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twin1616
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07:45 PM on 08/26/2011
So the reason that they decided to check these schools was because there was a high number of students living below the poverty line. Beleive me schools in wealthier discricts need to be investigated, also. Rich people invented cheating. That's how they got rich.
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LATEACHER1X
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09:07 PM on 08/26/2011
No kidding. And how much of the taxpayers' dollars are they wasting on this nonsense? Where's the outrage about the poverty? That's the real cheating scam!
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danusgram
aww the flowers of spring are the best
02:31 PM on 08/28/2011
Stop no one is cheating I live in one of the highest ranked school systems in the entire country. This is in fact a higher socioeconomic area and the children come out with outstanding ACT and SAT scores...no one is cheating. That is the problem stop blaming the man for the failure in your community the anger is misplaced. You need to work to get rid of the cause of failure in your community. The entire school board, superintendents and teachers that are not able to teach!...
09:35 PM on 08/28/2011
Roll on danusgram, this time you had me at STOP BLAMING. If some people put half the effort into hard work, as they do blaming, the Asians would be jealous.
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KayAch7
A Delay Is Not A Denial...sometimes
07:05 PM on 08/26/2011
I feel sorry for those teachers that have felt pressured to cheat or else loose their jobs. But cheating is wrong, regardless. In this case, you gotta question and/or become the whistle blower if something does not seem right. All of this motivated by greed toward getting bonuses, rather than placing the welfare of the students first. As far as the standardized testing.........they su*ked even way before the No Child Left Behind Act. As a student who grew up in the public school system in the good 'ol 80's in NYC - we never had a chance darn anyway.
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danusgram
aww the flowers of spring are the best
02:36 PM on 08/28/2011
They should not feel pressured to cheat if they were competent in teaching and working to get the parents involved it takes a whole community. I can give you an example, I know a woman that is close to 40. She just gave birth to her 8th child! Her oldest is 20 and the next youngest to the baby is 2. She has no husband, no job, and no future career ambitions. She lives on public assistance. This summer two of her children 11 and 14 had to go to summer school as they were failing in school because many days she would make them stay home and babysit the other kids while she was out chasing a man that impregnated and left her with this last one. I point this example out because wouldn't it have been wonderful if she had spent her energy on her kids education versus chasing the man that impregnated her and left her?
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ironicisntit
08:03 PM on 08/28/2011
Your example contradicts your argument. It is exactly because of the issues surrounding poverty ( low income, unemployment, drug abuse, physical abuse, poor attendance, unstable home life, single parent homes, second language learners) that you stated that make expecting these students to perform on the standardized test as well as their wealthier counterparts completely insane. Teachers see this on a routine basis. Kids who come to school hungry, tired, in dirty clothes. They hear the sad, sometimes tragic family stories. Then the federal, state and local govt say "Let's all pass that test now."

You realize that there is absolutely no penalty, or repercussions for the student or the parent if the child doesn't pass. They cannot be retained, enrolled in extra classes or removed from the school. All responsibility falls on the teacher.
These teachers weren't getting bonuses if kids passed, they were keeping their jobs. Administrators can be fired, teachers can be fired, schools can be closed if the students can't pass the test.
One test, out of the whole school year.
Why is all the responsibility on teachers? Where is parental responsibility?

Cheating is wrong, but so is the system that created the atmosphere that made these teachers and administrators feel it was their only resort.
05:11 PM on 08/26/2011
Ah, of course, the teachers and principles, poor little dears, are victims - its the test's fault.

We all know where they learned this trick - from their crafty failing students. Every kid who ever failed a test blamed the test too.
05:22 PM on 08/26/2011
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twin1616
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07:47 PM on 08/26/2011
Don't blame the test or the principals...blame the system for putting that much pressure on them to do better or lose their jobs. Standardized tests are not good indicators of academic achievment.
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Nuttinbutdatruf
08:49 PM on 08/26/2011
I totally agree with you, Twin1616. I don't know where the idea that standardized tests are accurate measures of learning came from, but it's a very simplistic view of true education. The system puts too much emphasis on testing.
04:53 PM on 08/26/2011
That's what we get for having the No Child Left Behind act which its main purpose ultimately screws our education over. Why would they cut funding to schools that have children that perform poorly, if anything those kids need more funding and help. It's like the government is trying to destroy our education
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JohnnyAce Okeke
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04:50 PM on 08/26/2011
Now you see just how FAR certain people will go just to keep Black youth from succeeding in life. {{-_-}}
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22Keys
05:04 PM on 08/26/2011
Are you kidding me? You do know that they were cheating FOR the students, not against them.
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JohnnyAce Okeke
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05:07 PM on 08/26/2011
Well, that still proves my point. They are promoting people who don't need to be promoted so they can drag the rest of our race down. {{-_-}}
05:08 PM on 08/26/2011
I don't think he understands this.
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LATEACHER1X
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09:11 PM on 08/26/2011
It's not the teachers' fault that so many black youth live in poverty. But I guess you don't get that, either.
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JohnnyAce Okeke
GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™
09:26 PM on 08/26/2011
So them changing the test scores isn't their fault either, right? {{-_-}}
04:29 PM on 08/26/2011
Is it a Teacher's union or Cheater's union ?
uhavenoface
eat my shorts
11:21 AM on 08/27/2011
georgia teachers aren't unionized. u dum.
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Da-king
“My way of joking is to tell the truth. That’s
04:14 PM on 08/26/2011
I hope that they are investigating the department of education as well for the lousy job they have been doing.
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Nuttinbutdatruf
03:55 PM on 08/26/2011
Obviously, the wrong people are administering the tests! School employees should not be handling the tests in any way. If you want the results to be authentic, you need to find a way for the children to take the tests without the teachers having any chance of altering the answers.
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Dede Eagleburger
Beauty is in the eye of the makeup brush holder
04:21 PM on 08/26/2011
Well said. In our state, that's how it is. We don't have any access to the tests, and trust me, we don't want any.
01:48 PM on 08/26/2011
This is such an easy fix. Switch from a bubble-test format to portfolio assessment system. It's hard to cheat on an assessment that features a purposeful collection of student work that exhibits the student's efforts, progress, and achievement in real-world applications. Oh-- wait! Forgot. We can't do portfolios because the testing industry won't make the gazillions of dollars they make every year by selling the state ways to test our kids to death.
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Dede Eagleburger
Beauty is in the eye of the makeup brush holder
04:06 PM on 08/26/2011
F/F and wish it would let me give you the Insightful badge...!!! But no, that would make too much sense!
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Bryneen Gary
No cash no post
11:26 AM on 08/26/2011
Wow that's Bad, I would stick to teaching Art.
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KayAch7
A Delay Is Not A Denial...sometimes
06:17 PM on 08/26/2011
Haha lol!
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P Alan Greene
10:55 AM on 08/26/2011
Cheating is wrong. However, by 2014, without some big policy changes, there will only be two types of schools in this country-- schools that are failing and schools that are cheating. Districts need to decide which they're going to be and prepare for the consequences.
10:20 AM on 08/26/2011
Cheating is wrong no matter where or when or what the reason. However, the policies of the Bush Administration toward education were atrocious! Often time the addition of various course requirements DO NOT come with the additional resources or funding to support it. Under Bush education is centered toward task performance and not actual learning. In Bloom’s taxonomy of learning from the base up there is knowledge, comprehension, analysis, synthesis and evaluation. The testing used promotes only the bottom 2 at best which means education isn’t taking place so much as task attainment. No one I know that LOVES teaching is happy with seeing their students getting only part of what they are there for.

Schools that succeed do so because of involvement by the parents. Kids who have parents that work on homework with them, encourage them to read and try, and who attend parent-teacher night, those kids and those schools do very well. When we have a society so vested in material gain alone and unbridled capitalism where both parents have to work and will gladly work more than one job if possible, what are we to expect?
08:33 AM on 08/26/2011
They all cheat, it's just the ones that get caught that we hear about.
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Dede Eagleburger
Beauty is in the eye of the makeup brush holder
04:07 PM on 08/26/2011
No, they do NOT all cheat. Most of us, even with all the pressures put upon us, are above that sort of thing.
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Gadgetman
No sense of humor? That's not funny!
02:39 AM on 08/26/2011
This is no surprise when you have bogus policies like Bush's "Leave No School Standing" testing that reduces actual learning and forces teachers to teach to tests. This may raise some meaningless score to allow some politicians to claim our education system is improving but it is contributing to the lowering of actual learning.
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IndyVoter777
09:15 AM on 08/26/2011
Forces teachers to cheat? Only poor ethics forces anyone to cheat, period.
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P Alan Greene
11:06 AM on 08/26/2011
True enough. Schools also have the option to fail and thereby lose money and jobs, but they still have a choice, and cheating is never an ethical choice. Of course, some people have trouble hanging onto their good ethics with a gun pointed at their heads.
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Dede Eagleburger
Beauty is in the eye of the makeup brush holder
04:08 PM on 08/26/2011
He didn't say 'forces teachers to cheat', he says 'forces teachers to teach to tests'. None of this excuses the cheating, but the system is totally flawed.
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Craig2
Living in the great State of Jefferson
11:24 PM on 08/25/2011
Good evening, I believe it was Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney who said, "No harm. No foul." If it works in politics why not education. I think I'll just upgrade my BA to a PhD.