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Dal LaMagna

Dal LaMagna

Posted: March 9, 2011 08:41 AM

Thank You Republicans For Guantanamo


Guantanamo is a situation created by Republicans, solutions for which are opposed by Republicans and used by Republicans as another unfair charge against Obama.

The Bush administration used a piece of a foreign country from which the host nation has been trying to evict us for over half a century as a dumping ground for anyone suspected of posing a risk to the U.S. The fact that the Bush administration released over half of their detainees without charges attests to the cavalier attitude taken in imprisoning these people to begin with.

The Bush administration simultaneously claimed that we were at war with the terrorists but that the prisoners of this war were not protected by the Geneva Convention. Because the prisoners were held out of the country and were not considered prisoners of war, the Bush administration declared themselves free from any standards of human decency and proceeded to torture the prisoners.

The torture of the prisoners did not guarantee any valuable intelligence, but it did guarantee that the U.S. could not use any of their statements in any legitimate tribunal either against the tortured prisoner or against any other prisoner reported on by the tortured prisoner. The torture also guaranteed the enmity of the rest of the civilized world.

When Bush's term was finally over, congressional Republicans and local Republican politicians took up the fight by refusing to support either detaining the prisoners on U.S. soil or trying them in U.S. civilian courts. To suggest that U.S. federal prisons were inadequate to the job of holding high-risk prisoners is ludicrous as is the notion that trying these accused terrorists in a civilian court is a threat to our centuries old judicial system.

Under these impossible circumstances, Obama has none the less made progress in fulfilling his pledge to close Guantanamo. He has assigned a handful of prisoners to the few countries willing to take them. He cannot send the bulk of them back to their native countries because whether these prisoners were terrorists when they were imprisoned, a decade of incarceration and harsh interrogation has made many of them into terrorists. He has also established rules for military tribunals, which will uphold the American standards of justice, but that wasn't sufficient for some Republicans.

And finally, after creating this tremendous stain on the reputation of our nation, the Republicans are criticizing Obama because he is not fixing their problem fast enough. This is another instance of the arsonists criticizing the fire department.

Written in collaboration with Frank Suttell.

 

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06:40 PM on 03/09/2011
Guantanamo - "a decade of incarceration" Just another case of "justice delayed, is justice denied."
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RobM1981
I try to be amused
05:24 PM on 03/09/2011
Wow.

I mean, you do realize that Barack Obama can reverse ALL of this with the stroke of his pen, right?

You do realize that George W. Bush has had no voice in this matter for over 2 years now, right?

The only thing stopping Barack Obama from closing Gitmo and moving the prisoners to the mainland is the fierce response from the AMERICAN PEOPLE that this would provoke.

George Bush has zero - nothing, nada - to do with this.

The President can do it. With the stroke of a pen, and an order to Secretary Holder and Secretary Gates.

He can.

He just won't.

And most of us knew that it couldn't be done, for the reasons I state here, 2.5 years ago.

But then again, we don't live in a bubble.
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eden4barack08
Watch out! He carries a big stick!
07:29 PM on 03/09/2011
LOL..George Bush OPENED the bloody place and left it there for his successor to clean up, so he WILL ALWAYS have something to do with this! ALWAYS!!!! Got it?
Yes, it's Obama's problem now, but it'll be in the history books FOREVER that this was BUSH'S CREATION!! That's inescapable!!!

You can't set a fire, then blame the firefighter for trying to put it out!
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RobM1981
I try to be amused
08:02 AM on 03/10/2011
You're missing the point - the firefighter, in your analogy, isn't trying to put it out. He just decided that he LIKES the fire... he AGREES with the fire... he's decided that the arsonist wasn't a criminal but was, instead, CORRECT when he started the fire.

Even though the firefighter swore to the whole nation that he would put this fire out, and even though this firefighter can - with a pen, and not even a hose - put this fire out.

He won't. He doesn't want to. He has changed his mind and realized that (sit down, this is going to sting)

President George Walker Bush was right.

This is 100% Obama's now. Don't be a hater...
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eden4barack08
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03:25 PM on 03/09/2011
Thank you for the truthiness, Mr LaMagna. It is godsend and very rare lately!
03:03 PM on 03/09/2011
Wow, Dal... go get 'em tiger!
MThomasNC
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03:00 PM on 03/09/2011
Let's put the Gitmo problem squarely on the conservative republicans' plate beginning w Bush43. Yes, Obama campaign on and wants to close Gitmo but conservative republicans blocked him all the way. No trials in NYC - blocked by Mayor Bloomberg and his republican cronies; housing them at any maximum security prison in US blocked by republicans crying 'not in my backyard.' What political phonies these republicans are.

Folks blaming Obama for not fulfilling his campaign promise of closing down Gitmo are being political and siding with his opponents to discredit him.
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Pashovski
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02:40 PM on 03/09/2011
We can't blame n e body but obama for this.

Deal with it.
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eden4barack08
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03:03 PM on 03/09/2011
"President Barack Obama's campaign pledge to shut the prison at Guantánamo Bay was rejected by his own party yesterday when Senate Democrats joined their Republican counterpar ts in voting not to pay for the closure.

The vote is the latest setback for the Obama administra tion, which has been widely criticised by supporters for deciding to restart the controvers ial military tribunals for detainees, first establishe d by President George Bush, but halted by Obama when he came to office.

The 90-6 vote in the Senate follows a similar decision in the House of Representa tives last week - a clear sign to Obama that he may struggle to convince the Democratic -controlle d Congress to agree with his plans to shut down the detention centre and move the 240 detainees. "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/20/close-guantanamo-funding-senate-obama
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02:22 PM on 03/09/2011
Actually, it's liberals who are criticizing Obama. Most Republicans are quite happy he is keeping it open.

The left is upset because he promised to close it in a year. Not "well if Congress lets me." a definitive, though broken, promise.
 
Once he didn't close it in a year, it became his issue to live with.
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02:08 PM on 03/09/2011
I can't believe people still think gitmo is open. Obama signed the order to close this sore the first week he was president. Gitmo has been closed for over 2 years now.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-22/politics/guantanamo.order_1_detention-guantanamo-bay-torture?_s=PM:POLITICS
02:29 PM on 03/09/2011
Hilarious article. Wonder if CNN ever published a follow-up article.
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eden4barack08
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02:33 PM on 03/09/2011
LOL..you think all it takes to close it was a signed order? Get real!
He signed the order, but the entire Congress refused to enact it. That's where we're at!
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eden4barack08
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02:05 PM on 03/09/2011
Mr LaMagna, you are a godsend!

It restores my faith in humanity and the future of our country when out of hundreds of liars and bashers, a truth teller emerges.
Thank you for this concise and honest article.
Sadly, it will not generate thousands of comments as the maligning articles do, but what can we say? That's America, where bad is headlined, and good is silenced.
02:00 PM on 03/09/2011
I agree totally with LaMagna. After creating Gitmo, their fear and insanity and treatment of these detainees/prisoners makes it difficult to bring them to trial with the tainted evidence provided with torture. But those that CAN be tried in federal courts SHOULD be tried there. Considering that these militiary trials have a 1% change of convicting them and legally imprisoning them, compared to the 99% of civil trials that have put them behind bars instead of out in the field, the terrorists the Cheney/Bush policies created with the illigal detention.

But then, federal trials would make sense, and when has the 'right thing' been anything more than a GOP campaign catch phrase.
01:46 PM on 03/09/2011
Excuses, excuses. The guy promised to close GITMO, he has renegged. All criticism from all sides is warranted. I know you people are sad that Obama turned out to be just another politician...
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PunKinPai
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02:01 PM on 03/09/2011
And your suggestion, considering all of the conditions Mr. LaMagna cited, would be what? If it's such a simple thing to accomplish I'm sure the president would have done it on his first day in office.
02:01 PM on 03/09/2011
considering that the Congress refused to allow them onto American soil - what would you, in the immaculate wisdon suggest?
02:43 PM on 03/09/2011
If I were Obama, I would keep GITMO open, because it is the best solution to the problem and I would either admit that I was wrong in thinking that closing GITMO was a good idea (essentially admitting to my naivete) or admit that I simply said I would close GITMO in order to please the mouth breathers and get elected.
12:55 PM on 03/09/2011
he's sending MORE prisoners to Guantanamo....you're delusional.
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eden4barack08
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02:06 PM on 03/09/2011
And you're lying!
12:47 PM on 03/09/2011
It is amazing. After a campaign where liberals/leftist dems/progs showed a complete lack of understanding on the need for GITMO and after Obama rode that kind of nonsense all the way into the WH, Obama and crew suddenly have realized it's just not quite that simple, is it?
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eden4barack08
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07:15 PM on 03/09/2011
Actually, it IS very simple. There's an empty prison in Illinois that the state was willing to lease to the Fed, where all the Gitmo detainees could've been transferred, and then tried in US courts, convicted or whatever their fate would've been.
The problem is not simplicity, it is the lack of desire from Congress to agree with that plan. They all voted against it, and against any funding for the President to carry it out. Period!
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thinklib
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12:21 PM on 03/09/2011
Shhhhhhhhh....

The whole "Guantanamo thing" is supposed to just go away.

I mean, we wouldn't want our Nobel Peace Prize-winning President to be accused of torturing prisoners and being a war criminal.

Right?
12:19 PM on 03/09/2011
He cannot send the bulk of them back to their native countries because whether these prisoners were terrorists when they were imprisoned, a decade of incarceration and harsh interrogation has made many of them into terrorists.

Cite your sources for the assertion that:

a) He "cannot" send them to their home countries; and

b) that many who were not terrorists when they were caputred but have been converted to terrorism now.

Also how do you calculate the "decade" you cite. No one was detained in 2001 - and the prisoners were not all caputed and detained in 2002. Obama's admin took over in 2009 - are you suggesting for the last 2 years under Obama these people have continued to be subject to harsh interrogation ? If not - how do we get to the 10 years you stated ?

Opinions are fine - but just making things up to make your argument work is minor league column writing at its best.
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05:41 PM on 03/09/2011
a) "The spending measure effectively bars the president from prosecuting any detainees in federal court or conducting military commission trials on U.S. soil. The bill makes it increasingly difficult to transfer detainees to foreign countries, even if the administration deems them safe to release. And it complicates the review process Obama plans in the executive order for nearly 50 detainees the administration has designated as too dangerous to free.”

b) A recent U.S. intelligence assessment said that five detainees released during Obama's presidency have engaged in or are suspected of engaging in terrorist or insurgent activity. During the Bush administration, more than 500 prisoners were released and the recent report by the Director of National Intelligence said as many as 150 of those former detainees have engaged in or are suspected of participating in efforts to harm the United States.