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Why Turntable.fm Might Just End Up Saving Music

Posted: 07/ 5/11 08:40 AM ET

There's Pandora, Mog, Last.fm, etc. Yeah, yeah, ok, ok we get it. People listen to music in different ways now, and in it's ubiquity music has lost some of it's value as currency. Well, I'm going to explain to you about turntable.fm and how it just might end up "Saving Music".

To really understand what I'm talking about you'd have to agree that there's a problem. Specifically, a problem with how we listen to and are introduced to music now. I would say that there's too much of it, and it's been reduced to background noise to digest and dispose of. It's value inherently cheaper than it ever before, and every new song, band or album isn't competing with what came out this week, it's competing with all music, ALWAYS. The days of sitting down with a record and really listening to it are almost a thing of the past to people that aren't music nerds such as myself. Or is it?

Enter turntable.fm
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By putting you in a room with your friends (or strangers!), you can all play each other's music. So the music you hear is exactly as great as the taste of the people playing. Think it sucks? hit "lame", if enough people do it... the song is skipped. If it's great, hit "awesome" and that person gets points. The avatar starts bopping it's head in time and it's a great feeling. And I am here to tell you, it makes you listen, actually *LISTEN* to the music more.
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"house of Neutron ALWAYS brings the awesome"

It's the simplest idea in the world. So what are the points good for? Upgrading your avatar.
From anything to cosplay cats, to Bling Gorillas.
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"What, you thought I made that up?"

Yes, the avatars are ridiculous and the point system is juvenile, one could call it "farmville for music dorks" But you know what? It's fun, and it has people paying more attention to the music being played, talking about music, and checking out NEW stuff. I'm a self described music nerd, and i've already found 12 bands I've never even heard of that I love. Plus the chat function means that you can expound about all of the banal minutia you'd like in regards to the song playing, what it means to you, or the absurdity of the entire situation. It's actually a lot more fun then it sounds.

So how addicting is this? Let's put it this way, the entire time I wrote this article I kept switching windows to interact with the crowd in my room, or "uprate" a song, or see what was being played. Much like an addict i've found myself saying: "I'm going to take a break from turntable.fm today", only to find myself back when I see some of my pals back in there. Staying for "one more round" or song. I can't help myself, it's too much fun.

I tend to stick to my room with my friends, but I've gone "touristing" around too. I got 20 awesomes, for playing the Didjits in a room full of punk kids from the deep south that had never heard the band before. I played some seriously awesome old Alice Cooper Band songs in a room full of classic rock freaks that had been to those shows. I've heard a jazz version of Voodoo Chile by jimi Hendrix by Gil Evans. I've heard amazing mashups of Vanilla Ice and Michael McDonald and I *HATE* mashups, but being around people that loved them made me love them more.

Top to bottom though, the best times I've had is just sitting around with a group of my friends. Either locally, or all around the country and just playing songs together, it's communal, it's contagious and it's damn fun. And it's centered around music, MUSIC not the cult of personality around it, or the pithy quotes that come with it... more than anything I have ever seen on the internet.

Are there downsides?
Sure... it sucks that you have to login with your facebook account, because it means some people who are distrustful of that site can't get in on the fun. It sucks because only people in the US can enjoy this service for now... sometimes the library is "wonky" at best and you end up with weird live versions of songs. Sometimes stuff just goes crazy and you have to reload the page or open in a new tab. But hey man, it's in Beta!

Also some rooms just play lame stuff (by this writer's standard), it's as good as the people in it. Meaning don't go bringing in your Coldplay and your Ke$ha over to *MY ROOM*. However, you can upload your own mp3s (which is an amazing feature! Other file formats would be nice too). And the integration with facebook means you can see where all of your buddies are at. So how could this be improved? Well, being able to customize the image of a room for starts, sweaty punk rock basement, huge arena, crazy dance club with flashing lights. The possibilites are endless.

Better avatars? Sure that'd be awesome. As it stands everything is pretty cartoony and kind of Japanimation looking. It'd be hard to explain if the CEO of your company busted you watching it.

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"I swear, it's just like Pandora..."

So what's in store for turntable.fm? Well hopefully not a quick acquisition and inherent lameness to follow. Thus far the deal with Media Net has allowed them to stay legit from forces of the Empire, I mean... the RIAA.

There have been celebrity guest sets (such as: Sir Mix-A-Lot), Heck some savvy bands are even using turntable.fm to preview their new records.

The sky is the limit. For my money though, turntable.fm is the first application/website to do something with music that actually makes me feel hopeful about the future, and actually gets me listening in a way that other passive services don't. I seriously think, if it doesn't mess up too bad, it could end up "saving music".

No pressure.

 
 
 

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09:55 PM on 07/13/2011
Sounds like fun for people who like to interact with others. I prefer to listen to new music alone so I can concentrate on it. I already know what I like anyway... "hard" rock, fusion, classical, progressive jazz.
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lasjazzman
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11:46 AM on 07/12/2011
For an old school LP (album as art) addict, this looks pretty promising!!!
10:37 PM on 07/11/2011
Great post. By the way, I am the CEO and I invited my whole company to Turntable.fm. Come join us in the Rebel room sometime: http://turntable.fm/rebel. Ain't no Ke$ha, no Coldplay.
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guitarguy22
01:38 AM on 07/11/2011
God, I hope turntable.fm isn't the saving grace of music. If that's the case, music is screwed.
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07:39 AM on 07/13/2011
Nothing can "save" music.
With so many more choices for our attention music will never be as culturally significant as it once was.
Before electricity music was the culture.
Then Edison invented the phonograph and slowly live music began to fade as local musicians could not compete with the best of the best on records.
Then radio reduced this number even more, followed by TV and then the advent of synthesizers where a literal one man band became the norm.
But the digital age was the final nail in the coffin as recorded music had to compete with the internet, video games iPhones and iPads.
We will never again see a time such as the late 60's when Sinatra, Elvis and The Beatles all ruled the charts simultaneously.
Finally, how many potentially great musicians never put down their Xbox controller long enough to figure out how to play a guitar or violin?
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kcnativnla
12:02 AM on 07/11/2011
I love DJing in a room where a bunch of kids playing "old school" hip-hop is Biggie and Tupac. Then, I bust out Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Pete Rock and Gangstarr and blow their minds.

I'm gonna school these young punks yet!
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10:56 PM on 07/11/2011
Sugarhill 'em !
08:57 PM on 07/10/2011
Yes, maybe music needs to be saved, but saved from what, exactly? I would say the problem as much as anything is the instant gratification mentality that our society has been moving toward. And isn't entirely what Facebook is about?

If I understand correctly, this is simply listening to a track then rating it. What does it have to do with "sitting down with a record and really listening to it"? And the only rating choices are the extremes of Lame or Awesome? As a musician especially, you don't see a problem with that?

To me, this is all counter to what music should be, and what is needed to "save" it.
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guitarguy22
01:37 AM on 07/11/2011
Agreed. This is just dressing up what's been around for awhile...rating music, sharing it via another social networking site, and breaking up quality albums in favor of cherry picking songs.
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Conan Neutron
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11:34 PM on 07/17/2011
basically: no.
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Conan Neutron
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11:34 PM on 07/17/2011
I actually don't even know where to start with your post, but let's give it a go:
What does music need to be saved from?
I think music needs saving from becoming disposable background music farmed out by companies.

Facebook has fuck all to do with music, it's an afterthought at best and downplays the actual music part of it. What makes turntable.fm much more interesting to music lovers is that the listening is a key part of the experience. That is what everybody is there to do, not share what they had for lunch or the latest Onion article.

The rating of lame and awesome has very little to do with the listening experience to my experience. Really it's as good as the people in the room, if you hang out with dullards with terrible taste... well... there's your problem!

Again, I cannot reiterate how wrong you are about this, and would urge you to at least give it a try if you haven't already.
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08:19 PM on 07/10/2011
Can somebody invite me to this?
07:54 PM on 07/10/2011
Please learn the difference between its and it's.
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07:41 AM on 07/13/2011
R U 4 Real?
11:36 AM on 07/10/2011
Sir Mix-a-Lot is your go-to celebrity using turntable.fm? While Neil Gaiman's on it almost daily creating various "theme" rooms to inspire folks to think outside their standard listening practices, Amanda Palmer was the first person I ever saw to really test the site's backend…bringing her #LOFNOTC club from Twitter to turntable one night, they played and chatted away, and then she closed her set with an exclusive track.

One thing's for sure…very cool stuff going on there.
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Conan Neutron
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07:28 PM on 07/10/2011
Well, whether I like Neil Gaiman better or not (hint: I do!), Six Mix-A-Lot did do it first. To the point that, if you click that link... you can see there's a custom avatar. Also: when I wrote this Neil was still a newbie. Didn't know about the Amanda Palmer thing though, very, very cool.
11:27 PM on 07/10/2011
I know, I know, and it's cool that they worked with him to do that. And hey, I could eat my words, I'm often shocked by the celebrities that have the most followers on Twitter so maybe turntable.fm could prove to be a great home for SMAL's star to rise, again…in the least, I would love to see custom avatars (and agree on all fronts of "wouldn't it be great it…")

And as far as Amanda/Neil goes, she actually got him into it. Despite the wonkiness of broken CSS on Tumblr, she posted a blog that mentions DJ'ing and bringing Neil in to play: http://bit.ly/blog7311
11:52 PM on 07/09/2011
Sorry, but I'm just facebooked to death. To many other options out there to get caught up in that cycle again. I realize it's pretty much become a cliche now, but the less interaction with anything Zuckerberg, the better.
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Conan Neutron
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07:29 PM on 07/10/2011
I agree and understand, however... really they only use the user base infrastructure of facebook, so that's something?
08:40 PM on 07/07/2011
Why can't America open these sites up to the world. There's a heap of good foreign music out there too. I'm in Australia and I can't get t.fm in my country. I bet there's a few ACDC tunes on there though.
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Conan Neutron
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07:29 PM on 07/10/2011
It's all about rights issues with the music... DMCA and copyright law. I would never suggest such a thing, but I know there are some people that use proxy servers to bypass the law.
11:43 AM on 07/06/2011
My friend was just inviting me to this the other day. I never got around to going in, but I'm curious. I have such different tastes in music than my friends, so they'll probably label everything I have as "lame." :/
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Conan Neutron
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08:53 PM on 07/06/2011
The best thing about turntable.fm is you can find a room with other "lame" people and have your own party. Or make your own! As long as you can get one other person in there, you are ready to go.

And yeah, some people really just login to listen, and for good reason.
08:44 PM on 07/05/2011
You gotta be kidding. I really want to listen to music so that I can essentially play dollies online. I don't think so.

Btw, you forgot Live365.com.
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Conan Neutron
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02:01 AM on 07/06/2011
So first of all: Suck it.
Secondly: Thank you for your comment.
03:15 PM on 07/07/2011
Obviously you missed the point or didn't read the article closely enough. The different avatars are a secondary feature. The primary function of the site is sharing music.
01:24 PM on 07/05/2011
to get out of the novelty bucket it needs to quickly add cross fade and beat matching capabilities - both of which are reasonably complicated. Dont just be a jukebox, be a set of turntables.
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Conan Neutron
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03:18 PM on 07/05/2011
cross fading at the very least would be really great.
The ability to have multiple play lists, say: if you are going around to rooms of different genres. Would also be good.

My interest in it is closer to the "live mixtape" then an actual DJ set, but it'd be great to have the option... especially for songs with slow fade outros and the like.

They've just put together the profile feature, it'll be interesting to see if that becomes useful or not.
03:16 PM on 07/07/2011
They sent out an e-mail a few weeks ago that mentioned a few features that they will add soon... one of them is the ability to have multiple song queues.
11:23 AM on 07/05/2011
Turntable rocks..it makes music 'more active' and fun to engage, the 'wow' way Napster did at launch and MTV did 20 years or whenever earlier. Now, if only the audio quality format of music returned to the days of vinyl, everything would come together.