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02:35 PM on 06/14/2011
The greatest irony, is that all these candidates talk about doing everything at the state level, yet only about 17 states at last count contributed more to the federal government than took from it. That means only a handful of mostly blue states could actually do things the GOP way, and the rest of the country, including most of the red states, would have nothing. Luckily, no one in the MSM media will ever, ever, at any cost, point this out.

The 2nd greatest irony, is all but Paul thought there should be a federal constitutional amendment to re-define marriage. That is one of a few areas where a big, intrusive government is just fine. Bachman, of course wanted it both ways, with a federal amendment and leaving it up to the states.
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luckyt
02:27 PM on 06/14/2011
Last night the candidates made it perfectly clear that they are against Gays, Moslem's, abortion, health care for those that can't afford it, labor unions, and minimum wage. They are for Neo-Liberal economic Free Trade Policies (supply-side), no taxes for Corporations, the rich, and free of all regulation. And their solution to everything is to go back to the Reagan, Bush, Greenspan: supply-side economics that caused the problems in the first place. They are now against the wars that they were for when Bush was President and accusing Democrats of being against the troops and unpatriotic, They are now Like Sarah Palin foreign policy experts. Except for Ron Paul and I believe Cain they are all Vietnam draft dodgers.
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MoCatWoman
08:33 PM on 06/14/2011
Don't forget Medicare and Social Security -- two huge items that millions of Americans depend on, as they just hold on to being middle class or lower.....
Listening to their list of things they want to destroy, I kept thinking: "are there really that many multi-millionaires/billionaires out there to vote them into office"???
02:03 PM on 06/14/2011
In a concerted effort to destroy Obama the GOP ill only succeed in destroying themselves because they've been 'inventing' reasons, facts and bumper sticker phrases and just plain NO!!! and have no new inspiring message. They've even disowned their very own good ideas. They're left with the only option left which is to LIE even more. Let's watch and have fun.
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idealist2
01:53 PM on 06/14/2011
The Republicans number one priority is seeing President Obama not get re-elected.
They would rather trash the economy, than see President Obama get elected.
Senator Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican Leader, stated earlier this year that seeing President Obama not get re-elected is his number one priority. The Republicans are afraid that reducing unemployment and creating jobs will help President Obama get re-elected.
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noaxe397
01:46 PM on 06/14/2011
That's why Huntsman and Romney are not to be so easily dismissed, as Obama Democrats seem to want to do. They can both appeal to latinos and youth voters if only they can distance themselves from the fetid, necrotic base of their party.
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Sonoma Shiva
02:46 PM on 06/14/2011
Yeah most Mormon's have never seen anyone in Utah that isn't just like them. Pfffhhhhttt. Latinos & youth vote getting energized by Mormons. Right.
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noaxe397
04:41 PM on 06/14/2011
By Utah standards Huntsman is a flaming liberal. Romney is not associated with Utah to any great extent and when he is, it is as the guy who saved the 2002 winter olympics FROM the Mormons.
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4eva
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12:38 AM on 06/15/2011
Romny is not from Utah.
09:45 PM on 06/14/2011
Appeal to Latinos and younger voters (you can be both, you know) how? By denying them healthcare, student aid, and a comprehensive immigration policy? And how does a Republican candidate distance himself from the base and still get nominated? And why should that base turn out to vote for someone who kept them at arms' length?
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noaxe397
09:59 AM on 06/15/2011
"And how does a Republican candidate distance himself from the base and still get nominated? And why should that base turn out to vote for someone who kept them at arms' length?" You could ask these same questions about Democrats.
01:41 PM on 06/14/2011
Why are they even bothering to have debates? The Republican philosophy boils down to "government cant solve problems- government IS the problem." Therefore they cannot offer solutions. Their collective campaign slogan should be "I'm running because i want to be part of the problem."
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BBackSoon
Hello, I must be going.
03:01 PM on 06/14/2011
Except when it comes to Gays or Women's Reproductive Rights.
04:57 PM on 06/14/2011
You know, I don't know why GOP candidates cling to those ideals. I'm very conservative but I still think a woman should be FREE to chose and I still think anyone should be FREE to chose who they love and live with in marriage. I really like Ron Paul and his freedom ideas, but then he wants to amend the Constitution to conform to HIS view of FREEDOM? I just don't get it.

Freedom is freedom, and some of these GOP candidates need to decide just how free and regulation free they want the government.
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
12:13 AM on 06/15/2011
You've found it, the main point of cognitive dissonance that forms the black hole around which they circle!!! Well done!
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pooki
01:39 PM on 06/14/2011
The Repubs are pushing the same policies that got us into this meltdown and they want to double down by continuing to erode women's personal rights, the no taxes mantra, and eliminate Medicare as we know it (talk about death panels). Medicare isn't perfect, but it does work. I think it would be a disaster to seriously consider putting them back in power even if Rick Perry and Sarah Palin aren't running. Just putting people to work and paying taxes would put money back into the economy; not having the 2 trillion dollar wars would have left money in the economy. Turns out, too, that Bin Laden was taken out and we didn't need a war to do that.
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rebelriser
artist, published author, activist
04:58 PM on 06/14/2011
The problem is that Republicans have among their followers, the dumbest persons who walk this earth. People who don't question any of the shady deals of republicans and who are not curious enough to wonder how republicans can carry out the same flawed Republican & Bush policies but have different results. They need to be called out on their beliefs and questioned about how they can make old non working policies work.
05:02 PM on 06/14/2011
GREAT! Now just who do you think is going to put all these people back to work? Those on Medicare? I just don't get the liberal way of thinking - honestly. You want the government to take care of everyone - so eventually you have a level playing field where there are no rich (because you want to tax them into poverty) and then who is going to pay - where is the government going to get the money to continue to dole it out to the public?

I'm not saying there isn't a huge disparagy between the rich and the poor....that's what regulations will get you. Do you not realize that the politicians are getting their pockets lined by the lobbyist who want the regulations worded in such a way that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer? That is NOT a free economy. Get rid of the regulations, get rid of the lobbyist (remember how Obama wasn't going to let them in his White House - he lied), and the economy will take care of itself. The politicians are regulating the economy to death.
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oafishcad
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01:37 PM on 06/14/2011
This is a little off topic, but wouldn't it be nice if every candidate was required to take a course in critical thinking? Wouldn't it be nice if critical thinking was a required course in all our schools. Clearly, on most subjects, the "debaters" last night did not ever think through the logical conclusion of what they were advocating.
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ssfahrer
04:27 PM on 06/14/2011
Perhaps "thinking' should be put on the "critical" list-- because it gets in the way of ACTION!
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rebelriser
artist, published author, activist
05:06 PM on 06/14/2011
Right. And their supporters also need some lessons on critical thinking, because they do NOT think, but repeat lines of hate jocks who admit they can say just about anything and those dummie supporters believe them.
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oafishcad
No Facebook so...
01:31 PM on 06/14/2011
I've been saying sort of the same thing. I would actually vote for a Republican if they had some new ideas. But I guess if you have new ideas, you can't be a Republican. They just ALL, except maybe Ron Paul, keep mouthing EXACTLY the same ideas that caused the economic meltdown as the solution to the economic meltdown. This is textbook insanity, repeating the same behavior and expecting a new result. Then of course there's the gotta hate the gays, illegals are bad, but we have no solutions, the only amendment we care about is the 2nd usualness. If they came up with actual solutions, workable solutions without the exclusion and theocracy, I'd vote for them. But as I said, if they did those things, they couldn't be a Republican.
05:10 PM on 06/14/2011
Please do some research before you want to lay the blame at the Republican's feet. It was BOTH parties that created this mess. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd insisted that Freddie and Fannie get out housing loans that people could not possibly pay back. Bush and the Republican Congress should have stopped them dead in their tracks, but they didn't. As much as I am NOT a fan of Bush, he did at least try to warn Congress of the repercussions of these loans that the Democrats insisted be made available. The Democrats actually threatened legal action if the loans were not made to people who couldn't afford them.

Stop, stop, stop saying it was all the Republicans who created this mess. It was not. Do your homework - stop listening and regurgitating what you hear on MSNBC. DO YOUR RESEARCH!

If any party is continuing and repeating the same behavior and expecting new results its the Democrats. The stimulus continued to dole out money to those who didn't need it or placed such restrictions on it that it was not helpful in spurring the economy. This is EXACTLY the same behavior of Dodd and Barney Frank. Give money to those that cannot pay it back - what help is that to the economy? And you think the Republicans are solely to blame and keep doing the same things over and over? DO YOUR RESEARCH! The Dems are just as bad as the Republicans.
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oafishcad
No Facebook so...
05:23 PM on 06/14/2011
80% of the foreclosed loans were not to those poor folks, so the economy would have crashed anyway. The "deregulation" mantra of the GOP, bought by many Democrats, caused the crash, when we got rid of regulations on financial institutions put in place after the depression. But it's also tax cuts for the wealthy and free trade agreements that caused the perfect storm to outsource our manufacturing base. And all I heard in the debate was deregulation, tax cuts and free trade. No solutions, just more of what caused the problems.
01:27 PM on 06/14/2011
Apparently, their hope is that if they pass enough voter registration and ballot-casting laws, the millenials and latinos won't vote.
04:16 PM on 06/14/2011
IDs are pretty simple to get.
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leftbehind2000
If money = speech, then no speech is free.
01:12 PM on 06/14/2011
You make it sound like elections are up to the voters. Now that is just plain silly.
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
01:03 PM on 06/14/2011
I'd say the GOP have as of now alienated:
All Muslims, LGBT's, union members--(teachers, firemen, policemen, among others),
MORE blacks, women, Boomers, and all those recent college graduates who won't find jobs this year or next. Add that to the recently unemployed now unemployable, the Dem base, and those who lost homes and/or ~1/2 their investments in the 2007-8 meltdown and can't afford to retire.

The numbers add up to a diminished GOP voting base.
Re-branding would only be another lie. It's too late.
The lights are on in America; the disgruntled are merely being quiet about it.
01:08 PM on 06/14/2011
You only miss one point, abeit a large one, that a Dim is the current prez and will pay for a bad economy.
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
01:25 PM on 06/14/2011
The next administration will be in even more hot water, whichever party gains the Oval Office.
01:51 PM on 06/14/2011
When you refer to the commander in chief as a 'dim' at a time of war, you give aid and comfort to America's enemies.
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Larry Aleshire
12:58 PM on 06/14/2011
the RNC has a single game plan that will benefit only the rich top tier and corporations who are already getting quite wealthy in spite of the sluggish economy. they are not helping to create jobs as would be the norm and want less government spending to reduce their tax contributions even more. this country cannot survive if these old feudal-like ideologies persist. ask the RNC this, how many jobs were exported during the bush years to save money?.... how many were created? and do you think the RNC has a line item in their game plan to create jobs? if American corporations that contribute heavily to the RNC have the population of this country in its best interest, jobs would have been created in this economic growth period. READ people! and stop sucking on murdoch root. it is toxic.
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powermuffn
Humble, progressive viewpoints since 1972
02:14 PM on 06/14/2011
Well said. The ultimate goal, the ultimate SOLUTION for the Republicans, is the complete anihillation of the middle class and the jobs they used to have; the destruction of any social safety-net programs that keep the lower class from becoming destitute and homeless; and a social/cultural agenda that succeeds in isolating as our leaders WHITE, CONSERVATIVE, EVANGELICAL-CHRISTIAN MALES as the sole heirs of the country's power. The average American will become not only irrelevant, but extinct.
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ssfahrer
04:32 PM on 06/14/2011
AMEN !
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
10:26 AM on 06/15/2011
I have to say you have me ready to raise my fist and holla! Fanned..and faved..
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
09:00 PM on 06/14/2011
Bravo! And well stated.
MThomasNC
Retired, Sassy, Senior Citizen
12:52 PM on 06/14/2011
What I saw last night in the debate was a second rate carnival act featuring the four trick dog and pony show repeated over and over by each candidate. Four tricks - cut taxes, deregulate, repeal Obamacare, free markets/no government.
Every answer to our problems was cut taxes, deregulate, repeal Obamacare, free markets/no government.
Nothing new here, folks. They are peddling the same things that caused the problems to be the cure.
12:52 PM on 06/14/2011
For sure the GOP Re-brand itself, it did show how much they are trying to prove to us how much crazy they are.