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Joel Wischkaemper
03:28 AM on 07/25/2011
The Solution..... Detain and deport. Make E Verify mandatory for all, and implement the Real I.D. as quickly as you possible can.

Mr. Obama wants to 'force' this on us very badly. I think that would be a very, very bad move.
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canoebum
I'd rather be fishing just now
01:50 PM on 07/25/2011
Sure. But then when they tell you your id is no longer good and you have to submit endless documents to prove who you are and if you were born here and that you have to carry the approved id at all times, you and people who think like you will start screaming BIG BROTHER and whining to get the government off your backs.
02:44 AM on 07/25/2011
From free trade with communist China, to H-1b work visa fraud, to NAFTA, to open borders and illegal hiring...the American worker is under attack. Immigration means more labor in the market, which does benefit employers because they can now pay YOU LESS. And the fact is the middle class is in a decades long decline. Not just immigration, not just work visas, not just free trade with communist dictatorships...it's all of these together.

Profits are record high because corporations offshore to places where workers have no rights, or they import foreign workers on work visas, or they hire illegals.

What we are seeing is a nation decline into third world status. A few are making massive profits as the population increases beyond the resources available. Look to India's poor or to China's poor for the model of the future. A few in those countries are billionaires while billions remain in crushing poverty with no chance of making their lives better.

Our leaders see this and they see opportunity. If they can import enough people they will dismantle the middle class and once the middle class is gone they will have total control. Notice that unions are dead. All that is left is to dismantle the rest of the middle class protections like Social Security and Medicare. Granting amnesty to millions of illegals will help to swell the ranks of Medicare recipients to the breaking point.

The debt limit debate now is just part of this larger issue. It's all connected.
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02:34 AM on 07/25/2011
The dream act needs to be dropped ,colleges do not have endless space , American kids should not have to compete with illegal kids for an education in their own country ,,
02:21 AM on 07/25/2011
This is not a Republican issue, this is an American issue and if Obama wants to be President of Mexico, then let him keep on about the Dream Act and Amnesty (pathways). He'll get the latino vote and NO ONE ELSES. See how that works out. I find it outrageous that he is taking time away from the duties of his office to meet with La Raza concerning the issues facing 14 million NON citizens over those issues of actual Americans. The only thing the American people want to hear from Obama on immigration is expanded and stricter enforcement of the existing laws. Anything short of that will cost him votes and most likely the election.
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Hacim Obmed
01:44 AM on 07/25/2011
I almost feel sorry for the incompetent way the Latino community has handled the immigration issue. First I wont even begin to go over the merits of their case; the obvious difficulty of granting amnesty for persons who enter illegally is self evident. In my opinion it will be a cold day in hell before it happens. The real political problem they now face is that they have totally burnt their bridges to the mainstream of the republican party by switching to Obama in the last election. Republicans will remember this a long time and will never again go out on a limb the way Bush and Mc Cain did. Nobody knows this better then Obama. He knows that the Latino vote has no alternative but to back him and they are in his pocket regardless of what he does. So he will continue to string them along and make nice speeches and then sell out their interests at the first opportunity. Welcome to hardball politics in the good old USA. The lesson is that you never demand something which is just impossible (i.e. Amnesty) and you never get boxed into a political corner where all your support comes from only one party. To get leverage you need to have feet in both camps.
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dtairtime
It is what it is
12:24 AM on 07/25/2011
Frank Sharry has six points at the end of his article. Here is what the results and impacts would be if we were so short sighted and implemented his ideas.

1. Instant legalization for 3 or so million illegals up to 35 years old. They could be gang members and have two criminal convictions. They will daisy chain in millions more family members. Millions of foreigners with kids will see this chance at the lottery and come here.

2. It would require costly court battles to convict illegals who we currently deport instead. It would also subject citizens to thousands of criminal illegals who haven't been caught at something serious - yet.

3. Huge incentive for illegals to ignore our laws. The industry of marriage fraud would be widespread.

4. Bullying? How is demanding the law be enforced considered bullying?

5. Due to recent events showing the Obama administration attempting a backdoor amnesty, control over the DOJ is necessary.

6. Simply put a myth about the accuracy of e-verify.
http://www.dhs.gov/journal/leadership/2008/05/debunking-e-verify-error-rate.html
It just gets more accurate all the time. In fact we could use Sharry's argument against him - since virtually every social program has FAR higher error rates, shouldn't we stop those programs first?

If the author gets his way we may as well have no borders at all. Which would also mean no employee protections, no environmental laws, no natural resources, no social programs and no future.
03:21 AM on 07/25/2011
1. Its not instant. It takes a few months to process an application. Then during the first 6 years they must complete at least 2 years of college or military. 5 years later they can become permanent residents and 3 years later finally become bitizens.

The act allows up to 2 small misdemeanors. An higher misdemeanor or felony would outright exclude from applying.

2. You can only apply if you have a clean criminal record (or up to 2 LOW LEVEL MISDEMEANORS) so whoever got convicted and is in removal proceedings will stay that way. If applicant would have a clean record, apply and then commit crime their temp status would get taken away and they would get deported.

Also again, the bill will not benefit anyone who arrived less than 5 years after its enactment or after.

3. You cannot sponsor a spouse until you are at least a permanent resident (something that would take 11 years under the current version).

4. No trial, no lawyer, just an ultimatum of you sign the voluntary departure form or your life till we do all the necessary paperwork will be very stressful. Pretty sure there is 'something' in the bill of rights regarding this, no?

5. If obama wanted as you called it "backdoor amnesty" he could issue an executive order ordering halting of deportations, etc. In fact the number of deportations has reached record numbers under his administration. Second, Attorney General is appointed by the president.
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dtairtime
It is what it is
09:08 AM on 07/25/2011
1. It's instant. They would face no fear of being here illegally. Yes their final paperwork would take a while. Not bad since TAXPAYERS would pay thousands for each illegal to get processed. College can be mail order basket weaving. Military - it's a joke since an over riding hardship waiver allows all of them latitude to do nothing.
Can be bang members and have unlimited arrests. (the best and brightest - HAHA)

2. Lots of arrests and TWO convictions from crimes is NOT by any sane persons standard clean.

3. Then the flood of millions of family would begin. Rewarding the parents too who brought these 35 year old "children" here.

4. If you are in this country illegally you are not allowed full use of every taxpayer provided service and protection. Leave and use YOUR own countries resources to fight your deportation.

5. He couldn't do that since it is unconstitutional. Immigration is a federal power reserved for congress to enact legislation on. Or do you disagree with their fighting AZ immigration law while thumbing their noses at CA and MN amnesty laws???
10:13 AM on 07/25/2011
As pointed out in another post, there are two versions of the Dream Act but they are very similar......and a few bits not covered in this thread - a "student" is not required to get a degree, just two years of attendance over an eight year time frame, plus just the act of submitting the application for eligibility can stop any chance of deportation proceedings. The Dream Act(s) need major tweaking.
11:19 PM on 07/24/2011
Why do you suppose that Obama, our Pander in Chief, hasn't followed through on his promises to the Latino community? Is it because he doesn't believe in the cause? Is it because he doesn't want to pander to a large a growing political group? No, it's because he manages by poll and he knows that there is widespread and growing, bi-partisan anger over how out of control this whole illegal immigrant invasion become.

Obama will dance and bob and weave on this speech to La Raza -- a group he shouldn't even be addressing -- but don't expect anything. Why? Because people like me will make fax lines smoke if he if even hints at doing anything other than what he is stumblingly doing now -- Chipotle audits, Secure Communities, deportations. Love it.
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gman123
How anyone votes GOP is beyond me
01:00 AM on 07/25/2011
Out of control?

- Obama has deported way more immigrants than Bush has

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0812/Obama-as-border-cop-He-s-deported-record-numbers-of-illegal-immigrants
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/06/AR2010100607232.html

and

- Illegal border crossings are down compared to previous years

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/01/nation/la-na-immigration-20100902
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2010/0330/At-the-Mexico-border-a-harder-line-on-illegal-immigrants

In addition, Obama is not actively pushing for the Dream Act and he has assuredly disappointed immigrants groups. Just admit it, you really want all immigrants (especially brown and black) out of the country
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Gupdiver
We are in a period of Ineptocracy!
10:05 AM on 07/25/2011
The crossings are down do to the recession and the economy. It is also down do the number of states starting to pass laws to assist the federal government doing their job on immigration. If E-Verify was passed to be a requirement of all employers, you see the crossing higher going back than coming here.
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Alitoo
11:01 AM on 07/25/2011
You might also point out that the number of deportations is largely due to programs such as Secure Communities and 287(g) in which local communities help identify illegal aliens for deportation. Obama and others are trying to gut these programs. Of course, it's not hard to have more deportations that Bush--Bush was for amnesty from day one of his administration and even went against his own party to push it in 2006. It still failed. The increase in raids and deportations the last 2 years of his presidency was to try to make Americans more sympathetic to amnesty when they saw people being rounded up in raids. It didn't work.
11:11 PM on 07/24/2011
"It would keep 770,000 legal American workers from getting jobs, impose an unfunded mandate on small businesses..."

If eVerify isn't perfect, it will be improved through use. Any American or legal immigrant who eVerify shows to be ineligible would presumably want to know this and fix it. This is no reason not to use eVerify. The cost to an employer for using eVerify is trivial, not a burden in the least. This can't be raised as an obstacle. If an illegal worker is passed by eVerify, we're no worse off than now, when anyone who wants to work and presents readily available forged documents, can work. So, again, eVerify is no worse than what we have now. There is no legitimate reason not to use eVerify other than the fact that it will reveal the mind boggling extent to which illegal workers have infiltrated the US.

Make eVerify mandatory immediately.
09:28 PM on 07/24/2011
Sounds like there's alot of good people that could use some serious protection. Let's get the ball moving on this!
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dbrett480
08:03 PM on 07/24/2011
The author paints this as Obama can either support Latinos wholeheartedly by supporting all of NCLRs initiatives, or he will be perceived as anti-Latino. Most people in American (Latinos included) support both the DREAM ACT and E-verify/Secure Communities, and Obama should as well.
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Quitcherbichin
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09:46 PM on 07/24/2011
I don't know where you get your information that MOST Americans support the dream act...because that is definitely not the case...as a matter of fact as time goes on, and the feds do nothing to curb illegal immigration, and deport the ones already here, BHO le's numbers keep dropping. Look for him to try to bs the Latino's into believing he is going to do something for them when the truth is his hands are tied.
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11:08 PM on 07/24/2011
On one hand, Bamster supporters claim he's deporting more illegal aliens than anyone else. On the other hand Bamster supporters claim he wants the DREAM Act passed and point to the fact that his administration has already bypassed Congress by giving ICE agents and officials "prosecutorial discretion" when it comes to enforcing immigration laws.
Will the REAL Barack Obama please stand up??
11:14 PM on 07/24/2011
You better believe his hands are tied. If he makes any move to do "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", which, if it doesn't include amnesty, will not be "comprehensive" enough for the illegal alien lobby, Obama will find out the hard way just how fired up and bi-partisan the anger has become about the illegal alien invasion.
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Hacim Obmed
02:02 AM on 07/25/2011
No patriotic american will ever support the DREAM act. It is just a vehicle the democrats use to pander for a few more sucker Latino votes. Look at the recent fiasco in Maryland over the proposal to let Illegals have in-state tuition at the university. There is overwhelming rejection of anything that smells of acceptance or toleration of Illegals in one of the bluest states in the Union. SO the game is over on illegal immigration. The people have spoken. There harts are hardened. They are sick of people who think they can violate the law and then don't even bother to apologize before expecting favors and special breaks. Once you break into this country through the back door you become an outlaw plain and simple. You are screwed and you will stay screwed till hell freezes over.
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seegray
Nobody can bring you peace but yourself (Emerson)
07:41 PM on 07/25/2011
Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them any more or less patriotic than you. Cons can just never admit that.
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juslin217
Don't assume you know what I think...
07:38 PM on 07/24/2011
doesn't matter WHAT Obama has to say...he will say one thing and throw you under the bus in the next minute....
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Skeptical Patriot
05:18 PM on 07/24/2011
The Latino community is the Achilles heal or the opportunity for long-term control for the Republicans. With 1 out 4 Americans below the age of 25 Latino, the single greatest shift in the electorate will take place over the next 10-20 years. Latino's have strong religious and family traditions yet understandable concern exists over the Right's immigration policies and lack of Latino representation in government and party.

Let me speak strongly for immigration reform and a broad welcoming for this generation of Americans. Our has been build on the contribution of immigrants and can only benefit greatly from a fully integrated community with our neighbors to the south. Our natural markets and trading block will be from Mexico to Brazil. These are growth economies with rapidly growing middle-classes and cultural ties with this next generation of Americans. We are in the same time zones, share historical connections and are now connected via the families of tens of millions of Americans.

Without growth in immigration, we are actually facing a decline in the number of young Americans and this will place additional strain on our already stagnant economy. This is the moment for both parties to realize that the future of the country and the future of their parties is directly linked to support of the growing Latino/American group of young people.
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
09:30 PM on 07/24/2011
Does Mexico really have a rapidly growing middle class?
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Skeptical Patriot
09:54 PM on 07/24/2011
Mexico has a number of challenges, including a thriving drug trade. However, the gov't implemented very aggressive incentives to build out private universities in the country to seed the next generation. You would be surprised by how large the middle class of Mexico has become and how affluent the country is. Mexico grew 5.5% in 2010, Peru 8.8%, Brazil - 7.5%
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azlegalcitizen
INDEPENDENT
02:04 AM on 07/25/2011
WELL OF COURSE, THEY ARE GROWING IN OUR COUNTRY DARN IT.
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Quitcherbichin
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09:50 PM on 07/24/2011
It would sure help the plight of Lation's if they would step up and help get rid of the gangs that are so prevalent in their communities. Would do worlds of good for the "image" too.
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gasface
04:33 PM on 07/24/2011
...In a Hispanic/Latino news paper in the middle east of the USA several months ago I read there are 50.5 million illegals in this country. Several days ago the Pew Center reported of the 50.5 million from 12 million @ the year 2000 mark, today, 30.3 million are made up of children under 8 years of age. Has that figure been factored in as a cost and money over run spent by hospitals? Hospital are closing because of costs. Some say total obstetrics and birth costs in round figures, are apprx $5 thousand dollars per child, born to illegal mothers, and social services supplies cash per child up till 18 @ $ 4 hundred dollars per month who channel 3 births per illegal woman, billed to the tax payer...Does any one remember what... "wrong-headed"... Eric Cantor complained about concerning the Mississippi floods? No, then go back and read up. A power block--true enough!
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PulSamsara
03:50 PM on 07/24/2011
Enforce the law.
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Quitcherbichin
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09:53 PM on 07/24/2011
Enforcement of immigration laws is going to be a major concern in the next elections...and seeing as how BHO le' refuses to enforce our immigration laws, that is going to come back to bite him in the butt.
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gman123
How anyone votes GOP is beyond me
01:02 AM on 07/25/2011
Enforce the law?

- Obama has deported way more immigrants than Bush has

http://www­.csmonitor­.com/USA/J­ustice/201­0/0812/Oba­ma-as-bord­er-cop-He-­s-deported­-record-nu­mbers-of-i­llegal-imm­igrants
http://www­.washingto­npost.com/­wp-dyn/con­tent/artic­le/2010/10­/06/AR2010­100607232.­html

and

- Illegal border crossings are down compared to previous years

http://art­icles.lati­mes.com/20­10/sep/01/­nation/la-­na-immigra­tion-20100­902
http://www­.csmonitor­.com/World­/Americas/­2010/0330/­At-the-Mex­ico-border­-a-harder-­line-on-il­legal-immi­grants
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Quitcherbichin
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07:30 PM on 07/25/2011
BHO le' ain't done squat..he has tried to circumvent the immigration laws at every turn..Payback is coming.l
02:36 PM on 07/24/2011
Can you imagine if the lead sentence read "On Monday, President Barack Obama will make a luncheon speech at the National Conference of the White Race annual conference in Washington, DC."? Again, Mr. Sharry advocated for the continued racial program proposed by a small but loud segment of the larger Latino population. What is telling about the piece is the order in which Latinos, according to Latino Decisions whatever that is, rank the items they are most concerned with. 1) An exception to the law based upon race 2) economy and jobs and 3) education ( which speaks volumes about the 50% dropout rate of this community.
11:23 PM on 07/24/2011
I'd be curious to see how many choices were offered in the poll. My guess, only four or five. If the pollsters had given seven or eight choices, education would have dropped even lower.
05:50 AM on 07/25/2011
lol, I thought the National Conference of the White Race was Congress. They've been going strong for 200+ years....
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Alitoo
11:13 AM on 07/25/2011
Of course, most of this country has HISTORICALLY BEEN WHITE, so of course, Congress has, too. If you want real racism, well, why do we have the Black Caucus and the Hispanic Caucus? These caucuses don't look out for anyone's interests except those of "their" people, not Americans in general.