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Dan Dorfman

Posted: November 22, 2009 10:00 PM

2010 Could Wreak Havoc Again

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Maybe I'll toast in the new year with beer, not champagne. Why so? Read on.

First, seeing is believing, not hearing is believing. It's worth keeping that in mind since with less than seven weeks to go before we're in 2010, you'll soon be bombarded in print and on TV with Wall Street's annual new year's forecasts.

Given a respectable 2.8% economic growth rate in the third-quarter and a zippier stock market, with the Dow leaping to above 10,000 from its March low of about 6,550, you can be sure the predictions from the brokerage community will be decidedly rosy -- all designed to entice you to take more risk by pulling money out of low-yielding fixed income investments and pouring it into equities.

Expect to hear and read that we're definitely in the early stages of an unmistakable economic upturn and that 2010 will produce solid GDP growth, rising stock prices, a healthy rebound in housing and higher employment.

In fact, such happy talk is already making the rounds in initial 2010 forecasts. In an AOL interview, for example, officials of ING, the Dutch-based banking and insurance biggie, used many of these bullish arguments. In brief, it predicted about a 15% gain in stock prices next year on much peppier economic growth, with GDP gains of 2.8% in the first quarter, 3.4% in the second, 4% in the third and 4.4% in the fourth.

ING's exuberant message in a nutshell, which left no margin for error and went unchallenged by AOL: financially, 2010 will be a great year for America.

Hopefully so, but there are recurring and hellish signs out there that make it clear that the post recession recovery supposedly well under way is suspect and it may be way too soon to ring the all-clear bell.

On Manhattan's east side, for example, just a few blocks from the pricey Palm restaurant, a favorite dining spot for steak and lobster lovers, most of whom couldn't care less about the size of the bill, is a shoemaker's shop with a table just outside the entrance. On that table rests a bunch of new and reasonably new well shined men's shoes priced at $40 a pair that have been put up for sale since the previous owners apparently couldn't afford or wouldn't pay for the repairs.

This telling shoe experience about the financial vigor of the consumer is not what post-recession recoveries are all about. Nor, for that matter, are surging mortgage delinquencies, ballooning foreclosures, 53 straight weeks of unemployment claims above 500,000, non-stop layoffs and a slew of giant-sized discounts for holiday shoppers ranging from 25% to 75%.

It all provides a decidedly different and ominous perspective of the supposedly new post-recession recovery. What's more, it leads some skeptical pros to question whether the $14 trillion of household wealth that was lost in 17 months between October of 2007 and March of 2009 -- chiefly a reflection of a housing bust and the bloodbath in the stock market -- marked the end of the financial chaos. They say not.

One non-believer of the economic bull case is Madeline Schnapp, director of economics at West Coast liquidity tracker TrimTabs Research. Her basic view is 2010 will be a bummer, with unemployment shooting up to 11% in the summer and GDP for the year, if we're lucky, winding up between flat and up 1.5%. "And if we're not lucky," she says, maybe a decline of 1.5%."

Unfortunately, at this stage in the recovery cycle, private sector demand, she points out, should be increasing and slowly replacing government-stimulated demand. Instead, she notes, despite trillions of dollars spent on the recovery, wages and salaries are falling, actual job losses are running 250,000 to 300,000 every month, employment demand is at its lowest level in over a decade, mortgage delinquencies are rising rapidly, revolving credit and revolving home equity loans are falling at the fastest pace in our records dating back to 1973 and corporate and industrial loan growth is also falling at the fastest pace in our records since 1973. Without private sector demand, Schnapp observes, the current recovery is simply not sustainable.

Rather than debate the shape of the recovery, she says, market pundits instead should be debating the size of the liquidity-fueled asset bubble, its duration and eventual demise.

What got the economy into trouble the last time around, Schnapp notes, was private sector credit expansion based on wildly inflated assets. It's ironic, she says, that in crafting a cure, the Federal government is engaged in precisely the same activity, expanding credit at the fastest pace in history. "Is there a problem with this logic?" she asks. Her answer: "We certainly think so."

Martin Weiss, the head of Weiss Research in Jupiter, Fla., sees the 2010 economic recovery -- which he thinks will peter out after the first half -- as "the weakest and shortest in 100 years." Among the key reasons, he looks for a double-dip in housing, spurred by more foreclosures and another round of declines in home prices, say about 10%, and a continuing credit crunch, especially for consumers and small businesses.

Weiss also expects 2010 to produce a collapse in long term Treasury and corporate bonds, a further drop in the value of the dollar at a very rapid pace, continued money-printing by the Fed until it's forced to stop, more stock market pain as investors realize the U.S. economy is a sinking economy, a surge in interest rates and a rise in the price of gold to about $1,500 an ounce.

Internationally, Weiss looks for the economies of China, India and Brazil to grow four times faster than the U.S. economy. At the same, he also expects the stock markets of the three overseas nations to grow five times faster than the Dow.

The bottom line from our skeptics, as far as the U.S. populace goes: Watch your financial back in 2010. It's worth noting that a couple of legendary Western figures, Jesse James and Wild Bill Hickok, failed to watch their back, and it cost them their lives.


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SeaBlood
cynical about religion
10:27 PM on 11/28/2009
A brilliant financial person , whose name I couldn't tell you, said last week on HuffPost that the economy will definitely not get better until the next presidential election. The GOP will play every card in its hand to make Obama fail and not get reelected. Being relatively unread, I don't know how valid that statement was. I sure hope it's wrong.
10:05 PM on 11/28/2009
First, companies cannot cost cut their way to prosperity long term. There eventually have to be increases in revenues to survive. Second, a worldwide socialization of labor rates by American aristocrats (NAFTA, etc) was begun twenty years ago as a relatively easy way to increase American Corporate profits. Chinese and Indian wages of $1.00 or $2.00 and hour were (and are) being sought compared with U.S. wages of $15.00 or so an hour to raise corporate earnings levels. U.S. wages are declining (adjusted for inflation) as one would expect, and the only surprise is that they are still as high as they are. The solution by the aristocrats was to increase American spending by getting all of the wage earners in debt beyond their eyeballs. Its now a done deal, and now comes the hard part -- preventing a depression that can take the masses PLUS the aristocracy DOWN with it. The first part has been done -- government money to the banking part of the aristocracy to help them through the depression. But, it may not work. Just an opinion. .
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thepheonix
thepheonix..is that better Dems?
09:21 PM on 11/28/2009
This news bodes badly for the political party in power. People cannot keep going like this. They will take it out at the ballot box.
01:36 PM on 11/25/2009
We're definitely headed for a double-dip. Just on foreclosures alone and the possibility of 11% unemployment, I don't see how anyone can even afford those rose-colored glasses let alone have the gall to wear them. I also don't think the "people in power" are in the dark about this. They know it's coming and like the band that played on the Titanic, they hoped the best that could happen is some miracle. Didn't work out for those guys so well and I don't think it's going to work out so well for all of us either.
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02:06 AM on 11/24/2009
truth be told- look above. The double dip is coming, and it might be uglier than the first one.
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FogBelter
Illegitimis non carborundum
01:13 PM on 11/23/2009
Dan, I think that the whole point of the bailouts and TARP, and Hank Paulson groveling at Speaker Pelosi's feet was to prevent a complete Global Financial Collapse on George Bush's watch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nothing has fundamentally changed in the US Economy except for an infusion of trillions of no questions asked dollars from Taxpayers and a complete hands off approach to correcting the issues on Wall Street that spawned the collapse in the first place. A year out we are still debating Wall Street re-regulation with no indication of anything substantive in the works, meanwhile Wall Street engages in the same activities that undermined the economy to start with.

What happens when the stimulus dollars are exhausted? How long will China, with its own bubble, be willing and able to buy our debt and what happens when they stop? There are a lot of givens built into the world economic narrative that simply aren't. I believe that Japan and England are relying on stimulus programs to power their economies as well, so next year the US could very well be in a beggars competition for debt buyers that just aren't there.

I think 2010 will be when unfortunately the term "Depression" will emerge in public discourse once again, and it won't simply be as a rhetorical device of politics.
09:14 PM on 11/25/2009
"...there are indications that the severest phase of the recession is over..." - Harvard Economic Society (HES) Jan 18, 1930
10:20 AM on 11/29/2009
Well said.

Personally, I'm preparing for a rough year.
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mountainweb
Conservative Commonsense
12:17 PM on 11/23/2009
You are on target, they are like a man in the bottom of hole, jumping up and declaring "see how high I am". As long at we have the threat of the HUGE debt that the heath care bill will bring with it, the future will not be rosey. The current administration has made it clear they have no clue how to create jobs. The state of California and New York are leading the way, more taxes, more taxes, more taxes. which will drive business out of these states as has been the case for years in California.
11:57 AM on 11/23/2009
"Internationally, Weiss looks for the economies of China, India and Brazil to grow four times faster than the U.S. economy. "

Looks like some of the bailout banks are doing their best to help India grow:

"India may get $1 billion in IT outsourcing contracts:
10:55 pm EST, Sunday November 22, 2009

MUMBAI (Reuters) - Leading Indian outsourcers stand to gain contracts worth about $1 billion in the next one or two years as U.S. banks emerge from the troubled asset relief program, the Economic Times reported on Monday.

The newspaper said JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are among the firms seeking operational efficiencies by outsourcing non-core IT and back-office projects to India.

American Express, Bank of New York Mellon and Capital One were also considering outsourcing, it said."
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realitytrumpsbull
two 'alves of coconut!
11:20 PM on 11/22/2009
The reason that China, India, and Brazil are growing, is because the environmentalists in this country have cried in unison: NIMBY!!!!!, and lo! So it was. 'Skip YOU', said the industrialists, and packed up their hardware, and boarded a slow boat to china, with their jigs, their machinery, their office furniture, and 'Learn Chinese in 3 Months' in their hip pockets. 'Puff, puff, GIVE', said the American public, and as the cargo vessel pulled away from the docks, with their industrialists and job-creating, environment-wrecking technology aboard, no one waved, no one cried, no one even said goodbye. The line re-formed at the welfare office shortly thereafter, the government cheese wheels were dispensed, the joints were rolled, the songs were sung, and all rejoiced in their great victory for mother Gaia. No one cared when chinese investors bought the land right out from under of their feet, no one noticed when new colonies formed on the west coast with thim dang furrinirz in em, and when the people that used to live in America all got led down to the holding area, they were too stoned to know what was going on around them, or ask questions, so they went along peacefully, smiling. And, that's the last anyone ever saw of em. Maybe they're in a work camp in Shanghai, now.
04:27 AM on 11/23/2009
If you want to paint a bleak pictures with work camps, etc. perhaps you should chose a city that is not quite so outstanding, modern, impressive, rich, expensive, space-age, awesome, and beyond anything in the U.S., as Shanghai. Doesn't quite get the image across as I'm sure you intended.
10:21 AM on 11/23/2009
Would Detroit do?
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realitytrumpsbull
two 'alves of coconut!
09:14 PM on 11/24/2009
Ah, but how did Shanghai become Shanghai, if not by shanghaiing people?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghaiing

Strong-arming people IS one path to prosperity...point is, in talking about global trade and all that stuff, we're talking about dealing with some very shrewd, and possibly ruthless people, who aren't above playing politics on both sides of the pond to get what they want.

Industry is industry, and it's a necessary evil and accessory to all the accessories associated with modern life, and they don't call the guys that run those outfits 'magnates' by accident, they work at it, are successful at it, are wealthy as a result, and then they live in a nice house, while you sleep in a tent, play guitar, and smoke dope and complain about em. And, if things get too hairy for em legally in one country, they'll move on, because there's always markets for the goods thus produced, shoes, toasters, soccer balls, tv's, you name it, somebody wants one, and they need a place to set up to build em/make em. We can be stupid about it, and watch the REST of our industry leave, or be a little more enlightened from an economic standpoint...
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ImmanuelGoldstein
Founder of the "Brotherhood"
08:19 AM on 11/24/2009
Oh come on, you know as well as I do, (and maybe you don't) that the real appeal was the $5/day wages. There are NO long term economic advantages to destroying the environment, as the Chinese will eventually find out once the factories decamp to an even lower wage environment as their wage level goes up, and they have to clean up all the toxic waste dumps like American cities had to.