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Dan Manatt

Dan Manatt

Posted: May 20, 2010 11:25 AM

Can President Obama Sit at Rand Paul's Lunch Counter? Can John Roberts and Nino Scalia? and Other Reasons Jack Conway Must Be Kentucky's Next Senator

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Yesterday I wrote a post about -- like a million other Wednesday morning quarterbacks -- one of the possible paths to victory in Kentucky for Jack Conway -- a Senate seat and candidate I have a particular interest in.  

The path went straight through Ran Paul's purist teabaggery.

Now it can be told: Election eve, I was downright worried for Jack. Paul was (and still is) going to raise a ton of Tea Bucks. And, I had heard, Paul was shrewd, and was already tacking to the center to capture the centrist vote.

But then Paul's victory speech showed that, to the contrary, Paul was doubling down on Teabag Libertarianism.

Jack's chances had just improved markedly.

Then yesterday Paul questioned the constitutionality of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 -- and therefore the racial integration of Kentucky's businesses, from diners in coal country in the east to hotels in Paducah in the west.

It took Barry Goldwater the whole 1964 presidential election to implode.

It took the Gingrich Revolution two to six years, depending on how you measure it.

It took Rand Paul less than 24 hours.

Even Joe Scarborough now says Paul's extremism has moved the race to the lean Democrat column, with Conway likely to win.

Paul set himself up, in short, to be 2010's Barry Goldwater -- whose radical libertarianism and 10th Amendment states' rights advocacy turns him from right wing darling to general election loser in record time.

Except that in 1964, Goldwater's views were not counter to nearly 50 years of settled Supreme Court law and societal acceptance. Goldwater was a libertarian - but he was rooted in his time.

George Allen's soft Macaca racism didn't play, even in the appalachian town of Breaks, Virginia where he said it. And in Kentucky, just one mile to the west, Paul's refusal to endorse the Civil Rights Act of JFK/MLK/LBJ won't play either.

It was a brilliant display of political self-immolation -- or self-mutilation -- surely more than self-mortification.

Paul's Constitutional Hot Tub Time Traveling back to the 1950s (or even 1920s) - and his particular focus on state's rights and the Commerce Clause (more on that below) open more and more opportunities for Conway.

(BTW, why stop at at 1930? Why not Constitutional Hot Tub Time Travel back to 1860? Seriously, a reporter needs to ask Paul if he believes states have the right to secede).

The NPR/Maddow demographic, of course, cares most about the Civil Rights implications of Paul's retrograde constitutionalism -- as do Kentucky's African Americans, who make up 8 percent of the Commonwealth.

But its implications for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the the Department of Education are perhaps of greater personal concern to Kentucky's senior voters, among others.

Which gets us to the John Roberts and Nino Scalia part of this post.

Rand Paul and the Tea Party's constitutional extremism, if and when the public clearly views it, is way out of the American mainstream.

Mainstream America does not believe Social Security is unconstitutional. It does not believe Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional. It does not believe the Department of Education and the Civil Rights Act are unconstitutional.

Americans accept the principal of finality -- be it the Civil War or the certification of the 2000 election - and the constitutionality of above federal programs.

The scary thing is, based on recent Court decisions, the Roberts Court majority -- or at least the Roberts-Alito-Scalia-Thomas plurality -- does not accept finality -- or stare decisis, as translated into legalese. Moreover, the Roberts/Scalia plurality takes a narrow view of Congress' ability to regulate business through the Commerce Clause, like Paul.

And that is the basis for the legal challenges to the Health Care Reform Act now being brought by the right wing Republican Attorneys General like Virginia's Kenneth T. Cuccinelli.

(Conway refused to join the state Attorneys General challenge to the law, natch).

Some Tea Baggers may think the constitutional challenge to Health Care is a good one-off political attack. But Paul and the Tenth Amendment true believers (who evidently haven't read the rest of the Constitution, such as the Commerce Clause the Supremacy Clause) -- see the Health Care challenge as merely the first domino to tip over.

If Health Care's constitutional basis falls, so too falls Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and yes, the Civil Rights Act.

That Paul is sticking to his fundamentalist libertarian guns on this point is bad politics -- but it is good for America's public dialog.

It forces the Tea Party and Tenth Amendment Movement to come to Jesus, and decide if it truly believes that much of our federal government is illegally constituted -- or merely needs a change in leadership and policy (though they don't seem to accept the validity of election returns, at least in the case of Barack Obama).

Jack Conway, thankfully, is the perfect candidate to speak truth -- and reason -- to the Tea Party/Tenth Amendment/Radical Libertarians.

As Kentucky Attorney General and courtroom lawyer before that, Jack has proved his chops as a legal and constitutional thinker. Back when we were housemates, he would have me quiz him before finals until he knew the all the cases cold.

Legal precedent and stability and the rule of law. Something neither Rand Paul nor even the Roberts-Scalia wing care much about. But Jack Conway does.

What is at stake isn't merely one Senate race in Kentucky.

It's the Constitution itself.

Kentucky Republicans backed the Rand Paul view of the world in their primary.

But if the Supreme Court does, we're in real trouble.

Another reason why Kentucky 2010 is so important -- as is America 2012.

 
 
 
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dlo2
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08:32 PM on 05/21/2010
The United States stands as one of the most richly diverse country and its history echoes the amazing accomplishments of citizens of every race, gender and culture. We fight passionately against those outside our borders who would abridge the rights of a multilithic population such as our own. It is time to understand our broader values in our own house that reflects our history and to reflect on the gradual social evolution over the past 100 years that has come to characterize our great nation in offering hope to every birthed or naturalized ethnic American. Rand Paul is not capturing this and what he is capturing is a populist-leaning, atavistic, mean-spirited, 'left out' sentiment of certain narrow-sighted and angry Republicans. This nation will only retain its magnanimous spirit as well as the spirit that characterizes 'progress' if we turn away from the ignorance that marked the years of sanctioned racial discrimination and suffocating dogma...a dogma that gives 'rights' to abhorrent discrimination anywhere at anytime. Rand Paul's ilk has the potential of suffocating the fresh air of egalitarianism, equality and social progress in America.
09:34 AM on 05/21/2010
So far, although I've asked the question many times, no TPer or TP sympathizer has offered an answer:

How did you feel about "big government," "states' rights," federal spending, federal overreach, federal encroachment on civil liberties, federal infringement of state sovereignty, and the like, between January 20, 2001 and December 31, 2006?
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Anthony Brown Jr.
06:19 PM on 05/21/2010
It got worse. Actually, it's more like 9/11/2001 to now. It just keeps getting worse. More big gunvernemtn, fewer states rights, more federal spending, more intrusions into your private lies. More wars... and it ain't going to get better.
08:16 PM on 05/21/2010
Graf

Pretty much the same as I do now. Except I am now more anxious than I was then about the possibility that we may not be able to restore the Republic based on freedom, liberty and justice.

I am curious why it matters what people thought in the past if they are now concerned. A lot has happened since Jan. 2001. You know as well as I that it can take folks a long time to accept that their value system was wrong and that they have been betrayed.

Psychologically it is a hard thing to accept and patience should be granted. Unless your goal is simply to use the chance provided by time to claim some nefarious purpose, such as "this proves racism". In that case I will throw the B.S. flag on you and anyone else using this fallacious argument.

There are racists in all walks of life, but I have met many T. Party folks and they are not racist. But many supported Bush and now realize their mistake.

All of us need to be careful about Generalizations and Stereotypes, not just the "conservatives".
11:00 PM on 05/20/2010
I am also having difficulty with the argument that takes someone who doesn't believe in discrimination but believes people should have the right to do so in their place of business, and likens them to someone who isn't a murderer themselves but thinks other people should have the right to murder. First off, with murder you are hurting someone and taking something away from them (namely their life, thus violating the basic rights of life and liberty mentioned in the Declaration). However, if you as a business owner chose not to serve someone, you are not taking away anything that was already theirs, you are not violating any natural right. It would be like someone telling me I have to give money to the Salvation Army or I would be breaking the law. Obviously, if I gave a million dollars that organization would be better off, just as a person would be better of if they were served in a particular restaurant. However, no one would say that the Salvation Army has a right to my money, so why should a customer have a right to be served in a particular private establishment?
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Kaviraj
11:46 PM on 05/20/2010
The establishment is public. Anyone can walk in and then has the right to be served.

If you open a business, what else for than to serve your customers? The customer is your sole reason for existence and so it is stupid and self-defeating to not serve those for whom your business exists.

But I bet you never thought about that.
12:03 AM on 05/21/2010
Shouldn't people have the right to do "stupid and self-defeating things"? Not only that, but who gets to judge what is "stupid and self-defeating"? It all seems a bit too subjective for me.
11:00 PM on 05/20/2010
It is a shame that entertaining certain ideas can earn you the label of a racist. One should be free to discuss an idea based solely on its merits without having to worry about ad hominem attacks (I just wish ideological diversity was as important to some people as racial/ethnic diversity). I am having difficulty understanding why it is deemed necessary to tolerate certain types of hate speech (as long as it doesn't incite violence) out of respect to the first amendment, yet it is considered unthinkable for a private business owner to enjoy a similar freedom of association in his/her place of business (especially if those associations are based on a belief in discrimination). Couldn't Voltaire's quote about not always agreeing with what you have to say but defending to the death your right to say it also apply to private business owners?
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Kaviraj
11:48 PM on 05/20/2010
And what if the idea has no merits?
Then you have huge problem.
If it violates the 10th amendment or the bill of rights, who carries the blame but the fool who violates it?
10:30 PM on 05/20/2010
The president and Rand Paul can sit at a lunch counter and discuss how to return fairness to the political system by throwing out Affirmative Action.
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ObamAtomic
11:30 PM on 05/20/2010
I guess is need because individual like you.
08:42 PM on 05/20/2010
Re: "Even Joe Scarborough..."

Uh, he's a big liberal on MSNBC (yeah, a former republican, but not a conservative).

I'm not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone. Only to those who have difficulty with political discourse, I suppose.
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KarenT
The crazies on the right are driving me crazy!
09:58 PM on 05/20/2010
Joe S is a big liberal? hahahahahahaha

I can't even watch him he's so conservative. There are conservatives on MSNBC unlike all conservatives on FOX
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MajorKong
If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally
10:22 PM on 05/20/2010
Note - Anyone who doesn't believe that the government is an alien plot to harvest our brains is a "big liberal".
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Kaviraj
11:49 PM on 05/20/2010
LOL!
07:32 PM on 05/20/2010
The conservatives and the libertarians have a very dangerous agenda. They say where there is smoke there is fire. Rand Paul and the other conservatives may be unto something. Conservatives Supreme Court judge (Alito and Roberts) appointed by GWB, gave oral arguments recently to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1965. These people are not fit to be involved in making the laws of this nation, because they can create irreparable damage. They are treading on a slippery slope. This is the 21st century, the minorities will not put up with being set back to the oppression of the Civil Rights era. No way no how!!

Since the election of the first African American as president of the USA, the conservative racists are coming out from under the rocks left right and center. What a shame on this nation?
10:29 PM on 05/20/2010
Not only should the Civil Rights Act be repealed, but the 1965 Immigration Reform Act should be tossed out and burned.
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Kaviraj
11:51 PM on 05/20/2010
And you would light the pyre, would you? Flagged as abusive.
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StevenM
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08:03 AM on 05/21/2010
Re: "Since the election of the first African American as president of the USA, the conservative racists are coming out from under the rocks left right and center."

Yet maybe the light of day will help kill off this pest.
06:20 PM on 05/20/2010
This is about what type of laws we are and are not going to have. Period. -------- The best way to handle conservatives and especially Tea Party conservatives - and especially those running for the job of making and repealing laws - is to focus like a laser beam not on some question of whether they are personally racists but instead on comparing and contrasting the set of laws they want to exist and not exist to that set of laws that the rest of us would like to see exist and not exist. -------- The goal should be to fully educate every last member of the public as to what the results are of this comparing and contrasting, meaning educating the public fully on the complete consequences in detail of what one set would be vs. what the other set would be. -------- That's right - do not assume that the public already knows these results and complete consequences in detail. Assume instead that the reason conservatives and especially Tea Party conservatives have whatever political power they do is because they capitalize on this ignorance of so much of the general public. Evidence: Many did not know that Paul wants discrimination by private entities like businesses to be legal. -------- Take away this ignorance in all these people, and you take away a lot of this political power. The problem is one of truly and fully educating a public many of whom are anything but.
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Kaviraj
11:52 PM on 05/20/2010
Faved and fanned.
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06:03 PM on 05/20/2010
I don't think Rand Paul is a racist, and he made it clear to anyone with half a brain on the Rachel Maddow Show what his position was on the Civil Rights Act. I think many people will not realize his point however, and will think of him as a simple racist, resulting in a close race in Kentucky or perhaps even a defeat. I completely understand his point, but I do not agree with it. I think the government is justified in outlawing racial discrimination in private businesses because we live in a largely private society. It would be hard for a minority to live and function normally if every other store did not cater to "their kind," (Paul's point of such actions being bad for business and thus probably not commonplace is noted). The government necessarily limits liberty in many ways. I don't think this is a case of unfairly limiting it.
06:08 PM on 05/20/2010
"In December, Chris Hightower, the spokesman for Paul's senate campaign, was forced to resign after a liberal Kentucky blog discovered that his MySpace page had a comment posted around Martin Luther King Day that read: "HAPPY N***ER DAY!!!" above what appears to be a historical photo of the lynching of a black man."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/flashback_paul_spokesman_resigned_over_racist_mysp.php

I rest my case. There is enough corroborating evidence to securely think of Rand Paul as a racist. I do not agree with his position and largely think that what you said is plaintively obvious to anyone that has thought on the issue for more than five minutes. For Paul to support such a position, despite what you said, speaks to his beliefs, which I believe are racist.
06:27 PM on 05/20/2010
Wow ... so if every elected official that ever had some bigoted ass-clown in their campaign is automatically a racist, do you think we have any elected officials that aren't racists?

In fact, isn't Obama a racist by your definition, since Jeremiah Wright is his buddy?

Does anyone here even know what racist means?
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12:05 AM on 05/21/2010
What you are describing is guilt by association, which is a logical fallacy in its own right. But I would hope you usually need more than one piece of circumstantial evidence to accuse someone of something as horrible as racism. I don't understand how you can "rest your case" on something so insignificant.

I have no problem admitting that my father is a racist and a xenophobe. He has ignorant and unenlightened views about black people, arabs, etc., even though he is friends with several black and arab people. Does the fact that my father is a racist make me one automatically? I can tell you with certainty that the answer is no, because I feel no hate for people based on such silly and false divisions of mankind as race and apperance. I truly do judge people and beliefs by their character and content. If I am ignorant of something, I have no problem admitting it, and if I do not like something or someone I will admit it and be tolerant so long as fundamental rights or laws are not violated.

btw, in the article you linked to, the spokesman didn't even post that comment, someone else did. So not only are you committing guilt by association on Paul, but also on the abscure spokesman as well. They may very well have some racists thoughts, but I think they, like anyone, deserves the benefit of the doubt until the case can be proven a little better.
08:08 AM on 05/21/2010
I agree, the racist labeling before engaging the arguments is what has allowed the Tea Party to brand the left as haters. Faved!
05:36 PM on 05/20/2010
What people don't understand is that there is an internal right and a left in any ideology. A “true” Libertarian would say stead fast "the market will decide", but there are no "true" Libertarians. Ron Paul, Rand's father is a Libertarian, BUT he is a right leaning conservative Libertarian, some people like him also call themselves Constitutionalist. Libertarian members tend to divert when it comes to religious issues like abortion, just like all the other parties. I myself fall into the middle of Libertarianism. I think the government oversteps its boundaries way to much with the American people, but they are still needed to oversee some entities, that like all thing human will err. So, Rand Paul’s civil rights ideas really do not make him racist in any way, he is trying to be a “true” Libertarian on this issue. I am most certain; as the election goes on we will discover how he moves left, right, up, down on the scale of Libertarianism. I guess that makes him human.
06:04 PM on 05/20/2010
I didn't even bother with this post. Rand Paul said civil right should have been decided "locally". That's racism and I'm pretty sure she's a racist. Case closed. It just so HAPPENS that the Tea Party emerged with the genesis of President Obama and are largely anti-minority rights--anti-AA, for arizona's immigration bill, etc. Yeah, all of it was "coincidence". When Bush made legal wiretaps and initiated an illegal and unwinnable war spiral us into debt, these patriots were nowhere to be found. The Tea Party is INHERENTLY racist. No one is surprised when a Republican says something overtly racist like this.
08:45 PM on 05/20/2010
What, are you saying people WERE surprised to learn that Obama went to a racist church for decades? Uh, no, we weren't.
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Anthony Brown Jr.
06:26 PM on 05/21/2010
Ummm, I was around criticizing everything that Bush did. I am not a republican, and I'm not racist either.
05:11 PM on 05/20/2010
Come on, how is this not mud slinging? This suggestion that he is some kind of racist is a political strawman of the highest level, and I hate it no matter the side. He simply believes that private business owners should have the right to their beliefs under the first amendment. I think its interesting how people just jump on that, gotcha statement like its some kind of victory. Guess what, you don't like it when the rightwingers call you a terrorist for believing rights are more important then national security. Quit being hypocrites, and see something from the others perspective instead of putting the ear plugs in and screaming Democrat.
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KarenT
The crazies on the right are driving me crazy!
05:36 PM on 05/20/2010
Private business owners have a right to their beliefs. They do not have the right to discriminate who is allowed to walk into their establishment.
06:19 PM on 05/20/2010
Yes, that is true. But is it really that bad to be able to discriminate someone from your business. Before you let your jaw drop to the floor, ask your self this. Would it be acceptable for a private business owner to kick a racist out their establishment? You can say discrimination, but if I as a private business owner want to kick out a racist then I should be able to, and I would be a hypocrite if I didn't allow other people the same privilege to make such a choice under their values.
06:25 PM on 05/20/2010
They don't? Wouldn't that make them public businesses then?

Do you have the right to choose who you associate with? Can I barge in your private house any time I want?

Do you believe in any sort of property rights?
04:55 PM on 05/20/2010
First Sue the Chicken Lady in Nevada and now Rand Paul - two people taking point blank shots at the bullseyes painted on their own feet. I am loving this to no end. Now please pass the popcorn.
03:52 PM on 05/20/2010
Rand Paul is most certainly not a racist. If he owned a lunch counter, he would serve everybody regardless or their race. But being a true patriot with a real commitment to individual liberties, he would fight for the right of a racist to discriminate at his or her own lunch counter.
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MajorKong
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05:14 PM on 05/20/2010
So he's not a racist, just a racist enabler. Got it.
05:38 PM on 05/20/2010
lol, ok...

You believe rights are more important then national security. So your not a terrorist, just a terrorist enabler. You see the craziness now? Care to explain how your statement is not the same?
06:12 PM on 05/20/2010
I'm confused as to how you came to this conclusion that Paul isn't a racist?
10:49 AM on 05/21/2010
The person claiming he is a racist is the one who needs the proof.
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03:18 PM on 05/20/2010
The answer to your questions are, not likely, the President can't, or at least couldn't while he was plain old Barack, because Mr. Paul wouldn't want to offend his usual clientele who think people of color must be kept in "their place." I surmise this by his request that Mr. Obama come down to KY to campaign against him, expecting this to energize just such people to vote for him.
As far as Roberts and Scalia, yes, I'm sure that he would welcome them and that they, thinking the way he does, would be willing to sit there. I don't think the absence of other than whites would trouble them at all, nor would the presence of the gun-toters he likely would welcome, either.
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mikegriffith
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03:09 PM on 05/20/2010
"And in Kentucky, just one mile to the west, Paul's refusal to endorse the Civil Rights Act of JFK/MLK/LBJ won't play either."

That's an ugly lie. Rand Paul did NOT refuse to endorse the Civil Rights Act. He said there was only one provision of it that he would have tried to change (Title II) had he been in Congress when it was debated. He added that this was not an issue for him and that he doesn't like to associate with people who engage in discrimination. He has since stated the obvious, in order to try to combat this shameful smear campaign, that he has no intention of ever pushing to repeal Title II of the Act or any other part of the Act.

Shame on this site for printing outright lies like this.
03:26 PM on 05/20/2010
Rand Paul spent 20 minutes refusing to endorse the Civil Rights Act. It was p@thetic. He doesn't want to associate with people who engage in discrimination, he just wants to make sure he makes it legal for them to do so.

Shame on you for not knowing what this guy really stands for.
04:01 PM on 05/20/2010
Thanks for insuring mikegriffith knows the truth!!!
05:16 PM on 05/20/2010
I saw the interview; he said he agreed with 90% of what was in the bill. He simply wanted the government to stop supporting individuals or organizations that are are were racist; but yet he believes that private business owners should have the right to their beliefs under the first amendment.
numba one bolig
I aint trippin
04:11 PM on 05/20/2010
If you want to be an extremist, nut, I'm ok with that............ but would you mind not using my flag in a post that is so clearly UN American?
06:03 PM on 05/20/2010
You realize that that flag hasn't been used in about 200 years...