Only a Dream Ticket Prevents Democratic Nightmare
Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama might be stuck with each other -- not just for the long haul to the Democratic nominating convention, but well beyond. They might have to run together, whatever the order and whether they like it or not.
The most likely scenario going forward is that unelected delegates, the so-called super delegates, will decide this thing -- and they might not make a choice in sufficient numbers to give either hopeful the nomination before the convention.
If Clinton or Obama cannot find some miraculous way to lock down a nominating majority in the remaining primaries and caucuses, look for undecided super delegates to opt for the easiest way out and urge them to run together for the November election. More on Craig Crawford's Trail Mix
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As we have seen, the Veep can wield a lot power nowadays.
Not under Hillary. It's Bill who would play the Dick Cheney role -- think of that what you will -- while the Veep would be attending funerals if he's lucky.
Can you imagine Michelle as first vice lady under Hilary? Owwww!
I went back and took a look at the advice karl Rove gave to Obama in an open Memo before Iowa. It is actually brilliant advice and by all appearances Obama is using it very effectively.
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Wow ! Thanks for the link.
My thoughts about how he needs to change his campaign strategy as a result of yesterday very much mirrored Karl Rove's ! However, you have to remember that Rove's advice was given back in December '07. I doubt he would offer the following words of wisdom now, in light of her continued dredging of the " 35 years experience ' and " red phone " fiasco.
" Third, when you create controversies do not pick issues where you are playing the weaker hand. For example, you attacked her for lacking foreign policy experience. It is true she was first lady, not secretary of state, and nobody will ever mistake her for James Baker III. But your qualifications are even thinner; you were a state senator and lived in Indonesia when you were six. Big deal. Americans think she has more foreign policy experience than you – and she does. "
He needs to call her on this.
Otherwise, Rove's article contains extremely valuable advice to Obama, regardless of the disdain in which many on this site justifiably hold him. Thank you Karl.
But he is using the tactics of taking shots to bait her and then she freaks and he can just smile about it and poke at her some more. That is pure Rove. Keep hitting the same thing until it is burned in our brain. while causing your opponent to finally lose it. It would be interesting to go back and see if Obama started adopting these concepts.b
I am not an enthusiastic voter for Obama, but I am pretty strongly against Hillary. I can non concieve that a questionalbe commodity attached to a terrible commodity makes a good commodity. I do not want Hillary anywhere near to being President, period. McCain is mentally unbalanced old man, but he is at least a Republican. In 2010 the disasster of another destructive Republican will lead to a Democrat President if the Pathetic Democrat Party does not self destruct again.
If Hillary is elected we will most probably have 8 year od republicans after here single term.
No. Obama/Richardson or Obama /Webb should do the trick. Hillary needs to bow out - not that she will. As always her ego is bigger than her desire to do the right thing.
All the talk about a redo in the states in rebelion is dumb. THey had their chance and they blew it. THey can get ther vote on the second ballot at the convention.
How does Obama name Hillary as a VEEP when she has consistently said in flat out terms he brings nothing at alll to the table? Those quotes of hers are going to be played over and over and over again. "McCain brings a lifetime of experience, Obama brings a little speech he gave in 2002" ...how can he have that on his ticket?
How does she name him when he is so completely unqualified to be president?
When Craig says the ticket in order don't take him at his word. There is only one order he his looking at and that is with Hillary at the top of the ticket although she trails in popular vote, "ELECTED" delegates, and contests won. In order for Hillary to be at the top of the ticket with the facts I just stated you would need Obama on the ticket to make it pallatble to African Americans who will nonetheless Know that she STOLE the nomination. There is practically no way for Hillary to make up the difference in the metrics with the rest of the calendar. Something dramatic, as has been suggested in another blog, would have to happen like Obama being caught in some airport restroom with a "wide stance".
The way the Clintons have used the race card in this election is reason enough for Obama to reject & denounce any thoughts/offer of being her VP.
Let's be pragmatic, and consider what really has to be done to turn this country around instead of concentrating on plumbing and skin color.
The best reason for a Clinton/Obama ticket is a potential 16 year hold for the Democrats. Flipping the seats works only for 8 years. Hillary will be too old to run again.
1. Both candidates are strong, and will only cause division and apathy if the other isn't on the ticket. Combining the ticket means a landslide. Otherwise, the Dems will come off weak and divided, which is where the Repubs want them.
2. The next 4 years aren't going to be fun. The war in Iraq will continue, the economy will tank, and the federal deficit is being set up by Bush in anticipation of screwing over a Democratic President.
3. Even if we somehow pull out of Iraq for good reasons, the president will get a backlash by the 25% base of mouthbreathers and knuckle draggers who always supported Bush. Big trouble for 2012. Personally, I think we are stuck, the price of oil is too important, and even though we are dying, we still have the key to the oil reserves. Letting the region slide into civil war would destroy the world oil markets. I never supported Bush or the war, but the choice is stay or $10 a gallon at the pumps.
4. I don't even want to think about what will happen next in Afganistan
5. Clinton should go first, do the heavy lifting (with a lot of help from Bill), then Obama gets the honeymoon of implementing after the cleanup is done. it is going to take 16 years to fix the deficit, the war, and the direction of the country.
6. This doesn't work if both camps don't play well together. Clinton needs to harness the Obama charisma and give him a job to do. It will build experience, contacts and voter base for the next presidential election.
7. Finally, this nation has to heal, which means the next cabinet needs some Republicans. The real definition of diversity is about the range of ideas needed to prevent group think. Surrounding oneself with syncophants and yes-people doesn't build change, and Hillary's next healthcare
Clinton and Obama are amazing people, and the primary alone has tested them with fire. Few of us could survive such political and MSM scrutiny, but neither of them has broken, and they both have my admiration. This is good training for answering a phone call at 3 AM. Combining the two would make a powerful ticket.
concur with your points... too bad there are so many that don't understand these things.
Ditto what serialcoma said.
Logic, what a breath of fresh air.
Sorry, another Hillary supporter trying to shove her down our throats. Not interested. And trying to bring Bill back for a third term is equally appealing. What is your next theory? Chelsea needs to join the Administration? You guys are disgusting.
Sorry Craig, anyone would have to be insane to be a Veep to Hillary, with Bill lurking around the Oval office. Better to stay in the senate and let her implode then try again in 2012.
Craigy boy came out publicly long ago for Clinton and is now spewing the new talking points. Here are some more:
Whitewater land deal-gate, Norman Hsu, Missing Rose Law Firm Files-gate, travel-gate, schedule -gate, tax return-gate, cattle futures-gate, donations from firm rife with sexual harassment-gate, $44,000 profit on a $2,000 investment in a cellular phone franchise deal-gate, many contributions from drug smugglers-gate, Mark Penn's ties to Blackwater-gate, Johnny Chung, pardons for cash-gate, Castle Grande...t
Endless GOP talking points proving, once again, that a lie is as good as the truth if you can get someone to believe it! Here's the link to Townhall, snowcat -- they may be missing you. http://tow
Ugh! What a miserable idea.
Bull----! Anyone who would tie this country up with another Clinton self-serving, NAFTA selling, influence selling machine...
I see you are a Clinton supporter. I assume you suggest this just as everyone is starting to take a closer look a Sen. Clintons record and the fact that she has run a nasty negative campaign. Are you trying to have us believe that she is the one holding up party unity. You have to be kidding. This attempted is purely to deflect the incoming questions about your candidate. This way when we ask them you can say, "why are you being so negative, it's bad for the party, Hillary suggested a joint ticket." Sad thing is given the votes last night I'm afraid people will fall for it.
Makes sense-whoever has the most delegates is the nominee, the runner-up, is the VP. Why not??? I am wondering if the public would be asked to be taking TOO large a leap though, a woman AND a black guy on the same ticket?? I'm for it-mind-but you know. John Q Public maybe not so much. You tell me.
With Obama at the top of the ticket, I can't see how he would want anything to do with Hillary and Bill on a daily basis.
With Clinton at the top of the ticket, I can't see why Obama would want to be VP #2 behind Bill.
Either way I think these 2 would have a tough time getting along and I can't see a ticket that includes them both.
The only combination that makes sense for the country and Democrats is Obama as President and Hillary as Vice. Obama can be the "inspirer" and the one who rallies support from the public and Hillary can be the VP who work on the "nuts and bolts" of the issues to get things done. She even claims that is her strong suit and admits that Obama is a better communicator. That is the ONLY combination of the two that works.
Ain't going to happen. Obama and someone who isn't corrupt and divisive and therefore cannot be a Clinton
I agree about Clinton being corrupt, divisive, etc, but don't you have to give some recognition to the votes and millions of dollars given to her campaign? You don't want them staying home in November.
I tend to agree. But if Obama is to accept Clinton as a running mate, there should be a moratorium on Bill Clinton even being ALLOWED in the west wing. We certainly don't need three people acting like President at one time, and it would be bad enough with two...
She needs Obama on the ticket to win the general - in all reality, it's her ONLY option; Obama does not need her in order to win the general.
It will be over by the last week of August. Probably.
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