will be fine attending fund raisers where needed.

Yes, I have seen his voting record, which enforces his outsider credentials for exactly the reason you highlight. He doesn't tow the party line.. he works on what he believes in and co-sponsors bills with members of either party based on doing what he believes in rather than what his corporate masters tell him.

After 8 years of Obama having an anti-corporate president will be a very refreshing change.
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alan2a
Actual Progressive
12:26 PM on 05/15/2011
Feingold is the bette noir of many in the Democratic Party. This says it all. The one and maybe only actual progressive (ex) Democratic Senator, who doesn't buy into go along get along and corporate sponsorship is a no go for the Party. That says everything about what used to be the Democratic Party which today is the Republican Lite Party but simply hasn't changed their name to reflect the reality and their policies. And given that Ryan is likely to run for the seat it would be really important, given the Ryan budget and the Walker Administration to actually have a real true opposition candidate. But unfortunately we are talking about the DemoPub Party whose major focus is seeing how far right they can move without having to change the party's name.
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NevadaLiberal
You're looking parched there, Marco.
12:09 PM on 05/15/2011
["Banging the drums against the insidious influence of money in politics is tough when your own party is fully invested in the money-raising game."]

Yep, so true. Both parties are fully invested in Wall St and Multi Nationals and the Top 2%. These Rulers buy and sell the GOP and the DEM like stocks. This year knowing Obama is a sure thing, they are going to invest heavily in him and heavily in GOPs at the Senate and Congress level. They win both ways. Guys like Feingold are a danger to them and they will get the leaders of his party to alienate him and drum him out and make him seem like the extreme fringe. That is why Bernie Sanders is a Independent and not a Democrat.
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alan2a
Actual Progressive
12:27 PM on 05/15/2011
Great. Fanned!
12:40 PM on 05/15/2011
thank you.. concise truth .. and a very good reason WHY we need to vote in people such as Russ Fiengold...
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12:06 PM on 05/15/2011
Sam Stein, who are you referring to? "Potential Russ Feingold Candidacy Has Democrats Torn" Feingold was defeated in a liberal state.
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alan2a
Actual Progressive
12:29 PM on 05/15/2011
What world have you been hiding out in. Did you miss Walkers election as governor and the legislature turning both houses with major Republican majorities? Have you actually been awake for the last 6 months?
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vetxcl
01:40 PM on 05/15/2011
Mr.2a: Aren't you the guy that lives across from 2b? No? Oh, well.
Here's the thing, essentially you are correct, but as far as what a state is , sure you can go the current route. For example you could posit that now Ma. is a Republican state. I just happen to think that both you and Mr. 12 are wrong. Perhaps I'm older than you two. The state has a history of voting for Democrats and Republicans, heck even Socialists if you go further back. That's stretching it because then you'd have to define the state as inclusive of City politics as well. Technically speaking, Milwaukee is in Wisconsin, so I lump Milwaukee politics in with state politics. Maybe that's a mistake. You could probably get Mayor Barrett to concur it was a mistake to act like only the city mattered, as he counted heavily on City votes and neglected much of N. Wi., when he lost against a heavily funded scam artist. The city people knew Walker well , the country people seemed to love a smooth talker and were dazzled by a veritable 24-7 barrage of ads on all media. Check that yourself. Set records. Got so you really couldn't watch network tv unless you were a Walker or Jahhhnson support. I wasn't. Still dislike both.
Naturally, all this is filtered through my perspective, in true hufpo fashion.
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vetxcl
01:24 PM on 05/15/2011
Mr. 12: Umm, Governor Thompson was a ? After Mr. Thompson there was a ________ in office. The current governor is a ? (political affiliation please) One of several examples available. That should be enough to suffice any one's curiosity save for-hired Koch baggers, posting here.
Wisconsin goes for either party that seems to be the most convincing.
Less taxes in a recession is mighty enticing candie even if it's being proffered by someone who increased Milwaukee County Debt, oversaw huge taxpayer waste on a parking garage more than once, cut bus service and raised bus rates as gas prices were going up and people were leery of buying cars from company's in bankruptcy (just when a civic minded person would think to add buses and reduce fares to spur even more use). No bean-counter thought of making money off of a cash strapped populace. (Rich people rarely ride the bus. Happy to be proven wrong, as that'd help to renew my faith in humanity.) Then mr. bean-counter (walker) lays off mental health workers and maintenance at the one and only county mental health facility so drastically that it takes legal action to turn things around. Finding: negligence. And some adjustments are made. Walker squawks about it anyway, trying to rationalize his idiocy.
State's ready for a Democrat, now that the North knows him better.
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jbarelli
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11:45 AM on 05/15/2011
Although I'm a strong supporter of President Obama, I don't see a primary run by Mr. Feingold as a bad thing.

The President has any number of folks pushing him to the right. I think that he's shown that he is strong enough to hold his own, but having a candidate on his left, having debates with someone that promotes single payer health care, higher taxes on those that benefit the most from our society and reduced reliance on our military to solve international problems cannot help but be a good thing.

Mr Feingold has shown himself to be an honest campaigner. He won't become a divisive force in the general election. He's intelligent enough to realize that he has no chance of becoming the next President, and he'll wholeheartedly support the President in the General Election. While the Republicans might try to use his primary challenge to weaken the President (as they tried to do with Senator Clinton's supporters), he'll certainly put stop to that.

The President is being pushed, hard, to the right. A little push to the left cannot hurt.
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01:01 PM on 05/15/2011
A primary run by Feingold or anyone on the Left is a d.umb idea.
Plain and simple.

Any party that primaries their sitting incumbent president is guaranteed to lose the general election, regardless of the result of that primary.

All you people who keep suggesting this as some sort of means of "pushing the president back to the left" need to study history a bit more astutely, starting with recent history which would well inform you that this president has always been centrist and a moderate, and going all the way back to see what happened to the last 3 incumbent presidents (both Republican and Democrat) who were primaried by their own parties (Hint : Look at the last 3 one-term presidents)
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weebils
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04:18 PM on 05/15/2011
They won't listen. They are the left version of the tea party. Both extremes are going to destroy this country.