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D. Brad Wright

D. Brad Wright

Posted: November 23, 2009 08:06 AM

The Price of Hospital Stays Around the World

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Technology costs more in the United States. Physicians cost more in the United States. What about the charges of health care facilities? Today, we examine the cost of hospitalization to find more of the same. First, the average cost of a day spent in the hospital:








The average day spent in a U.S. hospital costs anywhere from 6 to 25 times the cost of staying in a hospital for a day in the world's other industrialized nations. Maybe that's because we have cable television in the room? It's actually hard to imagine what could account for such a wide disparity in prices. What happens if we take into account the average length of stay and take a look at the average hospital stay?

Surprisingly, the gap narrows slightly. What does this mean? That patients in U.S. hospitals have, on average, shorter lengths of stay than they do in other industrialized nations. It's not possible to tell from these data whether the difference is statistically significant, or whether there's any relationship between length of stay and quality of outcomes, but if we want to feel better about ourselves as a nation, I suppose we can take pride in the fact that we seem to keep people in the hospital for less time than other countries do. Hooray!


UPDATE: People are somewhat confused about the source of the data and the fact that for some countries, values of "0" are reported. First, I'd point you to the beginning post in this cost series, which explains where the data come from. As for the "0" problem, this is merely an artifact of the way in which these countries finance their health care system. For example, in the UK, the government owns the hospitals, and the financing for this comes from tax revenues, so there's no direct charge to the individual for hospitalization. I will readily admit that this makes the comparison somewhat meaningless -- please do not interpret the zeroes to mean that hospitalization doesn't cost anything in the UK or Germany. It certainly does. It just gets paid for by the citizens as a whole, rather than by the individual. (I know, I know, how socialist...)

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schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
09:09 PM on 11/24/2009
I met a fellow who just spent 3 days in the hospital for a cardiac event,,,,the CHARGES were 103,000 for 3 days....

My understanding is that here if you have a c-section, you are out in 48 hours,,,In France, you stay in the hospital 10 days that is right, 10 days.........A hospital is about nursing care where ever you are...and the nurses here get around $25 per hour overall, and in france they get a bit less, but they also get 6 weeks of vacaction and no worries about healthcare insurance....
08:03 AM on 11/24/2009
The U.S. actually has hospitals, the others do not even qualify as a Motel 6.
02:02 PM on 11/24/2009
Have you ever visited any hospital outside of the US? How about Toronto's world class children's hospital, one of the best pediatric research centres in the world. Or Stollery Children's Hospital (where my grand-daughter received a liver transplant) in Edmonton, Alberta, which is one of the leaders in pediatric organ transplants. Or the new Mazankowski Heart Institute, a billion dollar investment that the province of Alberta has made, and is a leader in cardiac care. Throughout the world there are hospitals that can go head-to-head with any in the US. The one think about our Canadian hospitals is that all of us are treated as equals, all have access to care, and none of us will be left destitute as a result.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
09:11 PM on 11/24/2009
Sorry but your statement does not hold water,,,in fact, the nosocomial infection rate is about the same throughout the developed countries....the difference is that here, you have a 10% chance of picking up an infection and you are in the hospital about 1/3 of the time that you would have in the other developed countries......and no increase in the risk of infection, it is 10% of all admissions....
08:01 PM on 11/23/2009
What's interesting is, that hotels and restaurant meals in Europe generally are about 1-2 times higher than in the U.S. So this is not just a 3rd world effect.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
09:13 PM on 11/24/2009
that is just not true, unless you are comparing apples and oranges.... restaurant meals in France include the right amount of food, and a three course lunch for the same price as you would spend here and the dinners were about the same way......
02:00 PM on 11/23/2009
Yup. 99% of Americans have no idea how far bellow the country stands in comparison to other similarly developed countries and even many less deveoped ones in terms of Health Care. Since they have no basis for comparison, they just think their lot is better or good enough. It's not. The costs are vertiginously high, coverage is denied, the care itself is not necessarily high end or even remotely proportionate to the cost...

Why exactly are the costs so high in the US again? Especially with the week dollar, shouldn't it be the other way around?
11:02 PM on 11/23/2009
Haven't you heard "We have the best health care in the world"?

The irony of our ignorance and the duplicity of our elected "representatives" leaves me speechless at times. This is one of them. Just posting to say "I can say no more".
01:48 PM on 11/23/2009
Another thing many people don't realize is that in the USA it is common practice
to bill private pay patients at a higher rate than those who are insured, for the
same treatments and rooms. I found this out the hard way (we have catastrophic
insurance only, and have never filed a claim on it, I was paying out of pocket.)

When I protested my bill, the clerk inadvertantly told me, "well, if you had insurance
your bill would be lower". I thought she meant that MY 'co-payment' would be lower.
Obviously.
But that was not what she meant. The bill itself would be lower, because I had insurance.
Nice catch-22 there !
11:12 PM on 11/23/2009
Did you pay cash, immediately? I recently had a hospital visit and when I got the bill the hospital was gracious enough to say "for our patients without insurance, we offer a 45% discount for immediate payment". It is well and truly a bizarre country we live in as far as health care is concerned. The insurance companies negotiate a payment scale that is about 60% of the rate a non-insured patient would be billed for a given procedure. Why? When the hospital writes the bill off as uncollectible, they get to write more off against their tax bill. Or, if you can pay, they get more money from you, since you're "able" to pay.

We need single payer now. Everybody gets charged the same amount for the same procedure, everybody's bill gets paid and nobody goes broke trying to afford medical care.
04:47 AM on 11/25/2009
I paid the hospital bill immediately upon being billed. No discount.
But for some reason our hospital (it's the only one for hundreds of miles)
outsources its emergency room physicians and they work for someplace in Timbuctoo.
So I had to wait six weeks or so for the ER physician's bill to arrive.
That doctor spent a grand total of 30 seconds assessing me and another
30 seconds telling me the diagnosis (arrived at by the hospital, he was just
reading the chart), which was such gobbledegook that the nurse had to google
it after he left and give me a printout from some medical info page.
For that I was billed $360 dollars in doctor's fees. Never did pay it.
But I got permission from Accounts Receivable to ignore it. Go figure.
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blueken
Finger Picking blues man
01:45 PM on 11/23/2009
The difference in cost comes down to the hidden fee the hospital has to tack on for treating the un-insured. Go to the ER at your local hospital. I'll bet 2/3 of the patients waiting for treatment are un-insured and at least half of them have a condition a primary care doctor could treat at 1/10th the cost. Here in MA we passed a universal health care bill. The first year it was revenue neutral. Then the economic melt down happened, and now it is somewhat in the red. I suspect under normal economic conditions, it will once again be revenue neutral. Too many un-employed right now. The reason is that when a patient shows up at the ER, the hospital, health care insurance companies within the state, and the state split the bill. For the un-insured, the ER is the only source for medical insurance. Even though the State subsidizes health care for those that can't afford it, we get some contribution to health care from them. If we could get an average of $10 a week from the un-insured for health care that would be $450 million a WEEK into the health care system.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
09:52 PM on 11/24/2009
Sorry, but I am not buying that explanation, not when an inpatient stay of 3 days is charged at 103,000...... they are paying the nurses for that stay less than $5,000 and that would be generous...5000/72 is about $70 per hour and even if you figure that some part of that is benefits, you are still looking at $50 per hour and the nurse is just attending to that one patient.....

There is more going on here than you want to know...It is kind of like the Assisted care facilities, charging 4 grand a month for a dinky apartment with a god awful kitchen and food and cleaning...that is over 130 per day...each and every day...for an apartment that would cost $1000 and care that they are paying at minimum wage split over 100 people and crappy food....
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Zia
01:22 PM on 11/23/2009
My wife and daughter stayed in a hospital for 3+4 days (total 7 days) and I paid USD 120 for the whole thing in my home country Bangladesh. While they were there, they had 24/7 doctor and nurse attendance plus round the clock specialist review.
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bepa
human rights first
08:40 AM on 11/23/2009
The graphs need more explanations.

How is it possible for the UK to have registered a 0 for Avg Cost per Hospital Day
and for Germany to have registered a 0 for Avg Cost per Hospital Stay?

What is the source for this data?
10:07 AM on 11/23/2009
I agree with bepa. I'd also like to know what USA low and USA high mean.

This could be interesting, but I'd like to know what I'm looking at.
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D. Brad Wright
10:44 AM on 11/23/2009
I've added an update to explain both questions.