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05:00 PM on 08/19/2011
An amazing article, with one huge flaw. While there are a lot of socio-economic issues in israel, you cannot fairly claim that the government has a "failed economic policy". Israel has seen strong economic growth since bibi took office, in the midst of a global slowdown.
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Cynthia Rays
peace in the valley seeker
05:00 PM on 08/19/2011
Israel is prosperous but it is not a democracy since in occupies millions of Palestinians and does not give equal rights to the Palestinian citizens of Israel. Israeli textbooks teach Israeli children that Arabs are a problem to be eliminated and Palestinians if they exist are backward.
Nurit Peled-Elhanan, " Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education"
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yonatan c
05:24 PM on 08/19/2011
since when do people under occupation get to vote in their occupier's government? That is ridiculous. As for Israeli Arabs, they are represented in the Knesset and throughout the government. your argument is flawed to the core
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Cynthia Rays
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05:36 PM on 08/19/2011
And why should Israel occupy and control millions of people, keeping them from freedom of movement to visit their relatives,attend their religious services, and attend school. Why is it demolishing their homes and land? Why do Israelis get almost all the water while the aquifers are in the West Bank? Within Israel, the schools are segregated. The laws for marriage and housing for Palestinian citizens of are different.
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BillZBubb
Cogito ergo sum. Cogito.
06:12 PM on 08/19/2011
So, you are defending an occupation of millions without their having any say in their own governance? I would suggest you look at the flaws in your position.
07:07 PM on 08/19/2011
Yeah, and the Palestinian kids are all taught that the Israelis should all be killed. I will take being called a "problem" any day rather than "should be driven into the sea".
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nltldoc
04:53 PM on 08/19/2011
Authoritarians vs. Humanists

Guess which ones represent the true nature of Judiasm...................
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Galilee
I boycott products from Syria & Gaza dictatorships
06:01 PM on 08/19/2011
Practical vs Suicidal.
Le'Chaim!
06:49 PM on 08/19/2011
nltldoc - not humanist and that is for sure.
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Talossa
Liberal. Pro-Israel. Recovering atheist.
04:48 PM on 08/19/2011
Israel is a secular, progressive democracy. The hope of the Palestinians is to destroy Israel's society by putting enough pressure on Israel so that it devolves into the same type of society as the rest of the Middle East, a society no longer worth fighting for.
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Cynthia Rays
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05:37 PM on 08/19/2011
How progressive is it to imprison millions of human beings because they are a different religion or of different ethnicity?
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BcemXAHA
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06:22 PM on 08/19/2011
They're not imprisoned, they're blocked from entering a land that they wish to exterminate from it's inhabitants. They're not blockaded because they are different, regardless of how much you want that to be the truth.
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07:32 PM on 08/19/2011
Can it really be called a prison if those inside built it and have the only keys to it?
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Tasies
06:29 PM on 08/19/2011
The biggest lie in the Mid-East.
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FearlessFreep
A radical leftist with a JS Woodsworth avatar.
06:44 PM on 08/19/2011
Secular and progressive is as secular and progressive does.
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Carl Caroli
I just don't understand people
04:40 PM on 08/19/2011
Until all the people realize they are being manipulated by their government, nothing will change. Humans are easily distracted, and easily convinced by political marketing machines to hate and blame others for their problems.
06:50 PM on 08/19/2011
You could just as easily be talking about the United States.
08:30 PM on 08/19/2011
Until the people realize that they are capable of manipulating their own government, nothing will change. It is a two way street.
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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
04:30 PM on 08/19/2011
In difference with Americans, many Israelis seem to still have the capacity to think and act. ;-)
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surfcityart
Soylent Green is dead people!
05:03 PM on 08/19/2011
Not without our money.
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yonatan c
05:27 PM on 08/19/2011
they get like .75 billion a year from us to spend on their own weapon systems. What are you talking about?
04:22 PM on 08/19/2011
Interesting write-up, but slightly more melodramatic than called for.

There isn't going to be a showdown of any sort. The protests will restart after a reasonable period of mourning and they will continue until the government makes some concessions that will appease some of the protesters while the rest either get bored or go back to school in September.

It doesn't work the way it does in the Arab World in Israel because people are relatively used to these kinds of attacks and the political messages that they produce. It is also a democracy with an extremely free press, so there isn't a centralized politburo that will 'change the message' or thugs that will go around breaking the bones of journalists if they write something the regime doesn't like.

It also will not work this way in Israel because the protests are so wide and the attacks on Eilat were so brazen that there really isn't much of a difference in the way that most of the protesters will see the security situation.

Netanyahu's response for now has nearly wall-to-wall support. That doesn't really detract from the demands that are being made on the social front.

Disregard everything I have written above if there is a major ground operation against Gaza.
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kvanness
Follow the money and the rest will make sense
04:08 PM on 08/19/2011
Signs of what's coming in the US?
04:07 PM on 08/19/2011
We're protesting because Israel NEEDS change..a massive shift in culture, a shift toward social justice, economic justice, political justice. We also need to end the occupation of the West Bank that's costing Israel so dearly, in so many ways. But we need to know, absolutely, that a nascent Palestinian State will not use 'statehood' as but a step in dismantling Israel...as some Palestinian figures have declared in past years. Peace, real peace, is the rational way for ALL of us here, Jews and Arabs and others.
05:01 PM on 08/19/2011
Great post. Couldn't agree more. The occupation needs to end, but not in a way that will put israelis at risk. Wish I could fan you again.
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BcemXAHA
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05:20 PM on 08/19/2011
Absolutely the occupation needs to end, but I was under the impression that the civil protests have gone out of their way to disassociate themselves from the I/P conflict. Am I wrong?

Furthermore, there was no occupation pre 67, yet the palestinians went out of their way to terrorize Israelis.

Israel gave the Sinai and gaza to the palestinians, and got what in return?

No more land for empty promises.
05:28 PM on 08/19/2011
You're correct...the protests are over internal, domestic issues. And correct also on the pre-1967 state of affairs. Land for paper isn't a good deal, agreed....a treaty has to be backed by real actions.
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mjredder
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03:51 PM on 08/19/2011
Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither.
05:02 PM on 08/19/2011
A great quote that has nothing to do with this article.
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mjredder
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03:24 PM on 08/22/2011
I've been trying to reply with the quote that addresses your comment, but I'm apparently not allowed to quote the actual article.
04:09 AM on 08/20/2011
How is this connected???
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mjredder
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11:06 AM on 08/22/2011
There's a sentence in the article about Israeli youth valuing security over democratic principles. That's why I posted that quote.