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Fixing Gross Inequality Is Not Socialism

Posted: 05/09/2012 8:33 pm

What if the president proposed something big -- something that really focused on a broader question, such as the fundamental inequality in America? Well, surely, if he did so, he would be labelled a socialist! Not socialist as defined in the academic sense, or as the rest of the world uses it in its political life, but in the crude way that Republicans have always used it -- as a brickbat to throw at their political opposition.

This has all happened before. In the 1936 election, when FDR proposed the "radical" safety net of Social Security, his Republican opponent Gov. Alf Landon painted a portrait, familiar to FDR's detractors, of the president as a communist and socialist:

Imagine the field opened for federal snooping. Are these 26 million going to be fingerprinted? Are their photographs going to be kept on file in a Washington office? Or are they going to have identification tags put around their necks?

Fortunately, Americans ignored him and gave FDR an overwhelming victory.

Democrats are again in an excellent position to take a risk like FDR took with the New Deal. They might give themselves some identity other than that of modest centrists, constantly worried about offending one constituency or another.

Professional party Democrats in Washington have been dismissive of the New Deal for the past twenty years, considering it a coalition of voting groups that are now "passé." While that is true, they could learn from the example of a White House administration tending to the needs -- and the pain -- of Americans. FDR's administration was not afraid to institute programs that the Republicans condemned as "socialist"; it was ready to take the flak from a right wing that was always prominent in the Republican party -- and that now seems to control it.

Commenting on Republican congressman Allen West's assertion that there are currently "78 to 81" Communists in the Democratic party, Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein wrote in a recent Washington Post op-ed, entitled "Let's just say it: The Republicans are the problem":

The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition. When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country's challenges.

They're going to call us socialists or communists no matter what we do, so now seems like as good a time as any -- when their party is in disarray -- to solve inequality. It's not "class warfare." When I was young, America, indeed, had a real class system (in the same way that much of the world still does). Now, social distinction is largely based on income bracket, not birth. Inequality is the problem.

Discrimination because of class difference was bad enough, but our present inequalities have a new, quite sinister origin. Money means power. Super money means super power. It's not just that the top 1 percent -- and the top 0.1 percent -- skims their money off the top. What is more important is that power is concentrated in a very few hands, which is a disaster for our democracy. (See Paul Krugman's article "Plutocracy, Paralysis, Perplexity.")

As a result, we see two things happening. The first is abuse of the capitalist system -- demonstrated by free enterprise run amok as experienced in 2008, and from which we still suffer. The second is the tremendous control wielded by those who provide money for campaign financing. They are the people FDR once summed up quite neatly as "organized money."

Let us draw a line between business institutions that are expected to perform essential services for us and those that are allowed to carry on in the ways to which they are accustomed. (Although, hopefully, with less "buccaneering." The Dodd-Frank legislation designed to introduce regulation has been badly watered down or not even carried out.)

We should simply recognize those business institutions that provide basic services and require close monitoring to ensure that these services are performed well. No, not nationalization, but careful regulation of businesses that agree to provide specific services with agreed-upon "just profits."

Credit cards and a bank account are essential to daily life. The New York Times reported on April 30 that "The banking industry as a whole earned nearly $30 billion last year from overdraft fees on debit cards and checking accounts." An attorney from the National Consumer Law Center summed it up: "Profits are the reasons for fees, not risk or costs."

And what about loans for buying a house? Or for education? And health insurance, perhaps even life insurance? What about heating our home? Many communities contract with a provider for water and electricity. Is not the profit factor agreed upon? And monitored? (Is that not how we handle military contracts, even if we don't monitor those very well?)

There is a long history of business working closely with private enterprise, going back to the New Deal and on through World War II. At the local level today we have many examples. The Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority in New York comes to mind. There are other experiments with "hybrid companies," as Stephanie Strom informed us in the New York Times: "A new type of company intended to put social goals ahead of making profits is taking root around the country, as more states adopt laws to bridge the divide between nonprofits and businesses."

But, one knows that most institutions, particularly the big ones, will not respond voluntarily, or simply won't cooperate. Hence, there is little realistic choice other than government intervention and supervision. Government action was behind every program of the New Deal. And we seemed not only to have survived but also prospered. No question about it: on a nationwide scale, our government needs to provide the framework and monitoring of these "service institutions."

This regulation would be but one step in a major political effort to set right the inequality in our economic and social system. Introducing this in no way diminishes the other measures needed, such as a radical shakeup of the taxing formulas.

Shifting the thrust of economic policy to emphasize -- and actively promote -- the quality of our life is essential, and it's hardly radical or socialist. Are we Americans willing to grasp this?

 
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03:52 PM on 05/11/2012
Americans have been conditioned to believe that equality can only be achieved with a leftist government. This is one of the many unfortunate legacies of the Cold War. Americans need to realize that the old believes founded on a polarized World do not apply today. Safety net programs like Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Student Loan Programs, Food Stamps and many others have helped Americans in need regardless of income. Today we are faced with demographics and an overpriced healthcare system affecting the quality of life of all Americans. Universal Health Insurance is the antidote to this problem. It is a social program that was met with stiff opposition by the right when it was first proposed, because most of the right belief system has not come out of the Cold War era and anything that the right perceives as government intrusion into how industry profits scares them. The Right core belief is that inequality is a necesity for capitalism to thrive. This is a bankrupt idea that the right is not willing to accept. But, most Americans are not to the Right...most Americans know that inequality is wrong, they feel it...they don't like it and know that it is in our power to change what we don't like.
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
06:21 PM on 05/11/2012
The single answer to income inequality, that doesn't involve a totalitarian government, is economic growth.

Universal healthcare is a terrific method for preventing it.
wufdog
Liberal hope & change vs. the right's dopes & rage
11:54 PM on 05/11/2012
That's either insane or dishonest. Plenty of nations have universal health care without totalitarianism. Another problem with such hyperbolic and disingenuous spin is the dumbing down of real totalitarianism so that people can't recognize it anymore. Totalitarism is constant to the lives of its citizens, and any dissent or complaint is met with the most brutal measures. Totalitarian governments are known for a lot of things, but caring for their citizens is not one of them. We, on the other hand, still have a democracy despite the wealthy elites' best efforts. If don't like the way things the government is running, say, social security, we can vote the bums out. In a totalitarian state, if you don't like the way things are being run, you shut up and try not to be noticed.
04:40 PM on 05/15/2012
...economic growth is not the answer to inequality because we need 1.5%GDP growth to keep up with population growth every year. Our economic growth (without wars as catalyst to economic expansion) for the last 40 years average about 2.5%GDP. This is not enough to deal with the problem of income inequality. There is only a handful of ways to deal with income inequality...the goal is for 65% of the population to have enough purchasing power so that they can pay for the necessities found in that group of the population economic basket of goods...National Health Insurance will make this important item in the basket of goods affordable to every American...you don't prevent inequality by this Program... on the contrary, it relieves income inequality a great deal....
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disporting
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
11:57 AM on 05/11/2012
Mr. Roosevelt;
Please run for President. We need a strong, bold, and fearless leader to stand up for people and fight against the wealthy and corporations. We need your voice and your courage to bring relief to those of us who are downtrodden and ignored.
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I know what just passed here
09:06 AM on 05/11/2012
Of course it’s socialism. FDR was a socialist. The author of this article is named Roosevelt and therefore…a WITCH!
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
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03:12 AM on 05/11/2012
Note similarities to the present...

http://www.sparknotes.com/history/european/frenchrev/summary.html
SparkNotes­: The French Revolution (1789-1799­): Summary of Events

"No one factor was directly responsibl­e for the French Revolution­. Years of feudal oppression and fiscal mismanagem­ent contribute­d to a French society that was ripe for revolt. Noting a downward economic spiral in the late 1700s, King Louis XVI brought in a number of financial advisors to review the weakened French treasury. Each advisor reached the same conclusion­—that France needed a radical change in the way it taxed the public—and each advisor was, in turn, kicked out.

Finally, the king realized that this taxation problem really did need to be addressed, so he appointed a new controller general of finance, Charles de Calonne, in 1783. Calonne suggested that, among other things, France begin taxing the previously exempt nobility. The nobility refused, even after Calonne pleaded with them during the Assembly of Notables in 1787. Financial ruin thus seemed imminent.

The Estates-Ge­neral

In a final act of desperatio­n, Louis XVI decided in 1789 to convene the Estates-Ge­neral, an ancient assembly consisting of three different estates that each represente­d a portion of the French population­. If the Estates-Ge­neral could agree on a tax solution, it would be implemente­d. However, since two of the three estates—th­e clergy and the nobility—w­ere tax-exempt­, the attainment of any such solution was unlikely..­."
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theprogressiveanalyst
Ignorance is a dangerous thing
11:02 PM on 05/10/2012
The problem is that too many leaders of the Democratic Party have strayed from the core principles that used to guide the party. Too many have been captured by moneyed interests--my estimate is from one-third to 40%. Even those who haven't become beholden to the moneyed interests are far too often afraid to speak out for the 99%. I think Obama's heart is pretty much in the right place, but far too often he has been much too cautious. He also seems to be somewhat in thrall of the financial industry and thinks they have the answers. Too many Democrats are wimps. How many today would say the things FDR did, like his railing against economic royalists, saying that they hated him and "I welcome their hatred." We don't have to go that far, but we need leaders who will stand up to the rich and powerful and stand up for what is right.
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Live, Love, & Laugh
10:43 PM on 05/10/2012
The daily rant...Today, I listened to a woman, who identified herself as a middle class American Socialist, declare that America should become a socialist country. I had to wonder what she she was really after. I mean, I'm a middle class American, I've worked really hard to get where I'm at, I've taken care of myself and family, I use the benefits that I've earned, I volunteer to help those in need, I donate to charity, pay my taxes, keep my kids in check...aren't I doing enough without giving up the dream I have for my family?

I mean really, if she's so conerned about others, why doesn't she just donate a hefty part of her salary because that's what socialist do, take everyone's money and spread it out. The problem that I see is that people who value socialistic systems aren't willing to take vows of poverty to help their fellow man, they just want everyone else to give it up so they can control who gets what while preserving their standard of living.

So to the lady who wants everything spread out...I'm ok with you giving up your chunk of stability/security/safety if you want to, but stay away from my pie... Ok, I'm done :)
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10:28 PM on 05/10/2012
The past is becoming the future...

http://libcom.org/library/us-thibodaux-massacre-1887
US: The Thibodaux Massacre of 1887 | libcom.org

"One of the most interestin­g, and probably least known events in Louisiana history is the Thibodaux Massacre of 1887, the second most bloody labor dispute in U.S. history.

Although most of the blood letting occurred in the environs of Thibodaux, the strike encompasse­d a larger area. The strike affected sugar plantation­s in St. Mary, Terrebonne ,and Lafourche parishes. These parishes make up an area known as the "sugar bowl." Thibodaux is the parish seat of Lafourche.

The plight of the sugar cane worker in 1887 was one of back-break­ing labor and meager pay. Most field hands were paid approximat­ely 13 dollars a month. They were also paid in script. Script was basically a coupon redeemable only at the company store owned by the planter. The store´s prices were normally marked up 100%. You can see that the worker usually wound up being indebted to the planter. Louisiana law stated that if a worker owed money to a planter he could not move off the planters land until the debt was paid. This law essentiall­y reduced the plantation laborer to the status of serf..."
09:39 PM on 05/10/2012
THE BIG LIE OF THE RIGHT

Since Reagan the American right - bankrolled by the likes of the Koch billionaires- has repreated that any group standing for social and collective rights is socialist or even communist.

They have turned it into a kind of slander repeated to satiety or disgust by lackey media such as Limbaugh, Kristol, the late Robert Novak, the late William Buckley... people of various levels of education and intelligence but all embarked in flasehood, slander, amalgamation.

It is time to point out that not any call for more vacation, increased minimum wage, maternity leave,
protected pension plans etc. is socialism or communism, but plain and simple human rights.

This needs to be drummed as relentlessly as the right has slandered anything from the center to the left.
wufdog
Liberal hope & change vs. the right's dopes & rage
04:53 PM on 05/12/2012
Speaking of Novak, I once heard him say the following on TV, "The definition of a conservative is someone who can look you in the eye and defend unfairness." I'm sure most people here would agree with him on that, but he meant it as a good thing. He was quoting someone else, however, and I have been trying to track down that quotation. Does anyone know it?
08:07 PM on 05/12/2012
Novak was an aggressive man of sparkling intelligence, who had his own ironic and semi-delinquent vocabulary. He described his contacts as "sources" or "targets" (of his own slander)
He had a mind that could fend against himself and adopt self-contradictory positions, but in a nutshell, when all is said and done, he was for the very rich, against any social measures and for a super aggressive foreign policy, especially in Irak.
09:32 PM on 05/10/2012
Here is the fix. Let the automatic cuts happen at the end of the year. That way we will get rid of the ridiculous Bush tax cuts and seriously cut the crazy bloated defense budget. Next set the defense budget at 50% of where it is today and we will still be the most powerful country on earth. Next tax all income (including capital gains) above $ 500,000 per year at a 60 % rate, eliminate all corporate welfare and mortgage deductions, get rid of most of the special write offs in general and institute a flat tax of 17% for people earning less than $ 500,000 per year. No federal tax on incomes below $ 50,000 per year. Means test social security and medicare. Get rid of the cap on contributions. Increase social security age for people under 50 to age 68, bump up low income social security payments, implement a negative income tax to help the working poor. Put in a single payer national health service with a system that allows only those procedures and tests that have been validated by clinical trials. Our single payer system should be established in such a manner that healthcare costs in this country fall to 10% of GDP per year (from 17% today). Implement a national energy policy that gets us substantially off of oil and coal by 2030 mainly by ramping up natural gas and renewables. Follow the Harvard and MIT lead on providing free education over the internet.
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
01:51 PM on 05/12/2012
That all sounds like a great Democrat platform,

...for getting even more Republicans elected... (snicker)
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08:41 PM on 05/10/2012
U.S. workers' share of national income is at an ALL-TIME low:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/PRS85006173
FRED« Nonfarm Business Sector: Labor Share

While corporate profits are increasing:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CP
FRED« Corporate Profits After Tax

Mainly because of reduced wages and benefits:

"JPMorgan’s July 11 “Eye on the Market” newsletter put it, “Reductions in wages and benefits explain the majority of the net improvement in [profit] margins… US labor compensation is now at a 50-year low relative to both company sales and US GDP.”

http://www.workingamerica.org/blog/2012/03/08/1-got-93-of-u-s-income-in-2009-2010-more-long-term-jobless-than-reported/
1% Got 93% of U.S. Income in 2009-2010, More Long-Term Jobless Than Reported ½ Main Street

"More confirmation that the extremely rich are getting richer and those without jobs are suffering even more.

In 2009 and 2010, the first year of the current “recovery,” the 1 percent captured 93 percent of U.S. income growth. Repeat: 93 percent of income growth went to the 1 percent..."
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special38x2
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10:49 PM on 05/10/2012
Sad reflection of corporate greed...penalize those not putting signficant portions of their gained wealth back into those helping to create their wealth?? What's the answer?
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12:24 AM on 05/11/2012
The answer sure isn't continued voting for the corporate-controlled two-party duopoly which will never result in any meaningful reforms.

There are two options:

o MASSIVE and peaceful movement, like civil rights
o Second revolution

The only thing that will wake up Americans is a shortage of affordable food.

"Civilizat­ion and anarchy are only seven meals apart" — Spanish proverb
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
09:29 PM on 05/12/2012
"But it’s just not true, according to a new study in National Tax Journal from researchers at Cornell University. The academics, led by economist Richard Burkhauser, don’t say the findings of Piketty and Saez are wrong — just incredibly, massively incomplete. According to the Cornell study, median household income – properly measured – rose 36.7%, not 3.2% like Piketty and Saez argue. That’s a big miss."

http://blog.american.com/2012/04/obamas-inequality-argument-just-utterly-collapsed/

Working America relies upon the flawed findings of one Emmanuel Saez at the Economic Policy Institute. His conclusions about rising income inequality over the last thirty years has been completely debunked, because the data he used is so incomplete. This, his latest study makes the same error, Old Tulsan. You've been had.

"Researchers considering levels and trends in the resources available to the middle class traditionally measure the pre-tax cash income of either tax units or households. In this paper, we demonstrate that this choice carries significant implications for assessing income trends. Focusing on tax units rather than households greatly reduces measured growth in middle class income. Furthermore, excluding the effect of taxes and the value of in-kind benefits further reduces observed improvements in the resources of the middle class. Finally, we show how these distinctions change the observed distribution of benefits from the tax exclusion of employer provided health insurance."

http://www.nber.org/papers/w17164.pdf
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03:54 AM on 05/13/2012
Are the St Louis Federal Reserve graphs false ?
07:56 PM on 05/10/2012
"Fixing Gross Inequality Is Not Socialism"

And by fixing you mean taking from others what is not yours?
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unfoxworthy
We:ScottOlsens,the misfits,out to change the world
08:55 PM on 05/10/2012
Yah, like the banks did when they took trillions from the Fed.
Or haven't you tuned in to REALITY lately?
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Jeff Wolverton
(not my real name)
09:30 PM on 05/10/2012
If the inequality was a direct result of "privatize the gains, but socialize the losses" (as in banks too big to fail so we bail them out, corporate tax loopholes bought by lobbying, etc) then it's they that have been taking from others what is not theirs. Systematically, for decades. (If you're rich and a law causes you to lose money, you can spend a million on lobbyists to get it changed.)
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chichora123
09:40 PM on 05/10/2012
you ofcourse think that majority of the so called rich population consists of wallstreeters, lobbyists, etcetra.

I hope you remember that conservatives were and are against all bailouts.
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RUKidding0
Freedom is Fundamental
10:07 PM on 05/10/2012
If the inequality was a direct result of "privatize the gains, but socialize the losses" - CHANGE THAT.

Don't use it as an excuse to increase tax rates to fund your social engineering aspirations.
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chichora123
07:43 PM on 05/10/2012
The resentment at the rich is amusing to notice here. Just so that I understand though, are the only rich people in this country come from the Wallstreet ? Do they constitute the majority of the rich people ? Also, is it a general assumption that rich can only get rich by taking money from the poor ?
10:46 PM on 05/10/2012
From your letter I can only assume that you are rich, so you have no idea what it is like to live month to month.
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chichora123
12:52 PM on 05/11/2012
You competely side stepped my questions. Let me repeat. Is it your assertion that the rich people consist only of walstreeters, lobbyists, etcetra ? Are there no people who got rich by genuine hardwork and/or being intelligent ?

To respond to your point, no I am not "rich". I your regular middle class guy. But I don't covet Thy neighbors money.
06:06 PM on 05/10/2012
But the changes made under FDR *were* socialist in nature. In fact, they were basically taken from the socialist platform. And the tactics used weren't exactly choir-boy material. When the Supreme Court was poised to strike down a good deal of FDR's New Deal, he threatened to increase the size of the court and appoint enough justices who would vote his way.

His approach to governing in this fashion was not only novel, it was unethical. I wouldn't on this level try and draw many comparisons to FDR.
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theprogressiveanalyst
Ignorance is a dangerous thing
10:49 PM on 05/10/2012
Social Security and unemployment insurance were first devised and implemented by Bismark in Germany, hardly a socialist. In fact, he instituted policies such as these in order to combat the attraction that socialism had for workers and to bind them to the nation. Socialists had predicted that class consciousness would cut across national boundaries, making national wars impossible. They were dismayed, and Bismark's intentions fulfilled, when German workers loyally and gladly took up arms against French workers in WWI. Try studying a little history and political theory. BTW, FDR's proposal was perfectly legal and constitutional and the court has not always had 9 justices. It has had 5 and 7 in the past.
06:05 PM on 05/10/2012
We sure could use an FDR now, possibibly the best president in our nations history. Social Security (FDR) and Medicare (LBJ) plus often overlooked Medicaid (LBJ) have made the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans better and saved countless lives in the process
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
08:24 PM on 05/10/2012
Unfortunately, all we've got right now is another Carter, with another Nixon waiting in the wings.
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theprogressiveanalyst
Ignorance is a dangerous thing
10:52 PM on 05/10/2012
Nixon is far to the left of Romney and even to the left of Obama. His proposed health care plan was more leftist, he adopted the clean air, clean water acts, favored wage and price controls, and a number of other measures. If he had been more straight forward in foreign policty and not a crook, he would have been a pretty good president.
Zip Zinzel
If a Nation expects to be both Ignorant & Free . .
05:02 PM on 05/10/2012
FIRST WHAT IS SOCIALISM?
IMHO, the bad form of Socialism, is a system of benefits for the middle and lower classes paid for almost exclusively by the upper classes.
THE MOST POPULAR FORM OF THIS IN THE US, is the somewhat widely popular notion that we should shore up the financial shortcomings of the Entitlement Programs by simply raising the Earnings-Cap on folks with upper incomes WITHOUT simultaneously increasing their payouts at retirement.
IF THE ADVOCATES OF THIS AGENDA, intended to increase the payouts in line with the contributions, then it is obvious, that Raising-the-Cap, would SOLVE NOTHING.
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AS A PROGRESSIVE DEM, I HATE THE IDEA OF A BUFFET-RULE, which is actually so tiny that it solves NOTHING-
It would amount to about 1% of the amount we currently spend on InterestPayments on the Debt.
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THE REAL FIRST STEP is that we need to completely and PERMANENTLY throw out all the special treatments that we apply to the Income of the Wealthy, Most of the SuperRich, get most of their money through things other than wages.

1) TOSS OUT the 15% rates on CapitalGains, Dividends, and HedgeFundManagers, and tax EVERYTHING as ORDINARY INCOME

2) PERMANENTLY SIMPLIFY THE AMT, no deductions, percentage of AGI, IRS automatically adjust for inflation.

THESE TWO COMMON-SENSE APPROACHES would have more than 10x the benefit of any Buffet-Rule.
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LJ P
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
05:48 PM on 05/10/2012
Hmm, Could it be there is a Reasonable Progressive Dem after all? OF maybe one that doesn't realize they are not really progressive dems. More likely the latter, but in any case, I can agree to those.

Can you agree to a total flat tax where the tax code is a one page document published every 2 years, which has one sentence on it. "The tax rate for all Americans is xx%". No loopholes, no deductions, to incentives, nothing for anybody. IF that happened it is estimates that the rate could be 14% to 18% to actually increase the revenue to the federal government. Everyone pays based on what they make. if a millionaire makes 10,000,000 they pay 1.5 million in tax. if a family makes 10,000 they pay 1500. The savings in reductions in the IRS would service the debt all by itself, some 790 Billion annually today. Now that is equality and fair. The rich get no breaks and neither do the poor. Something for everyone to hate and everyone to love.
Zip Zinzel
If a Nation expects to be both Ignorant & Free . .
07:13 PM on 05/10/2012
THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY LJ

AS A PROGRESSIVE, I believe in a Progressive Income Tax-
. . as did Adam Smith, and the vast majority of our Founding Fathers
IMO, I wouldn't tax anyone in excess of 40%, except in extraordinary circumstances like
* After WWI & WWII, or NOW to pay for Bush's TWO Wars
* Like now to pay down the Mountain of GOP Debt that was run up during the Administrations of Reagan & GWB (unlike most, I don't want to pay this debt DOWN, I WANT TO PAY IT COMPLETELY OFF)

SO NO, I don't believe in any type of FLAT, or so-called FAIR, TAX
All of which are ultimately a giant tax cut for the wealthy and a tax increase therefore for everyone else.

AS FAR AS FILING YOUR TAXES, an enormous portion of our citizens can get by with filling out the 1040EZ or 1040A, and some simple implementations of the full 1040.
Mostly it is simply a matter of following instructions, which most of us have been conditioned to believe are too complicated for us to do.
As I HS Teacher, I regularly taught students how to do taxes in less than a week.
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A 1page Tax Code, YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ECON, OR ACCOUNTING.
IF WE SIMPLIFIED THE TAX CODE TOMORROW, politicians would expand it up, very quickly.
10,000 page tax code means nothing, if only 5 pages apply to your situation.
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REALITY-CHECK= Politicians will never eliminate HomeMortgageDeduction, or
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Live, Love, & Laugh
10:54 PM on 05/10/2012
OMG, I just found the VP, voting you in with ZIP... :) F&F
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Lance Manling
07:00 PM on 05/10/2012
Is there a good form of socialism?

This idea of your sound really super but do you have any numbers which would substantiate these changes?
Zip Zinzel
If a Nation expects to be both Ignorant & Free . .
10:22 PM on 05/10/2012
THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY LANCE

IS THERE A GOOD FORM OF SOCIALISM ?
This really gets back to definitions

TO SOME PEOPLE, ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF SOMALIA, or the US Gilded-Age of the RobberBarons
IS SOCIALISM.

MY ANSWER WOULD BE
1) For starters, every other advanced Nation on the Planet has a Socialized Medicine System, although there are many different levels of Private/Public
OUR PRIVATE MEDICINE SYSTEM IN THE US, provides among the worst results with the undisputed HIGHEST COSTS anywhere else on earth.
SADLY, our current system grew up under public subsidies, and there are no good transition models.
The way our system works is that due to cost-shifting, it is next to impossible to pay your own way anymore.
And the Beneficiaries are an ever shrinking group of people with Cadillac Coverage, SUBSIDIZED BY EVERYONE ELSE.
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I recently spent time in Germany and found their system pretty good, and the people are quite happy with it.
EXCEPT, many, many people cannot afford to drive over there.
Most of the Scandinavian countries are happy with their Socialism, and willing to pay the taxes necessary to support their systems
THE SWEDES, recently voted to cut back on their Social Benefits and cut taxes in the process.
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HORRIBLE SYSTEMS France & Greece, that want benefits paid for by SantaClaus