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10:06 PM on 06/02/2011
Gee... I guess that's what happens when you've deliberately dumbed down your own population over the years - you've got to go looking for skilled workers in other countries.
09:01 PM on 06/03/2011
Well, someday the skilled workers from other countries might help "brighten" the populations here?
Disclaimer: From a personal perspective, I never consider anyone less or more bright, it is all the lifestyle and upbringing
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nyjjc
09:37 PM on 06/02/2011
I can only see this from my perspective as an IT professional.

Here's an idea - how about instead of keeping these folks here, we start to limit the use of items like the H1B visa. I've yet to meet ONE guy from India who can do anything that an American IT worker can't. And wasn't the whole point of the H1B to bring people here who could provide a service an American couldn't?

OUR people need jobs. But let's keep farming them out to foreigners willing to work for peanuts (and send a large chunk of the money back home to their family) so wages overall get drive further down.

I'm all for immigration. Our nation was built upon it. But we do need to put our OWN people to work.

To me, this is yet another GOP plan to clandestinely drive down wages. That's it.
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GravitonX
10^300 bosons could care less.
09:45 PM on 06/02/2011
As a IT manager, it's clear to me that India has a far deeper committment to developing IT talent, and it's now glaringly obvious in the resumes. It used to be the average American was better and could compete. This is no longer the case. The specific sets of skills we need are found more often with Indian talent. It's just the reality. American IT workers, typically, come from smaller IT houses and either don't have the background in the enterprise level platform, applications or hardware, or have out-dated skill sets.
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nyjjc
09:54 PM on 06/02/2011
Well, then we must agree to disagree.
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RobietheCat
Welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants
11:02 PM on 06/04/2011
You an IT manager?

Hahahaha. Too funny.

And you pretend to know something about global IT skill sets? Funny.

American IT workers, typically come from smaller IT 'houses?'

IT 'house' is not a phrase used in IT.

Sure you're a manager.......

Wasn't the internet invented in mexico? You 'manage' it right?
09:07 PM on 06/03/2011
You know, the question may not be whether an American CAN do the same job or not. Most likely, a typical American worker can run circles around the foreign worker. But the point is, the unemployment rate in the tech sector is just 4%, and it can be plausible, with a little benefit of doubt, that the IT industry is unable to find an AVAILABLE US citizen worker in their area of operations.
The industry likes H1B's possibly also because they are more than willing to relocate, and at their own cost. This is the ONE thing I can say, that foreign workers do better than citizens. Hope my answer is satisfactory :)
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11:53 PM on 06/15/2011
Where do you live - 4% unemployment in tech sector, can't be Seattle. Please share there are tens of thousands of highly talented American citizens with Microsoft experience seeking jobs.
09:35 PM on 06/02/2011
Coming to your neighborhood soon. Death by drug cartels.
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doublehappi
12:53 AM on 06/03/2011
irrelavent
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doublehappi
12:53 AM on 06/03/2011
irrelevant
09:51 PM on 06/03/2011
double-irrelevant :p
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Chamique Parker
09:24 PM on 06/02/2011
Why can't we train people who here legally to do these job.
09:34 PM on 06/02/2011
Because we don't need them 5 years down the road (when they start to really get pumping with programming). We need them now.
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09:34 PM on 06/02/2011
Nothing about this category of workers involves people who are here illegally. This is about raising quotas in categories that have existed for decades. Nominally, the H-1B work visas are the primary category that allows companies to hire high-skill foreign talent under demonstrated need, such as a critical shortage of domestic counterparts.
09:12 PM on 06/03/2011
H1B is not an immigrant visa. Please dont confuse matters. I do hope they are not talking H1B here, but real Immigrant visas. This is a huge miscampaign, to equate Immigration with H1B visa. Let's rid our skulls of this wrong knowledge and start seeing legal immigration as a matter of greencards
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FreedomFighter2012
09:24 PM on 06/02/2011
The reason they don't mind is because it takes care of their CEO buddies.
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Chris Herz
09:24 PM on 06/02/2011
Yeah Reno, the USA graduated 59,000 engineers last year and the economy could not (for the first time in history) absorb all of them. The Chinese graduated 600,000 and employ every one.
The real reason for the interest in expansion of the H1B visa program: We can totally degrade education and get rid of those over-paid, over-benefited teachers. We have found it so much cheaper to import a doctor or computer engineer, and now even masons and carpenters than to educate our own and the best of it is they are educated on someone else's taxes!
09:17 PM on 06/03/2011
So, do I hear a view that hints that socialism is better than capitalism?

It appears so to me too, in the matter of education. US tax payer money goes to war and other bullying activities. Just put the money in education! Subsequently there will be no need for war, because you will be flexible/intelligent enough to adapt to the world conditions
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11:45 PM on 06/15/2011
Bingo! Check out yesterday's Dan Rather Reports, No Thanks For Everything expose on how corporate H1b visa abuse directly impact American tech workers - jobless Americans replaced by guest workers. Powerful.

http://www.hd.net/programs/danrather/
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
09:22 PM on 06/02/2011
"In addition to skilled workers, the group announced that it would also focus on access to network spectrum, cyber security issues,"....meaning they want more Chinese workers for government cyber security jobs. By orders of Beijing.
09:53 PM on 06/03/2011
Two words: "security clearance". Hope, enough for you
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StopThePlanet
Outlaw stupidity and only outlaws will be stupid
09:17 PM on 06/02/2011
More abuse of work visas. More reasons for Americans not to invest in education because they will not be able to get jobs due to cheap foreign labor.
02:02 AM on 06/05/2011
Excuse makers will always be what they are
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StopThePlanet
Outlaw stupidity and only outlaws will be stupid
09:08 AM on 06/06/2011
You are suggesting that my assertions are false?
02:24 PM on 06/06/2011
is there anything that makes you think otherwise? "I wont have my dinner because Tommy is playing"
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Reno Fickler
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09:13 PM on 06/02/2011
These "immigrants" are not the German scientists we embraced after WWII.
Unless roofing your house is as complicated as the moon shot.
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GravitonX
10^300 bosons could care less.
09:39 PM on 06/02/2011
Nearly the equivalent. The bulk are IT engineers, architects, and project managers. Talent businesses desperately need.
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OnTheRoadAgain
Snowden / Manning 2016
11:00 PM on 06/02/2011
Almost correct. "IT" was never about "talent", but rather, getting into an application space and spending the bulk of one's time improving their moat. Throwing feces in a cube. Creative incompetence. The traditional approach to software productivity has been not improved tools, methodologies and management, but rather one of "cheaper by the pound" Post Y2K, the Indians played this game extremely well, and have now moved up the food chain. Good on them.
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StopThePlanet
Outlaw stupidity and only outlaws will be stupid
01:30 PM on 06/08/2011
There is talent here. Businesses just don't want to pay what they are worth in the US market so they turn to third world countries to maximize their profits temporarily. Ultimately it ends up reducing money that is available in the economy that can be spent on new products for businesses so the greedy executives and shareholders cut their own throats. Just look to Wal Mart for this example.
09:08 PM on 06/02/2011
Now, this is the type of immigration reform Americans should be completely afraid of. Why? Well foreign skilled workers will take jobs from Americans. Instead of competing with laborers, now, educated Americans will have to compete with foreign workers' wages which are usually less than what are paid to American workers. Immigration from Latin American are not a threat to wages as immigrants from India, China and other countries where the level of education is equal and/or surpasses that of Americans. You see, most Americans are educated. They work for better wages than laborers. Be assured, this is not going to be the case when American workers have to compete with equally educated workers that would work for far less.
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phoenixx1
Get up, Stand up
09:23 PM on 06/02/2011
Bullseye!
09:55 PM on 06/03/2011
not eye --- something more err.. unmentionable
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09:26 PM on 06/02/2011
As you probably know, this is the H-1B work visa category of talent importation. India and China and South America are the greater talent pools, in addition to Europe. It's been happening for decades with the corporations continually lobbying for raising of quotas. That imported talent is not legally paid less than a US-born worker would get, supposedly.
09:56 PM on 06/03/2011
H1B != Immigration
Greencards = Immigration

Let's talk, the day H1B == Immigration is true.
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Yorksgal
The Golden Rule Rules
08:58 PM on 06/02/2011
GOPT - Hypocritical pieces of human garbage. Meanwhile, our highly skilled workers are working as baristas and that is if they are lucky.
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
08:56 PM on 06/02/2011
Psst.................Hello Big Business?

This is the GOP.......................... have we got a deal for you.................

You know those jobs, the ones you're so tired of paying Americans "middle class wages" for?..............

"We can fix that for you.................just write a check for our campaigns, and consider it done."
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itschuck2c
08:50 PM on 06/02/2011
Nope, how about we train our own skilled workers..
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Mobu
In the age of information ignorance is a choice
09:13 PM on 06/02/2011
How are they going to train them? either you got it or not, Bill Gates was not train to be smart or Albert Einstein was not train to be a genius. Just look at all our top Universities who is running the science, math, engineering programs and the list goes on and on. The American worker is not was it use to be 20 or 30 years ago, with that said we still have geniuses out there.

Remember the article is talking about skill workers the next Einstein the next Sikorsky the next Pulitzer not who can run your local Wal-mart for that yes you can train anybody.
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atx888
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09:15 PM on 06/02/2011
Skill and talent are two different things. Skills can be acquired through education and/or training, but not talent. You either have it or you don't, like an artist or business entreprenuer. We need foreign talent here or they will be competing against us from a foreign country.
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doublehappi
12:57 AM on 06/03/2011
Perfect
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
08:46 PM on 06/02/2011
We must say no to this. These skilled workers are a brain drain on the countries they come from who educated them. They come here and are overwhelmingly Republican when they get the right to vote. This is a way to empower the Republican party and to keep them from educating American.
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atx888
micro-bio empty bcuz my brain needs the space
09:23 PM on 06/02/2011
I would rather have a brain drain from foreign countries into the US than the other way around. Why empower foreign countries to compete against us? These folks graduated from our best schools and are subsidized by out taxpayers, and then go back to their home countries to compete against us?
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
10:19 PM on 06/02/2011
How about educating our own people? This is a complete political ploy that will weaken our country by helping to empower Republican politics that have led us in the wrong direction and left us here where we are today. These people take away jobs from Americans.
10:02 PM on 06/03/2011
Your words sound most phony. Please give up this line. And if YOU are uneducated why blame someone else? Learn to accept responsibility. After all, isn't America THE free country?
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
09:34 AM on 06/06/2011
Talk about phony!
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ObamAtomic
08:42 PM on 06/02/2011
Where Are the Jobs For Americans?
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Mobu
In the age of information ignorance is a choice
09:23 PM on 06/02/2011
Their out their you just have to look, purchase the Sunday newspaper or go online and you will find a job, now it may not be what you are looking for or the money is not what you expected ,we need to realize good jobs are not coming back until we find the next bubble sad but true.
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ObamAtomic
10:29 PM on 06/03/2011
How many jobs republicans created so far?
10:04 PM on 06/03/2011
Depends. If they mean H1B, then tough luck. Otherwise, if they're talking greencards, the jail keys of this economy will be out
Qs is, how will you, a US citizen, will choose to play your cards?
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ObamAtomic
10:28 PM on 06/03/2011
What you are barfing?

How many jobs CON created to this date?
10:59 PM on 06/03/2011
What do you mean CON?

If you mean H1B, then the law says H1B cant create companies, and if they do, they are not allowed to work for it. Do you have any doubt about this ridiculous law? Let me know and I can provide you the links

And if you agree with me that the law is being ridiculous, would you take my side and fight against your government for your freedom and mine?