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Fireslayer
02:28 AM on 09/15/2011
How many jihadists bought the farm in this latest venture? Several I presume. They seem pretty desparate. They took no real estate, they killed more innocents than soldiers, It is probable the overall print out when the satellite data is in will lead to a fair number of the perps reaching Paradise when the cruises lay it down.

Where is all this going? How do we reach these people and mutually come to a better way to do business than killing each other?

Nothing has changed except reail terrorists keep up the fight against wholesale terrorists. It is hoped the point is made well enough to bring the Pakistan based Taliban to taks. This brutual equation has yet to bear fruit. Time for some rethink.
02:19 AM on 09/15/2011
I was in Vietnam during the Tet offensive. the enemy lost every encounter, but American liberals made it out to be a great victory. obama supporters will always give him a pass, but as the taliban know obama is getting ready to cut and run, they can say this was the start of our defeat.
08:05 AM on 09/15/2011
They lost every encounter but how come we are told otherwise? This means that our own history books are bullshit.
07:03 PM on 09/15/2011
I'm not sure which books you are reading. I was in intel during while in Vietnam and saw many of the reports of the attacks. My base was also attacked. I am not aware of any engagement where the viet cong or nva came out on top.
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Paperless Tiger
01:34 AM on 09/15/2011
' Both men argued that the insurgents depend on these spectacular attacks because they can't take and hold ground. '
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"Americans, after having fought for about ten years, have failed to win hearts and minds of the locals. Having suffered around 1,500 casualties, they only control a fraction of the Afghan territory."

http://www.weeklypulse.org/details.aspx?contentID=897&storylist=1

Part of Kabul, some fire bases, that's what we really control. "Occupied" Afghanistan and Iraq is still mostly "travel in force" territory.
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Baneblade
Subversive Individual
01:20 AM on 09/15/2011
Propaganda war? Thats the only war guerillas care about.
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media4me2
12:32 AM on 09/15/2011
Obama's war is going well I see.
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Zenith1959
Buying Things=Job Creator
01:19 AM on 09/15/2011
About as well as Clintons fall of communism.
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12:32 AM on 09/15/2011
A propaganda victory requires Americans to look at what actually occurred. Since most sources in the American mainstream are committed to lying about the war, It's not likely that many will recognize what occurred. So, most won't realized that all claims of the surge working and the USA winning were proven to be fantasy. The taliban can going anywhere they want in their country and attack anywhere. The US has almost no influence anywhere out side the main cities, and cannot even protect its embassy in Kabul.

Looks a lot like the the situation in Baghdad, doesn't it? There, the opposition can shell our embassy and the national govcernment with the same mortar, which they bring up to the edge of the Green Zone in an animal-drawn cart at two kilometers per hour. Very primitive, but exceedingly effective.

Oh well, the surge has worked, and the bullshit coes on. Meanwhile, the situation on the ground deteriorates.
01:05 AM on 09/15/2011
How is "victory" to be defined? How many more years will this go on?
02:20 AM on 09/15/2011
I'm not sure what "surge" you're talking about? obama's escalation of the war in Afghanistan was one of his biggest blunders, criminal in the facee of his political rationale for doing it.
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Bishop999999999
12:18 AM on 09/15/2011
The Taliban breaks wind in our general direction and half the country wants to pull out of Afghanistan immediately. There are serious problems with our approach in Afghanistan, to be sure, but treating an attack by six guys that killed more civilian children than local police or Americans like it was the Tet offensive is ridiculous.

Seriously, who in their right mind would call an attack that killed more children than Americans a propoganda victory for the Taliban?
12:09 AM on 09/15/2011
the taliban are controlling the narrative of the war!
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drleebrew
Humanity deserves the care of every human.
11:38 PM on 09/14/2011
The teaser for the article asked if the taliban scored a propoganda point with the attack, which it definitely did. But to say that this one event is the ultimate propoganda victory in the war, as the article title does, is another thing altogether.
The real issue is not propoganda anyway, but the total picture of the state of Afhanistan after this longest of wars and the billions upon billions poured into the country. We are trying to force what is effectively a medieval society to leap into the 21st century by force: a fool's errand as we are seeing, because many do not want to leave the ways of the past. The billions have been poured into the Swiss accounts of the people in power, with little being accomplished for average people. Regardless of how long we are in Afghanistan we will not change the nature of the common people, and that is the only way we could truly win the war we are trying to fight.
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DesertStormSeabee
I'm looking for a green job
12:51 AM on 09/15/2011
Good points however I cant comprehend your last sentence.
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drleebrew
Humanity deserves the care of every human.
12:55 AM on 09/15/2011
Average Afghani's (at least the men and they are in control) are settled into the kind of life and world view that keeps them locked in another age, and are happy with it. Unless we could change the nature of the people to look beyond being satisfied with what has always been, we cannot get them to change to a free and democratic people. And that is the stated reason we are still there in this war.
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FogBelter
11:25 PM on 09/14/2011
During the duration of the pre-WWII occupation of the Philippines from 1898 to 1941 the United States was facing attacks of one sort or another from the Filipinos until the invasion of the Philippines by Japan. I stumbled onto letters to the editor in Life Magazine a couple of weeks prior to the Pearl Harbor attack that mentioned the continued casualties the US was taking in the Philippines. Even during the war there were skirmishes between some Philippine Guerrillas and Americans giving rise to the US covert war against the Huks in the 1950's.

Point being, the United States is occupying Afghanistan, we aren't guests. We should expect hostility as long as we are there.
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DesertStormSeabee
I'm looking for a green job
12:53 AM on 09/15/2011
Yeah I can agree with you, we are still in Korea, Germany, Japan, the list can go on.
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FogBelter
12:32 PM on 09/15/2011
When there is no longer an economic value from the United States occupations from the host position of those countries the United States will be asked to leave.

Any country with US Bases isn't sovereign, and the Cold War excuse for the bases being there is gone.
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Carbon Forteetoo
Not enough characters to say anything clev
11:14 PM on 09/14/2011
Really? It all looked like failure to me. They didn't kill any Americans, or gain any ground. And all the attackers were killed. Plus they killed a bunch of innocent afghani children.

All around fail for the Afghan Tea Party Brigade.
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FZliveson
Beating the Conundrum
10:48 PM on 09/14/2011
What a jingoistic plate of tripe; this article.
I couldn't tell if it had accidentally been published here instead of on "the Onion."
I cannot imagine how more innuendoes and buzzwords could be assembled in one article without gagging the readers.

Would someone please tell me what a "propaganda victory" is in this respect?
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
10:46 PM on 09/14/2011
I'm more convinced than ever that a quick withdrawal would be a mistake.

We owe it to the people of Afghanistan to stay until Democracy is firmly established

and they are capable of providing their own stability.
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kenhamlett
11:13 PM on 09/14/2011
"Until the Democracy is firmly established?" What democracy? We do not even control half the country, the government is corrupt beyond imagination (not to mention selected and installed by our government), and the Taliban is gaining strength, not losing strength. We have spent more than a trillion dollars on this debacle, and we have gained nothing. I am old enough to recall the Tet offensive in the Vietnam War. This week's attack shows that same kind of resolve and ability to surprise. Whether we would like to install a democracy in Afghanistan is no longer even the question. We are no longer trying to win a victory, just a means of withdrawal. Ten years of fighting and the expenditure of money from our Treasury that we could ill afford has not succeeded in either of those aims. It is time to face that fact and bring both the troops and the money back to this country where they can be put to better use.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
11:18 PM on 09/14/2011
You're trying to compare this to Tet.

Do you know how ridiculous and offensive that is???
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glassblower
11:29 PM on 09/14/2011
It seems you have no understanding of the Afghani tribal mindset. They do not even relate to what OUR definition of a Democracy is. They do not care about establishing a stable, national, "democratic" government. Their loyalties are all directed towards their local power chiefs, NOT towards the highest levels of their corrupt national government.

Your interpretation reflects this idealized notion that ALL people, everywhere in the world, want a democracy as WE define it here in the US for ourselves. Not true. Remember that we were told that the people were going to "dance in the streets" in Bagdad after the fall of Saddam?.

This is NOT like the Jimmy Stewart movie "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington." If we were to make a movie about Afghanistan it might be called, "Habib Easily Feeds His Goat And Family Because The Americans Are Now Gone."
12:48 AM on 09/15/2011
Easy for you to say you're not part of the fighting. They need to step up and do it then.
thebigbike
ran away to be a cowboy
10:43 PM on 09/14/2011
what's pashtun for "Tet Offensive" ?
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
10:46 PM on 09/14/2011
Apparently 5 guys with rifles.
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kenhamlett
11:27 PM on 09/14/2011
If your estimation of this is true, we are in bigger trouble than we thought we were. Those "five guys with rifles" launched a day-long attack (which by the way, also included rocket attacks), and held off our troops and the Afghan "forces" successfully in the middle of the country's capital -- supposedly its most secure location. If they are able to do that with five guys with rifles, we are in a worse mess than ever.
10:55 PM on 09/14/2011
I believe in Pastun "Tet Offensive" is spelled "Ron Paul 2012"
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Sybil Disobedience
if you want the american dream move to denmark
10:34 PM on 09/14/2011
it is a win win victory for the taliban and a victory for the military industrial complex