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Absolutely, Positively No Ketchup On Hot Dogs. Never. Fogeddaboudit.

Posted: 08/19/11 02:10 PM ET

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Earlier this week Oscar Mayer and Ball Park found themselves before a judge in Chicago accusing each other of false advertising. One battle in the wiener wars is over Oscar Meyer's claim that their frank is the best.

Apparently ChefsBest in San Francisco tasted hot dog samples and they crowned Oscar Mayer #1 (interestingly, the results are no longer on their website). U.S. Magistrate Judge Morton Denlow grinned and asked "And how would ten chefs in San Francisco know what the best hot dog is when they have never been to Chicago or tasted a Chicago hot dog?" When the Ball Park counsel complained that the chefs were not given the opportunity to squirt ketchup on their dogs, Denlow interrupted, saying "That's an area of great debate."

Not in Chicago.

Chicagoans, renowned for our worship of the all beef frankfurter (full disclosure, please noet the use of the word "our"), understand that ketchup is popular with children because they like sweet stuff, so they don't argue with kids who order it on their franks. But if you are over 18, never, ever, no how, no way, allow ketchup anywhere near a proper hot dog in Chicago. Fogeddaboudit.

Apparently no less an authority than National Hot Dog & Sausage Council, the official trade association based in Washington, DC, agrees. It has codified the rule in their paper on "Hot Dog Etiquette and everyday guidance for eating America's sacred food." There it is in black and white: "Don't use ketchup on your hot dog after the age of 18." In their video they add "We all have to grow up sometime":

In Chicago, if you want ketchup on your dog, they'll point you to the bottles used for garnishing French fries and tell you to "go ruin it yourself."

It is such a Chicago shibboleth that when Bob Schwartz, a VP of Vienna Beef, the leading Chicago wiener supplier, wrote a book, he titled it "Never Put Ketchup On A Hot Dog." He calls ketchup an "affliction."

Another famous Chicagoan, President Barack Obama, made it official with a proclamation on June 3, 2011 while visiting one of the Rudy's Hot Dog stands in Toledo, OH. Obama and the mayor stopped in for a chili dog, but apparently the subject of ketchup came up. "You shouldn't put ketchup on your hot dog," your President said.

So there you have it. Big government once again interfering on our right to chose.


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The late great Pulitzer Prize winning Chicago columnist Mike Royko said it better than anyone in a column on November 21, 1995 "No, I won't condemn anyone for putting ketchup on a hot dog. This is the land of the free. And if someone wants to put ketchup on a hot dog and actually eat the awful thing, that is their right. It is also their right to put mayo or chocolate syrup or toenail clippings or cat hair on a hot dog. Sure, it would be disgusting and perverted, and they would be shaming themselves and their loved ones. But under our system of government, it is their right to be barbarians."

This is not just a Chicago prejudice. In Detroit, the town that hates Chicago, Charley Marcuse vends hot dogs at Comerica Park for Tigers games. He is world famous for his operatic cry of "Ho-O-ot Do-O-ogs," a chant that delights and infuriates some fans. But if his siren song lures you in, don't ask for ketchup. He'll tell you in his tenor in no uncertain terms, "There is no ketchup in baseball!"

Nobody drove home the point more profoundly that Dirty Harry. In the film Sudden Impact, Clint Eastwood, playing San Francisco detective Harry Callahan, a.k.a. Dirty Harry, appearing at a crime scene, blows his top while watching a cop munching on a hot dog: "Nah, this stuff isn't getting to me, the shootings, the knifings, the beatings, old ladies being bashed in the head for their social security checks... Nah, that doesn't bother me. But you know what does bother me? You know what makes me really sick to my stomach? It's watching you stuff your face with those hotdogs. Nobody, I mean nobody puts ketchup on a hot dog."

In another film, the 2005 remake of the movie Bad News Bears, Tanner Boyle declares "My dad says the only people who put ketchup on hot dogs are mental patients, and Texans."

Cecil Adams, syndicated author of the popular Q&A column "The Straight Dope" and self-proclaimed "The World's Most Intelligent Human Being," tried to explain the problem in 1991 in a column called "Why is there no ketchup on a properly made hot dog?" From a culinary standpoint he explains "Ketchup is destructive of all that is right and just about a properly assembled hot dog... Ketchup smothers the flavor of the hot dog because ketchup makers add sugar to their products. That takes the edge off the highly acidic tomatoes, but it takes the edge off everything else, too... Put ketchup on it and a kid will swallow anything -- and from there it's a straight shot to Velveeta cheese, Franco-American spaghetti, and Deborah Norville."

Actually, ketchup was not always sweet. Click here for more about the history of ketchup.

Purists like Adams argue that one would never put sweet ketchup on a steak, so why defile an all-beef frank? Of course the sweetness argument has a fatal flaw if you are a Chicago Dog purist. The standard Chicago Dog has seven compulsory ingredients offered in all of the estimated 1,800 hot dog stands in the city (where hot dog restaurants far outnumber burger joints). The Chicago Seven are mustard, raw onions, hot sport peppers, tomato slices, a dill pickle spear, kryptonite green pickle relish, and savory celery salt click the link for the recipe). Yes, there it is, right before your eyes, dear purists, glowing in the dark: Sweet pickle relish colored with blue dye to give it the signature iridescence of the relish in Chicago.

In an August 3, 2011 Chicago Tribune column titled, "Don't let anyone tell you ketchup can't go on hot dogs," Kevin Pang challenged Chicago pride as deeply as the day the Bears fired Mike Ditka. "For many of us, we know deep inside that ketchup indignation is a facade, a narrative we fulfill for civic pride. We have the Second City complex. We have two baseball teams with one World Series championship between them since Woodrow Wilson was president. We lost the Olympics. Our governors have this thing for committing felonies." Pang quotes Jeff Ruby, dining critic at Chicago magazine: "My stance is that it's perverse for any person to tell another what he can and can't put on his food. That's foodie fascism."

In a followup article the next day, Phil Vettel, the Trib's restaurant critic asked around. He asked Nick Kokonas, co-owner, Alinea, called by many the best restaurant in the nation. "To this day I only order them one way: mustard only. The mustard must be yellow mustard. I enjoy pickles on the side. Tomato too. I really like Dijon and grainy mustards and if I am having a certain kind of sandwich or making a salad dressing, they are wonderful. But a Chicago dog has one thing: yellow mustard. One of my sons puts only ketchup on his hot dogs. It is troubling. But to answer directly, it is never OK."

Doug Sohn, chef/owner, Hot Doug's, called by many the world's best hot dog restaurant, said, "I'm more morally opposed to food rules than I am opposed to ketchup on a hot dog. I don't think the flavor of ketchup matches well to other toppings, but if someone wants ketchup on their hot dog, and I know this sounds like heresy, I've got no problem with it. However, if you order a hot dog with everything, we're not putting ketchup on it. Tsuris like that I don't need."

Merrill Powers, a friend of mine who competes on the barbecue circuit tells this tale: "My son has been frequenting Gene & Jude's, a well known Chicago hot dog joint. I had never been there and he asked if we could go there for lunch. Not being one to deny myself a good lunch, I agreed. While in a very long line, he says, 'They have the worlds best ketchup here, you have got to try it. It's not bottled, I think they make it here.' OK, 17 year old son being helpful, I should have been suspicious. Following his advice, I asked for my dog with ketchup and onions. The entire line stopped, leered at me and I was told to go to the back of the line. They were serious. They would not serve me! They don't even have ketchup for their fries. Which are fresh cut and out of this world. My son and his friend were laughing hysterically! I had the last laugh though... I had the money and he had to go to the back with me! He didn't think that part was funny."

My motto, on all 500 pages of my website, is "No rules in the bedroom or the dining room." But frankly, I've been thinking of changing it to, "Only one rule in the bedroom or the dining room."

What do you like on your hot dogs?

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Raw onion

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Tomato

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Cream cheese

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Hot dog chili

Beans

Bacon

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Earlier this week Oscar Mayer and Ball Park found themselves before a judge in Chicago accusing each other of false advertising. One battle in the wiener wars is over Oscar Meyer...
Earlier this week Oscar Mayer and Ball Park found themselves before a judge in Chicago accusing each other of false advertising. One battle in the wiener wars is over Oscar Meyer...
 
 
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05:11 PM on 08/28/2011
Obviously you've never had "Secret Stadium Sauce" from Miller Park (where the Brewers play) otherwise it would be on your poll.

Better than anything I've ever had on a hot dog or brat.
01:45 PM on 08/24/2011
Wow I must really be messed up then...I like ketchup, mustard AND pickle relish on mine! lol
11:37 PM on 08/23/2011
I love the food in Chicago because it is seasoned and put together properly so that you can experience the taste.

If you eat a hotdog in Chicago that is properly prepared, you will not miss the ketchup.
05:19 PM on 08/23/2011
I only eat veggie dogs, so I'm far past the stage of ritualistic hot dog eating. But for me: yellow mustard, sauerkraut, raw onion (or caramelized onion). That's it. I do my brats the same way except I use beer onions and brown mustard. My girlfriend uses vegan mayo and ketchup. I'm all for weird combos, but that just doesn't work.
02:10 PM on 08/23/2011
I've seen folks insist putting mayo on a steak and cheese, I've seen people put ketchup in corned beef and hash, I've even witnessed someone ask for a hot cold-cut. Be them mad men or pioneers, I'm not one to judge, but the day I order ketchup on a hotdog is the day hell freezes over.
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07:03 AM on 08/23/2011
How about that... Absolutely NO hotdog!
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maxom
Just flew over the coo coo's nest
11:55 PM on 08/22/2011
Another good reason not to go to Chicago.
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westbygoddoug
the weird turn pro
05:57 PM on 08/22/2011
West Virginia hot dogs...yellow mustard, raw onion, sauce (we don't call it chili), and slaw. That's the bomb right there.
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TheWM
aka The Wrong Monkey
04:43 PM on 08/22/2011
Gray's Papaya in NYC, ask for your dogs with everything. I'm not sure what toppings are included in "everything," but it's good.
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AngelaQuattrano
I just like to write comments
04:32 PM on 08/22/2011
How dare anyone enjoy their hot dogs the way they want it? They need to take orders from people who insist that they are the only ones who know the right way to enjoy food!
04:22 PM on 08/23/2011
Food Fascist!! Food Fascist!! *Jumps up and down pointing finger at you*


LOL...I think I found my new catch phrase.
notreallyabadguy
Help ever, Hurt never.
02:43 PM on 08/22/2011
"west virgina hot dog". Steamed or lightly toasted buns, then a little ketchup, chopped raw onion, beef hot dog chilli (no beans) and cole slaw. My mom makes awesome chilli and slaw and they are wonderful hot dogs. I like mustard dogs too, but ketchup has its place even though I would never mix the two on the same dog.
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commonsense333
02:31 PM on 08/22/2011
Clint says, no ketchup in that clip right? But check out the Dirty Harry movie with the famous line, "Do you feel lucky punk?" He is eating a hot dog in that scene, and he gets ketchup on his pants, and people think he was shot, but he wasn't. His dog was dripping ketchup.
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O K Ali
Wash your hands, seriously.
01:37 PM on 08/22/2011
Oh, and it has to be a Nathans or Sabretts.
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O K Ali
Wash your hands, seriously.
01:36 PM on 08/22/2011
Once again, it's about moderation. I use ketchup, but i don't drown the frankfurter in it. If I'm using other condiments like sauerkraut or chili and cheese, I go with the red stuff.
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obtusegoose
aka David in Houston
08:10 AM on 08/22/2011
Spicy brown mustard should have been on the list above. It's not the same thing a Dijon.

The ketchup/mustard thing is a sweet vs savory issue. Regardless, ketchup on a hotdog is an affront to God, and everything good and right in the world. It's like if you put mayo on a pastrami sandwich. You might as well etch 666 on your head, because anyone that would do this truly is the incarnate of Satan. The National Organization for Hotdogs is demanding that all Republicans running for president, pledge to support a Constitution amendment banning ketchup on hotdogs. God bless, America and family values!
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IrieMoon
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
10:27 AM on 08/22/2011
Well pass the ketchup and call me Satan...'cause I like ketchup on hot dogs!

:)

And guess what, I didn't like ketchup on hot dogs as a kid. I only ate them with mustard as a kid.
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patg00
2 is the odd prime
02:04 PM on 08/22/2011
Yes, I remember at Lincoln park zoo,in the 60's (when it was okay to throw marshmallows at Mike), the hotdog stand in the middle of the zoo only had Koop's spicy brown mustard. no ketchup, onions, relish, or anything but the mustard.