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Don't Confuse Real Healing With Suppression Of The Disease

Posted: 11/22/09 07:00 AM ET

Anyone who has taken a painkiller certainly knows that there is a big difference between temporary relief and real healing.  Even though a person who takes a painkiller may not consciously feel pain, it is widely understood that this relief does not necessarily mean that a "cure" or a “healing” has occurred. 

And yet, it is surprising how many people think that various conventional drugs have performed some type of miracle just because they provided short-term relief of pain or discomfort.  Little do many people know that when a drug “works,” this may be the “bad news.”  It may be that the drug works by suppressing the disease, thereby creating a much more serious physical and/or mental disease. 

Although antibiotics and select other drugs may be an exception to this general observation, getting rid of an infection will not influence the immune factors that led the person to be susceptible to infection in the first place, and in fact, antibiotics are known to disrupt one’s inner ecology, disturb assimilation of nutrients, and even tend to make the person more susceptible to new infection (a future blog will deal more directly with this issue).

Painkillers, on the other hand, may provide great reduction in pain, but this may result in the person continuing to walk on that injured ankle and cause increased injury.  The person with arthritis, as another example, may continually take one or more painkilling drugs that provide some relief but these drugs also create their own tolerance, addiction, or pathology, usually leading to much more serious health problems. 

A smart person might consider taking a conventional drug that provides temporary blessed relief while concurrently seeking some more deep treatment that nourishes, nurtures, or augments the body’s own defenses.  A problem, however, is created when a sick person frequently relies upon a drug to provide temporary relief and does not seek a real, more profound healing.

 

Differentiating Real Healing from Suppression of Disease

When a person experiences relief from any treatment, conventional or alternative, one should not necessarily assume that a real healing has occurred.  While it is possible that the person may really have been healed, it may also mean:

  • the symptoms went away on their own, and the treatment had nothing to do with it.
  • the treatment palliated the symptoms, providing short-term relief but resulted in the recurrence of symptoms in the near future.
  • the treatment “worked” by suppressed the person’s symptoms or his/her own immune and defense system, thereby pushing the disease deeper into body. Although suppression of symptoms may cause them to disappear, they tend to be replaced, sooner or later, with more serious, deeper symptoms that are more discomforting and potentially dangerous.

 

Homeopaths and naturopaths both assert that there is a big difference between real healing, palliation of symptoms, and suppression of disease, even though each of these results may initially seem to be the same.

What people don’t usually understand is that there may be a danger in the frequent or recurrent application of treatments that suppress symptoms.  The concept of suppressing symptoms is well accepted and understood in psychology.  It is commonly observed when a person suppresses his or her emotions, such actions tend to push the emotional turmoil deeper, leading the person to explode at some future time, often at people who are not directly related to the origin of the person's problem.

While people may be familiar with the problems associated with the suppression of emotions, people are generally not familiar with the possibility that many conventional medical treatments can suppress their physical symptoms, driving the disease deeper into the person. And yet, suppression of disease is so commonplace in today’s medical treatment that it is virtually ignored. 

Doctors and drug companies tend to minimize the real problems of suppressing the disease process by referring to the “side effects” of a drug.  And yet, pharmacologists commonly note that the determining a drug’s “effects” and its “side effects” are completely arbitrary.  They are both the direct effect of the drug upon the human body. 

Ironically, many conventional drugs are touted specifically for their ability to “suppress” symptoms…or even suppress the body’s own immune system.  Ultimately, pushing the disease deeper into the person is the result of using pharmacological agents that are explicitly prescribed for their ability to control or inhibit symptoms that are the natural defensive functions of the body.  Suppression of disease may provide the semblance of benefit (or at least short-term benefit), but ultimately may make the person much sicker.  Such suppression of the disease process may lead to increased chronic disease, immune dysfunction, and mental illness, all of which we are seeing together in epidemic proportions.  

 

Understanding the Healing Process from a Whole Systems Perspective

The father of American homeopathy was a German physician named Constantine Hering, MD (1800-1880).  Hering was a respected conventional physician who was hired by a publisher to write a book critical of homeopathy, and in his research on the topic, he became convinced of its efficacy.  After many years of practicing homeopathy, he observed that people go through a specific healing process after being given the correct homeopathic medicine. He developed guidelines in which to determine when a real healing is taking place. These guidelines have been called "Hering's laws of cure," but some homeopaths prefer to call them “Hering's guidelines of cure.”

To understand these guidelines, it is first useful to know that homeopaths carefully evaluate the evolution of a person's physical, emotional, and mental/spiritual symptoms.  Homeopaths consider mental/spiritual symptoms to be deepest to the core of a person's being for they represent the will, the ego, the sense of security that the person feels, and the person's overall state of consciousness.  Homeopaths today wonder if the immune system’s important ability to identify “self” from “non-self” is dynamically connected to a person’s mental/spiritual state of health, thereby linking mind and body health.  The emotional symptoms are external to the mental/spiritual level of the person because imbalances in the deeper level will create increased propensities to various fears, angers, depressive states, and other emotions. The physical symptoms are the most outer manifestation of the person, though every level can and will influence the other. 

Also, each level has certain symptoms that have more or less influence on a person's overall health.  For instance, a person's asthma will be deeper than his or her skin rash, a person's fear of death will be deeper than his or her irritability, and a person's loss of self esteem will be deeper than a subtle reduction in memory. Likewise, when comparing symptoms on different levels, a person's heart disease will more profoundly affect his or her health than a difficulty in concentration experienced on the mental/spiritual level. 

In light of these levels of the human being and the degrees of intensity to which a symptom impairs a person's ability to live, Hering found that healing progresses:

 · From within to without (from the deepest part of our being to the most external);

 · From the most recent disease back in time to previous ones (a reversion of the disease process);

 · From the top of the body to the bottom of the body.

Ultimately, basic concepts of survival and evolution are at the heart of this understanding of the defenses of the body.  The human body can and will defend its most vital functions first before defending its more superficial functions. 

Homeopaths observe that a truly effective therapy sometimes elicits a temporary exacerbation of certain symptoms, usually in the superficial ones or sometimes ones that the person had many years previously. Homeopaths assert that a true healing is taking place when a person's present symptoms are more superficial than previous ones.  One of the reasons that homeopaths and their patients have come to believe that homeopathic medicines are not simply placeboes is their observations that some symptoms tend to increase in the process of a curative response (healing from within to without…and the above other guidelines).

This “externalization” of symptoms is commonly observed by homeopaths who witness that approximately 20-30 percent of their patients with a chronic illness tend to experience skin symptoms, nasal or bronchial discharges, diarrhea, early menstruation with clots, profuse perspiration, or some other externalization of the disease process after an effective homeopathic treatment is provided. 

On the other hand, if and when a person takes a conventional drug and his or her symptoms disappear but new ones that are more serious develop, this result suggests that the treatment has suppressed the person's condition and has made them worse. Unknown to most physicians and patients, people undergoing conventional medical treatment are commonly having their disease suppressed. Homeopaths assert that one of the reasons that there is increased mental disease and increased chronic disease at earlier and earlier ages is because of effective suppression of the disease process by conventional medical treatment.

Distinct from methods that suppress disease are those that help disease express and externalize itself.  Homeopathy's use of the principle of similars (using medicines bases on their ability to CAUSE the similar symptoms that the sick person is experiencing) is one important safeguard against disease suppression because it mimics the wisdom of the body rather than suppresses its symptoms.

I like to call homeopathy a type of “medical biomimicry” because a homeopathic medicine is chosen for its ability to mimic the symptoms that the sick person is experiencing.  Because there is a certain wisdom to the bodymind, mimicking this wisdom is a good way to elicit a real healing. 

 

Dana Ullman, MPH, is America's leading spokesperson for homeopathy and is the founder of www.homeopathic.com . He is the author of 10 books, including his bestseller, Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines. His most recent book is, The Homeopathic Revolution: Why Famous People and Cultural Heroes Choose Homeopathy. Dana lives, practices, and writes from Berkeley, California.

 

 

 
 
 

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Anyone who has taken a painkiller certainly knows that there is a big difference between temporary relief and real healing.  Even though a person who takes a painkiller may not consciously feel p...
Anyone who has taken a painkiller certainly knows that there is a big difference between temporary relief and real healing.  Even though a person who takes a painkiller may not consciously feel p...
 
 
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02:14 PM on 12/04/2009
This statement seems to give little support for homeopathy: "Homeopaths observe that a truly effective therapy sometimes elicits a temporary exacerbation of certain symptoms." This is the natural course of a disease. If a treatment is given before the bodies defenses reach a certain point, you will get worse. This happens for all self limiting diseases with treatment or without. The mental/spiritual state of health homeopathy seems to have some positive effects. A strong belief in a system that promises to help in all facets of a disease and life is a huge advantage. Believing that a treatment will be successful is great help, but may not be enough if the illness is not self limiting.
Using effective drugs to relieve symptoms can be a life saver. The body can only do so much.
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01:09 AM on 12/07/2009
That's why truly, I don't understand why alternative medicine doesn't embrace vaccination.

It is by far, the most natural way to protect the body from infection. The goal is simple, present the immune system with foreign antigens. The body creates a unique antibody. When the real infection arrives, memory cells created earlier can quickly get the immune system to fight off the virus before it can successfully infect the body.

All the other ingredients in the vaccine are just there to get the antigen to the body and sometimes make it more effective.

That is so much more natural than using drugs of any type.

H1N1 Flu Vaccination: The natural way to prevent infection since the 1940s.

Sheldon Sheps
02:12 PM on 12/04/2009
I think that Dana presents an over simplified view. Suppression of symptoms may sometimes slow the recovery from the disease, but I think that's a small percent of the total. I think that he would not be able to support his theory with quality evidence. A good point is that drugs are often over used by many people and may even cause harm. This is something that is well known to doctors and progress is being made so that over medication is becoming less frequent.

Letting the body's defenses do all the work sounds very inviting. Evolution has given us many tools to aid in the fight against disease. Our defenses often are not enough to do the job or work very slowly. Suppression of symptoms in many cases gives the body help to win the battle. Just allowing the body to cure itself prolongs the illness or worse.

I was surprised to see several statements that were made. They are usually seen when describing homeopathy:
" the symptoms went away on their own, and the treatment had nothing to do with it."
"the treatment palliated the symptoms, providing short-term relief but resulted in the recurrence of symptoms in the near future"
The placebo effect is a part of the action of any drug. To find the true effectiveness all drugs need to be compared to a placebo. This is where homeopathy has yet to get convincing evidence for any one condition.
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docmalerba
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05:10 PM on 12/03/2009
The usual characters who critique homeopathy on Dana's blog sound like broken records and really should bow out of the conversation unless they have something new, constructive, and relevant to the article at hand to say. That said, the phenomenon of suppression that Dana describes is very real and the main source of iatrogenic disease in modern societies. Many are familiar with the notion of needing drugs for the side effects of their drugs for the side effects of their drugs. Pharmaceutical suppression creates a potentially endless vicious cycle of symptoms that necessitate further treatment. This also turns out to be financial boon for the average conventional medical practice. Sometimes suppression is necessary as in the case of an acute asthma attack that requires a drug to keep the airways open. However, those same drugs act only temporarily, will never cure the condition, and are likely to create other health problems in the long run. Which is why other, non-suppressive means of treatment and healing become necessary if one ever wants to break the cycle. Homeopathy is one such method of healing. Thanks Dana.
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01:03 AM on 12/07/2009
There's many good reasons why we who disagree with Mr. Ullman should comment here. There's one critical reason: Consumer protection.

Mr. Ullman is a homeopath. Homeopath, as homeopaths, have a single skill. They listen and examine their patient and then prescribe homeopathic remedies. That's all they do. What they need to do is to make sure that everyone who is interested in homeopathy, in person, or in a drugstore (sad, isn't it) or on the internet, knows how a homeopathic remedy is made and how dilute the remedy they are getting is.

Dilutions should be expressed in terms that are easily understood. A drop of the original solution diluted by a small lake, a great lake, the Great Lakes, the Atlantic Ociean, the earth, the sun, the universe --- you get the idea. And specify whether there is a molecule of the original in it.

And specify the original source in English as simplified as possible. For Oscillococcinum, the ingredients should be listed as Muscovy liver and heart, glucose and pancreatic juice diluted by 1 followed by 400 zeros parts of double distilled water.

H1N1 Flu Vaccination: Believe it or not, Boiron, who make Oscillococcinum, seem to recommend the flu shot. http://boiron.ca/en/learning-center/file-101/flu-10

Sheldon Sheps
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docmalerba
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05:38 PM on 12/08/2009
As I said. Broken record.
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ChristyRed
10:55 AM on 11/27/2009
So many thanks to Dana Ullman for this series of blogs. This one is especially important and informative because it discusses suppression of symptoms -- something many people are not aware of and something which is crucial to good health.

I've used homeopathy for many years with excellent results for both chronic and acute illnesses. I've found it to be great in treating injuries, pain and swelling in dental problems and work and in preventing flu. My friends, neighbors and family have tried homeopathy and been equally pleased. We use it to treat our animals for their illnesses and injuries too.

Anyone who finds homeopathy has a friend for life. I hope many, many more people will investigate and try it.
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Sheldon101
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07:41 PM on 11/27/2009
Water based homeopathic remedies often used double distilled water. That's not a standard, that's how its made. But it still will have contaminants in it. And this water is used everytime there is a dilution and some shaking all about.

As you get up into the higher homeopathic dilutions that you intend to be effective, there will also be all those contaminants such as mercury that are also in the homeopathic effectiveness range. So how the does the remedy decide which homeopathic remedy it is? Or do you always get so many remedies at once that the they should just dilute double distilled water?

Flu Vaccination: Safe and effective. Good for you, good for your community and good for your cat.
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ChristyRed
09:48 PM on 11/28/2009
The swine flu vaccine is being promoted for pregnant women but hasn't been tested and proven safe for them. See the statement on the insert in the package. Read the heartbreaking stories of women who have lost their babies (due in June) just hours or days after getting the swine and regular flu shots this fall.

Investigate other ways of protecting yourself from the flu.

www.mercola.com
01:21 PM on 12/01/2009
So sorry Sheldon, but some of the best information on flu vaccines is printed in the manufacturer's literature and it's quite a shocking read.

I suspect you are a lazy thinker however, and more of a 'true believer' in the Church of Science, having put little thought into examining your perspectives on truth. Otherwise I suspect that your posts would have a different and much less arrogant tone.

Also, if you're really concerned about contaminants, a review of the vaccine manufacturing process might be a good mental exercise for you. This process is a real concern to many free thinkers.
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DebbyBruck
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02:08 AM on 01/01/2010
Thank you ChristyRed ~ Every article that Dana writes has educational information to help the general public get a better understanding of How Homeopathy Works and the Basic Guiding Principles. I feel it is best to let the people have a choice in their health care.
03:02 PM on 11/25/2009
Hi Dana
Thank you for getting out there to let folks know that Homeopathy is a wonderful alternative and support to traditional medicine. We need all forms of healing; it's not one or the other. Homeopathy has been around for over 250 years and has something to share with traditional medical people. I would hope that as homeopathy is proven more and more, that everyone can realize we are focused on helping a person who is in pain or discomfort, to heal. Our goal as homeopaths is to alleviate suffering. It is no different for the traditional or other alternative/complementary medical models. I believe being able to communicate and talk WITH one another is where we need to be. It is happening. I don't feel 'trashing' any modality is beneficial to anyone. We're all in the field of healing. We all want people to be healthy. I believe we have a wonderful foundation to share what we know with one another. And I appreciate you being here and helping to show how homeopathy can help. In the spirit of team work, Eileen Nauman, DHM(UK)
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cable1977
Against logic there is no armor like ignorance
03:10 PM on 11/25/2009
Please read my comments about 3 below this one about the implausibility of homeopathy having any sort of effect at high dilutions. Feel free to address any of the points of implausibility I mentioned below.
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DebbyBruck
Founder Homeopathy World Community
02:11 AM on 01/01/2010
When you get the support of people like Eileen Nauman, who has been treating thousands of people over the past decades with excellent results and an author in her own right, then you know the community is behind you all the way.
08:49 AM on 11/25/2009
Here's an interesting report from England, where officials are debating the idea that homeopathic "medicine" should not be legal because it is worthless. The reporter has a doctorate in biomedical materials.

www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/nov/24/homeopathy-science-technology-committee

As this report shows, the scientific community has studied homeopathy and considers it to be quackery.
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ChristyRed
10:16 AM on 11/25/2009
Once again, propaganda and manipulation by drug companies. And no wonder when you consider the threat that safe, effective and affordable homeopathics present especially when homeopathics have been proven in studies and clinical trials to work as well as or better than conventional medicine.
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drjasonmd
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02:48 PM on 11/25/2009
Every form of quackery claims to be under attack by outside forces who are only interested in profits. It's a though-terminating cliche that works on the weak minded.
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cable1977
Against logic there is no armor like ignorance
03:12 PM on 11/25/2009
Well I am still awaiting your response to the multiple points of implausibility I posted below. You responded to one and I summarily responded to your misrepresentation of what I had suggested. If you want to stop the propaganda against homeopathy you can start here with some rational explanations of the questions I raised. They are legitimate and simple questions about the mechanism by which homeopathy is purported to work.
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Sheldon101
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07:35 PM on 11/24/2009
Why does the healing start at the top of the body?
What evidence is their that healing starts at the top of the body?

So if I have a problem with my chest and with my bladder, my chest will be cured first. Right?

Flu Vaccination: Almost as safe as homeopathic vaccine and more effective.
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cable1977
Against logic there is no armor like ignorance
12:48 PM on 11/24/2009
I think Lewis Carroll said it best:

Alice laughed, "There's no use trying," she said, "one can't believe impossible things."

"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."


With just a little practice, you too can believe impossible things. Belief is much easier when you don't have to actually prove anything.
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Dana Ullman
Evidence Based Homeopath
09:58 PM on 11/23/2009
I am pleased that I've stirred up a hornet's nest of skeptics, for they expose their sheer ignorance. Predictably enough, however, these skeptics are not very good at it. They seek to "defend science" but are not good representatives of good science. They seem pleased in their ignorance and yet they are arrogant...and that is a dangerous combination.

They remind me of Fox News by the way they spin information and create misinformation. I sincerely hope that readers here see through the straw men that they create. What they say about homeopathy is simply wrong and confused.

They clearly do not understand homeopathy; they keep saying that there is no research, despite the many references that I have given to such research in highly respected medical journals. They make embarrassing statements about the smallness of the homeopathic dose and then wonder how small doses of substances in the water or air do not "heal" people (again, they have no understanding of homeopathy and homeopathic pharmacology).

The good news here is that they expose their ignorance to the world, even though they use fake names. They do not even seem to have the intellectual rigor to read and understand the articles I have written nor the research to which I commonly refer. Sad but true...
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Sheldon101
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02:54 AM on 11/24/2009
Since you asked, I carefully read your scholarly published article on Darwin and Homeopathy. I pointed out errors in the abstract and explained why it should never have been published by eCam as it was outside it's stated scope

More importantly, Mr. Ullman wrote a historical essay on Darwin and Gulley. Take away Darwin and all that's left is Dr. Gulley, a British homeopath (who used other treatments as well) of the 19th century.. At best, it's of interest to homeopath historians.

Without Darwin, in my opinion, it would never have been published. by eCam.

Since Darwin is the reason for the paper, Darwins views must be front and center. And they must be accurately stated in the text. The reader should not have to read a very long quote to discover that Darwin wasn't a skeptic on homeopathy. Rather his mind was made up , he thought homeopathy was useless.

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cable1977
Against logic there is no armor like ignorance
07:58 AM on 11/24/2009
Homeopathy has a whole chain of implausibilities. Here are just a few:

1. The “Law of Similarsâ€, the notion that like cures like, has no basis in biology or the natural world. This is the product of a well known form of magical thinking known as sympathetic magic – the idea that causes resemble effects. Samuel Hahneman, the inventor of homeopathy, thought that the body would not allow two similar ailments to coexist in the body at the same time – but two centuries of medicine and biology has not discovered any such principle. Modern homeopaths explain this alleged effect as the body’s reaction to the homeopathic remedy, like immunization, but there is no immune response to homeopathic potions and there is no other mechanism for any such reaction, so this is just explaining the unknown with another unknown.

2. Hahneman’s theory of disease, the miasma theory (the notion that all chronic illness is caused by external poisons or miasmas) – was pre-scientific and does not correlate with any known biology.

3. Homeopaths claim they treat the whole person, cashing in on the “holistic†marketing brand, but this contradicts the law of similars. They feel their remedies need to be individualized, taking into account many superficial characteristic of the patient, including personality. Yet they simultaneously claim that a specific remedy will treat a specific symptom based upon the law of similars. So this whole person approach is both implausible and internally inconsistent.
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Sheldon101
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05:48 PM on 11/23/2009
A HUNDRED HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES
FOR THE PRICE OF ONE.

This is a speculative comment and is not covered by my normal research policy. If I get it wrong, don't expect an apology.

The output of a talk based therapy, such as cognitive-behavior theory, is a change in the thinking and behaviour of the client. The output of conventional medicine is often a prescription drug. The output of a homeopath is almost always a homeopathic remedy.

I've never understood why homeopathic remedies don't have side effects. After all, it is the remedy alone that does the healing. And as successive successions and dilutions potentiate the remedy in the double distilled water, they must also be potentiating the contaminants in the water.Why isn't the fecal matter in the water not being potentiating in the water?

Why can't we give the homeopathic physical ingredient a 8C head start before we are concerned with contaminations in the double distilled water. I think an 8C dilution is equivalent to a 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000 dilution So for a 30C preparation, we've got a whole bunch of 22C potentiated contaminants, some of which must be homeopathic remedies in their own right.

How does the physical body (remembering the first paragraph) know which homeopathic remedy to follow as it works from the head to the toes?

Flu Vaccination: Safe, effective and very logical.
05:54 PM on 11/23/2009
If this dilution actually potentiates a substance, we would all be dead from the trace materials that exist or existed in the water we drink.
billstewart
Not a micro-biologist
07:28 PM on 11/24/2009
If you look at the homeopathic remedies in your health food store, you'll find that they aren't all diluted into mystical substance-free-ness, especially the ones that are packaged as pills as opposed to liquids. Ignore the bogus explanations of why dilution works - some ingredients don't need very large quantities (for instance, vitamin B12 is effective in microgram quantities.)

When I get the flu, I've found a homeopathic product called "Alpha CF" consistently reduce the symptoms, so I feel only mildly bad instead of really really bad. (And until Tamiflu came out, modern medicine didn't really have anything to offer besides aspirin for fever, decongestants, and chicken soup.) On the other hand, one of the ingredients is ipecac. There's not enough to induce vomiting, but there's enough I can tell that it's there.
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Sheldon101
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10:26 PM on 11/25/2009
Doesn't seem very homeopathic to me looking at the dilutions
http://www.boericketafel.com/commerce/product.jsp?prodId=4506&catId=&companyId=48

Flu Vaccination: Almost as safe as homeopathic flu vaccine, except that it works.
01:36 PM on 11/23/2009
The basic precondition to getting an infection is being alive. It doesn't mean (as the author implies) that there is something wrong with our immune systems because we get sick. If one is exposed to a large enough inoculum of micro-organisms they form a colony, etc.
04:16 PM on 11/23/2009
The Germ theory is incomplete at best. Yes, some germs can be so overpowering that most everyone will get sick, but if all germs were that way, everyone would be sick all the time. Everyone would respond to the same germs in the same way. Even Pasteur recognized that he had to stress his animals and withhold good nutrition for them to get sick from the germs to which he exposed them.

So you have to be dis-eased in order to get diseased.

But just because science can't measure "dis-ease" does not mean that it isn't a reality. Unfortunately, there probably is no patentable way to measure it, thus, no one is interested.
04:25 PM on 11/23/2009
Denying the germ theory? What century is this?
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cable1977
Against logic there is no armor like ignorance
05:48 PM on 11/23/2009
"Even Pasteur recognized that he had to stress his animals and withhold good nutrition for them to get sick from the germs to which he exposed them."

Because we have this thing called genetics and we are not all the same. Immunology is a complicated field. A person could be exposed to a small amount of a pathogen at one point in their life and be asymptomatic. They are then exposed to a larger dose of pathogen and do not develop disease, yet a person who had not been exposed previously would develop the disease based on the same dose of pathogen. Germ theory is not incomplete, simply your understanding of immunology, microbiology, physiology, and virology is.

I guarantee that no matter how healthy you are, you would become sick with an infection of every pathogen at some dose of that pathogen.
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Ian Rennie
It irritates people that I'm a librarian :)
11:45 AM on 11/23/2009
I'll give a damn about what a homeopath says the moment one can tell the difference between a solution diluted below the avogadro constant and a similar vial of solvent under controlled conditions.

The lucky homeopath who does so will also win one million dollars from James Randi, so what are you waiting for?
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Dana Ullman
Evidence Based Homeopath
01:36 PM on 11/23/2009
It is totally amazing that anyone has respect for James Randi, a magician. He and his minions has engaged in "junk science" in his efforts to disprove homeopathy, and as a magician, he is wonderfully able to fool some people some of the time. For EVIDENCE of this junk science, read several of the articles here: http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/by_category.jsp?id=37

Note that the BBC said that they were "replicating" the work of Professor M. Ennis, but read Ennis letter that confirms that this is a lie. Randi has been informed about this lie, and yet, he did (and continues to do) nothing to correct it. I would love to be proven wrong on this because I respect good research, not junk science.

And John Stossel has proven himself to be the king of junk science and junk journalism. Did anyone ever see his tv report on organic foods where he reported on "research" ...but he and his team "forgot" to do the research and simply made up the data. "The Nation" wrote a blistering review of this...see for yourself.
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cable1977
Against logic there is no armor like ignorance
01:47 PM on 11/23/2009
You didn't actually answer any of Ian's criticisms, but simply leveled 3 paragraphs of attack on James Randi, which really had nothing to the critical points that Ian was making. Regardless of what James Randi's connections are, do you have a sufficient answer to Ian's initial question?
02:15 PM on 11/23/2009
Randi operates in the same tradition as Houdini who spent his career revealing charlatans who claimed spiritual and magical powers including fortune tellers, healers, etc. His expertise in the physical tricks of the trade enabled him to expose as a fraud every single person he challenged or challenged him. Neither Randi nor Houdini claimed any positive that had to be proved like you do with homeopathy, rather they use(d) facts and common sense to reveal the falsity of the claims presented.

You also completely sidestepped the issue of the reward... why is that? Wouldn't you want a million dollars to promote the "benefits" of homeopathy? Or are you more interested in preserving the benefits you receive by not being to prove your case and diverting attention from that fact?

And just because Stossell is a rightwing libertarian with a political and financial agenda, that again does nothing to prove your case or negate the overwhelming facts that homeopathy is a profit machine based on on the bottling of distilled water.

Oh, and just in case I missed out, has Ennis' work been replicated, recognized and published in any peer reviewed journals? Also has anyone been able to prove the alleged discrepancies used on the Horizons show led to an outcome that has been proven to be wrong? With all the time, money and resources available I'm sure someone must have done so by now.
11:14 AM on 11/23/2009
Many of you whiz kids with backgrounds in chemistry, medicine, inter alias keep engaging in passive-aggressive and ad hominem attacks as to bloggers' qualifications. I am a doctor of law, not a doctor of physics. Even so, I do have extensive undergrad courses in the allied health sciences. As a hobby and in support of my personal studies of homeopathy I do study some of the science of homeopathic medicine. So, to help all of you budding Einsteins, let me give you one good site at which you can learn a little about the quantum mechanics and science of homeopathy. Then, you can write your own article for HuffPost declaring your wisdom and findings.

http://www.hpathy.com/research/smith-how-homeopathy-works-4.asp

I have been studying the writings of Cyril Smith of England for some time. While he does not have all of the answers, his studies of quantum mechanics has most of them as to how the potentization method creates homeopathic medicine.

Further, there is an excellent homeopathy site where you can see some of the photographic evidence of successes by modern homeopathic physicians in India and the US. What they do in dermatology is amazing.

http://www.classicalhomoeopathy.com/app/default.asp

I hope these links give you more information about the discipline Dana Ullman and I follow.
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01:31 PM on 11/23/2009
Not all of us "whiz kids" need to engage in ad hominem attacks. Pointing out false logic or criticizing poor studies is not an ad hominem attack. Nor is questioning a person's credentials when they are attempting to make arguments about quantum mechanics, chemistry, physics, or biology, that they clearly don't understand and are usually simply parroting what they read. I would certainly not attempt to claim that I understand all the nuances of the law because I once read "The Firm". A background in science allows one to be discriminating in the information that they accept as true because of a general understanding of the physical reality we live in. Somehow we have gotten to the place, partially due to the internet, that everyone thinks they are an expert simple because they have attended "Google Universtiy" and have more qualifications or understanding than people who have studied a subject for multiple years.

Multiple sources destroying the quantum mechanics/homeopathy link:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/02/its_not_just_homeopathy_its_quantum_home.php
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/06/your_friday_dose_of_woo_the_circle_is_co_1.php
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/10/your_friday_dose_of_woo_on_wednesday_a_h.php
http://scienceblogs.com/pontiff/2008/11/letter_to_an_older_mathematici.php
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=601
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=40
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2377
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/alternative_medicine_and_the_laws_of_physics/
01:52 PM on 11/23/2009
The idea that quantum mechanics supports homeopathy is so wacky that I have a hard time taking it seriously.

Thanks to this effort. You have far more patience than me.
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04:47 PM on 12/09/2009
Thanks! I find this quite interesting although I do not subscribe to the Quantum mechanical explanations yet, they are of interest.

Scientsts have discovered (and it has been verified) that high dilutions can and do stimulate biological effects by molecules which have been diluted away, as though they are still there (Inflammation Research, vol 53, p181). And I DON'T CARE HOW MANY ZEROS are after the dilution coefficient - we are talking about molecular and atomic quantities. (And NO, the BBC documentary did NOT "refute" Ennis' experiment).

Comments from Dr. Brian Josephson, regarding Homeopathy (from his web page, "Is Homeopathy Nonsense and Why It May Not Be!)

"...criticisms centred around the vanishingly small number of solute molecules present in a solution after it has been repeatedly diluted are beside the point, since advocates of homeopathic remedies attribute their effects not to molecules present in the water, but to modifications of the water's structure."

"Simple-minded analysis may suggest that water, being a fluid, cannot have a structure of the kind that such a picture would demand. But cases such as that of liquid crystals, which while flowing like an ordinary fluid can maintain an ordered structure over macroscopic distances, show the limitations of such ways of thinking. There have not, to the best of my knowledge, been any refutations of homeopathy that remain valid after this particular point is taken into account."

(quoted from Letter to the New Scientist by Brian Josepshson)

Thanks again!
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09:15 AM on 11/23/2009
We have television channels desperate for material with which to fill them. Wouldn’t a series dispassionately investigating the medical cases of individuals treated with various palliatives, constitute a worthy work of entertainment if not enlightenment? Be it physical or self suggestion, if there is anything of value to be found and incorporated into our existing methods. Shouldn’t we at least be investigating that tantalising promise? Through recourse to those devices now available, to interrogate our own minds and bodies.
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08:10 AM on 11/23/2009
I am not into homeopathy, but I love your title.
I am so tired of trying to explain to people the difference between alleviating the pain of an illness, and actually curing it, that usually I'll just nod my head and agree with whatever they are saying.