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The Best Jobs Idea I've Heard From a Candidate So Far

Posted: 09/20/11 10:14 AM ET

A few years ago my friend Sam Novey ran social media for a relatively unknown candidate during the race for Ted Kennedy's Senate seat. The candidate billed himself as a "social entrepreneur" looking for grassroots solutions to our major problems. At the time, I had just founded an Internet start-up focused on local civic engagement, and his message appealed to me.

I thought he was a little idealistic, but I joined his mailing list and I stayed on it even after he lost the election. Today I'm glad I did.

Alan Khazei's proposal on jobs is remarkable for its simplicity. We give out 99 weeks of unemployment insurance now. What if we turned that into a voucher that employers could redeem for 99 weeks of wages?

To put it in perspective, 99 weeks is nearly 2 years. Unemployment insurance covers a fraction of former wages, so if you were making $40,000 a year and were laid off, you might receive $10,000 in unemployment (it varies state by state). Under this plan, the unemployed would have the option to give money they had not yet collected to an employer to put towards wages. In the example above that could allow a new company to hire you for your former salary but only pay $30,000.

As a caveat: my company has never employed more than four people at a time, and our employees have all been college educated. That said, there are a few reasons I think this is a good idea.

1) There is a powerful psychological benefit to working. Being unemployed sucks. I've had enough friends and family crushed by unemployment in this recession to see that firsthand. Unemployment costs much more than lost wages, it is worse than it has been since we started measuring it more than 60 years ago, and a larger portion of the unemployed have been unemployed for an extended period of time (in July the average length of unemployment was 40.4 weeks). The more tools we can give people to reenter the workforce, the better.

2) As an employer, it feels a lot better to hire someone away from another job than it does to hire someone who is unemployed. There is a certain feeling of confidence that comes with knowing that the person chose to work with you over other options. This is just one of the reasons it can be so much harder to find a job when you have been unemployed for a long period of time.

3) Being able to hire someone for free or at a discount makes it easier to take a shot creating or filling a position you might not usually hire for. More than that, it gives you an incentive to look at candidates who are out of work. Some will argue that these jobs will be lost when the insurance runs out, but they forget that when you look at the cost of recruiting, interviewing, and training, employers have a strong incentive to retain talent. Additionally, any voucher system could easily have a provision saying it could only be used for new jobs, or jobs where a person quit or was fired with cause.

I'll be the first to admit that, as with any new idea, there are plenty of potential problems with this, and there are plenty of debates to be had about specific aspects of the proposal. But, what I like most about this idea is that it isn't really left or right, it's just practical. My hope is that we've got a Congress that can get itself together long enough to debate some point on its actual merits, deal with potential pitfalls, and push forward a bill that will actually create jobs.

 
 
 
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02:36 AM on 09/24/2011
It is very practical on so many levels. It allows the unemployed to reenter the job market and to shed that image of "taking advantage of the system", which was and is still, totally erroneous. Second, it allows the employer the opportunity to see and experience the worth of the employee without the shadow of the unemployment myth hanging over both of their heads. The employer and the employee are both contributing to make this situation a success, while clearly negating the prevailing myth that the unemployed don't want to work. It allows the older worker to bring his/her wealth of experience to the job and it subsequently becomes apparent that this knowledge base compensates for any additional salary or considerations that are warranted by the sheer benefits derived from their extensive knowledge and experience. The long term unemployed offer a mixture of determination and enthusiasm sparked by the knowledge that their self respect has been restored and they are determined to take advantage of any and all opportunities to maintain this and prove to the world that their plight is not of their own making and others like them deserve a similar opportunity to show that circumstance, not job ethics or capabilities created this situation. I love this idea!
12:08 PM on 09/21/2011
The problem I see with this idea, is with this economy employers don't have jobs available at any price.Until we fix our trade policy and get financial regulations in place there will be no job creation.
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02:34 AM on 09/21/2011
It's amazing to me how many people think welfare for people is a bad thing, but corporate welfare is somehow the answer to everything.
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Amber Berglund
Got Mashed Potato, ain't got no T-Bone
01:09 AM on 09/21/2011
This guy Conor White-Sullivan, in his TEDxBoston talk, he says that "People should be using their real names, and stand behind their ideas"

...I think if I want to be anonymous, I should have a right to anonymity, in order to protect ourselves from retribution when expressing unpopular ideas to any government. If I am a socialist, and I promote socialist ideas, I don't want a progressively capitalist government to know everything about my life. I want to be politically active, and continue to protect my children.

The more I read / listen to this guy, the more dangerous he sounds. The ideas he is promoting/proposing could be used in terrible ways to control the general public...
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parlimentMike
Don't settle for less evil, demand good
12:58 AM on 09/21/2011
Absolute worst case: corporations get all the benefits of unemployment insurance system to use to make further profits for themselves at public expense. Further rewards for the privileged class.

Before we try further swindles, how about trying some of the basics: enforce domestic content laws already on the books, reciprocal tariffs, no tax breaks for off-shoring jobs, no using foreign contractors to avoid overtime laws.

How about if we just focus government back on the Preamble, back on government with the People's interests in mind, before we up the giveaways to the corporations any more.
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Amber Berglund
Got Mashed Potato, ain't got no T-Bone
12:50 AM on 09/21/2011
Your proposal is socialism without calling it socialism. The only thing is that employees pay into Unemployment insurance, so if in the emergency of losing a job, they have some way to maintain life.

The Government could easily provide this welfare to businesses without dipping into someone's unemployment insurance.

How about repairing the trade imbalance, bring manufacturing back, and supporting smaller businesses.

I'm sure most of America would welcome the days when you could go to a main street, and shop. There was stuff to buy, made by local artists and crafts people. Restaurants, Sandwich Shops, Bake shops, gift shops, handmade furniture, clothes, baby toys and bath products, local grocery stores, butcher shops with specialty cuts from local farms.

That's the America I want to live in again.
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firewired
Compared to what?
12:49 AM on 09/21/2011
An AWESOME idea!!! WHY NOT TRY IT? Just one thing, though...what about those whose unemployment benefits have run out already? NOVEL IDEA!
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10:46 PM on 09/20/2011
How many employers are going to want to make up or will be able to make up the difference in salary once the voucher period ends? What's to stop an employer from firing the employee once the government money runs out? Like Netflix streaming video, it's difficult to get people to pay for something they used to get for free.
10:20 PM on 09/20/2011
I wrote of a similiar idea on the BBC and Guardian a few months ago. My idea is a a safety net for everyone. If you provide platinium health insurance ,housing and bus subsidy to the unemployed, welfare beneficiaries you could form labor pools that could be used at the Post Office, Schools, Hospitals etc. at a lower rate than current employees. This way people would always fall into a government safety net and would never find themselves out of work. The government could also compete in certain products like making diapers, condiments but using these reduced priced labor pools. The government could use existing facilities,employing a second or third shift. The products could be sold cheaper on the open market thereby making welfare pay for itself. There is no reason anyone should be unemployed in our economy. If you fall out of the private economy ,you fall into the government safety net where work continues but at a reduced rate since rent ,transportation and healthcare would be subsidised.
12:47 AM on 09/21/2011
My god, do you know how radical you sound? Attack the infidel!...(just kidding) No, not that, you wouldnt want to have people actually staying at a job! I like your thinking..but lets see it get through the other Net...the legislative net.
09:40 AM on 09/21/2011
LibButOpen,
The point about the economy is not to have people idle,twiddling their thumbs, thinking about how to cause mayhem for lack of nothing better to do. People should always have a purpose. If you can't find work, no problem! The government will keep you busy so you don't resort to drug dealing and other destructive activities.Teachers could have lots of on-hand help, subway terminals and bathrooms could be cleaner,Washington Lawns neatly clipped, Let the private sector continue on but vastly improve the functionality and quality of the government sector by allowing people to work in sectors they choose. The government could even provide workers to private industry at a premium. The only thing would be to ringfence the safety net money that was generated to support the poor, infirmed etc so Washington can't spend it on another one of their misguided war adventures that nobody wants.
09:23 PM on 09/20/2011
essentially the presidents payroll tax holiday credit for hiring already does this and provides unemployment insurance benefits.

The major downfall of constructing such a policy the way advocated is it makes the employment crisis for new graduates even greater. Having never been employed they have no money to promise a prospective employers. Although obama's plan isn't much better for them.

The tax system is also better constructed to audit and catch potential fraud on laying off workers one place to get the credits hiring in another.

Obama grants rewards for hiring the long term unemployed, creates youth opportunities, extra incentive for hiring veterans as well as an across the board payroll tax holliday for new hires. It's a better plan IMHO. Harder to explain but better.
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Robert SF
06:26 PM on 09/20/2011
"In the example above that could allow a new company to hire you for your former salary but only pay $30,000."
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Why would employers pay even $30 for employees THEY DO NOT NEED?
renoir
Comfortably Numb
09:37 PM on 09/20/2011
Not all people are laid off because they are not needed you know.

I currently work the job of two, while my husband works the job of three. We would LOVE some damn help.
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AsISaid
05:25 PM on 09/20/2011
Germany has a program that provided subsidies to employers for employees' pay. In the midst of the European turmoil, Germany's unemployment rate hovers at only around 6%. Germany's demand comes primarily through exporting their goods to other countries. Germany has government health care, generous benefits for vacation, maternity leave, and so forth. They have surpluses in their social services accounts, such as for unemployment and retirement.

Germany's individual tax burden is nearly twice that of the US, yet citizens there, as well as a wide political spectrum of leaders, seem to understand the need to pay for their generous services and benefits, rather than cut these services to austere levels by cutting taxes.

Germany has deemed that spending some of its resources to keep workers on the job works to help their entire economy.
12:49 AM on 09/21/2011
exactly..I live in NY state where we have 8% sales tax, and I've thought for a long time now...I would GLADLY pay a bit more in taxes for all those priveleges rather than hearing about $100 hammers spent on defense.
02:33 PM on 09/21/2011
Right, except that the tax rates are not double, they are reasonable and deducted at the source of income, so lot of employees don't have to file...
Tax % Tax Base (EUR)
0 Up to 8,004
14% 8,005-52,881
42% 52,882-250,730
45% 250,731 and over
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AsISaid
05:13 PM on 09/21/2011
Good info - I suppose I should have said the 'effective' rate of taxation in the US, instead of the way I wrote it. Compared to the US 'effective' rate, the rate in Germany is nearly double. Our taxpayers are allowed certain exemptions and deductions that bring the effective tax rate down on eligible income. Not sure if Germany has a similar series of deductions and allowances as we do in our tax code.
04:08 PM on 09/20/2011
That sounds like a terrific idea!

Another idea:

How about, after someone has collected Unemployment for 3 months, they go work in a CCC-type program? It might be infrastructure, might be helping the elderly do their tax returns, helping to run a daycare center ; wherever the benefits recipient's expertise is.
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AsISaid
05:33 PM on 09/20/2011
Compete with the private sector?
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ClevelandLib
I stand with Planned Parenthood
07:33 PM on 09/20/2011
Do they get gov't health insurance and pension if they are working for the gov't?

Are you saying they only get the max UE compensation (less than 20K/yr) even if the work they do for this CCC program pays much higher in the private sector?

Why not just put that money into creating jobs by funding the infrastructure spending? Infrastructure jobs...construction...should pay $20-60 per hour depending on the skill level..much higher than any UE compensation covers.

Why not just help the unemployed get degrees in social work and fully fund those programs.
11:50 AM on 09/21/2011
"Why not just put that money into creating jobs by funding the infrastruc­ture spending? "

well, partly because the GOP would never allow it. they'd never allow the CCC-type program either. They Don't Want people to go back to work. they want Obama to fail.

"Why not just put that money into creating jobs by funding the infrastruc­ture spending? Infrastruc­ture jobs...con­struction.­..should pay $20-60 per hour depending on the skill level..muc­h higher than any UE compensati­on covers."

As long as they're being paid, why shouldn't they make a contribution? Like Workfare recipients have been asked to do. If you pay at their benefit rate, more people can work.

And who said I was against UE recipients getting degrees? Lots of folks with degrees don't have work, and are not being productive. Why NOT have unemployed accountants, for instance, help the elderly with their tax returns, in return for their benefits? Or out-of-work teachers collecting UE to help with a training program of some kind?

And LOTS of stuff needs doing. By all means, put skilled workers back to work. But why NOT ask those folks getting benefits to also do something in return for the benefits, maybe even part-time, so they could continue to look for work?
03:49 PM on 09/20/2011
Interesting comments - a lot of naysaying and rock-throwing, without looksing at possibilities. If, at heart, it's a worthy idea, then the important question is how to make it work, rather than dismissing it off-hand. If the problems of abuse could be overcome, it sounds like a pretty good idea. Most people I know who are laid-off want to work. Putting money in their pocket is a good way to stimulate recovery, but it would have to be on a large scale to make a difference and actually get the economy moving again. It's pretty good economics from that perspective - it is consumer spending that makes the economy strong. It's an approach worth studying.
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ClevelandLib
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07:23 PM on 09/20/2011
Similar programs have been tried, in Germany and here in Georgia in the US. They did not work.

Demand drives hiring. We own a small business, we would not hire someone just because we could get a voucher or a tax cut. You hire when demand for your goods and services requires.

You can't create a job that demand doesn't exist for. We need to rebuild our infrastructure...badly. 5M people or more were put out of work with the housing/construction market crash. Put those 5M back to work on our infrastructure and you have 5M people paying taxes, shopping at stores, staying in their homes, buying cars...etc.

Infrastructure spending also spurs private development..creating more jobs. The ROI of infrastructure spending is multi-fold.
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AsISaid
07:57 AM on 09/21/2011
Germany exports much of their manufactured goods. They still maintain a fairly high level of demand for those goods. So, the program hasn't failed in Germany. Unemployment there is at just about 6%.

But, you are correct - demand is what creates jobs.
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mkelch
No matter which way I turn, I’m homeward bound.
03:40 PM on 09/20/2011
I think you are on the wrong side of the equation. Generally, employers won't hire unless/until there is enough demand from their customers no matter what the incentive. Stimulating demand is the key to lowering unemployment. There is a tremendous amount of work that needs to be done in this country but it just does not seem to be a priority right now. Instead of paying our military to blow up other countries the money would be better spent rebuilding ours. That is an easy place to begin.