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Dan Collins

Posted: May 6, 2010 09:18 AM

Giuliani and Pataki Play Monday Morning Patriot

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New Yorkers who lived through the attacks on the World Trade Center tend to feel a special role in the war on terror. We're the silent witnesses to the worst that can happen.

Unfortunately, the politicians who were there with us won't stop talking.

First it was Rudy Giuliani, who felt the lesson of 9/11 was that he should be president. Once he lost, Rudy became a voice of the Republican Party, reinterpreting every new terrorist plot as an indictment of Barack Obama.

That reached a humiliating crescendo when the Christmas holiday bomber failed to explode his underwear over Detroit. Rudy decreed that the botched plot showed that the Obama administration was a flop compared to George W. Bush who - as he claimed in one moment of over-enthusiasm - had never allowed a terrorist attack to occur on American soil.

After the Times Square bombing last week, it took Giuliani a surprisingly long time to surface and announce that the White House had failed to do anything right.

It was former governor George Pataki, of all people, who started things off with a bang. "I don't think you call it victory," he said on MSNBC. "I think victory would be being able to prevent these before they get to that point where you have a loaded van in Times Square."

It was a surprisingly energetic performance for Pataki, who is now the head of a repeal-Obama-health-care movement. (If he's as hard-driving about repealing health care reform as he was about rebuilding lower Manhattan, the uninsured have nothing to fear.)

Both men were critical of the administration's handling of the CIA. ("I hope we go back to being somewhat more aggressive and not put fear in the hearts of CIA agents," Rudy told Larry King.) Pataki said Obama policies like reading arrested terror suspects their rights "have weakened our security and have made events - tragic possible events like last Saturday night in Times Square - much harder to prevent."

Giuliani attacked the administration for allowing news that Faisal Shahzad had confessed to the Times Square attack to leak out - "that they would kind of boast that he confessed." He and Pataki both criticized the administration's attempts to try the architect of the 9/11 attack in civilian courts. "We can't have civilian trials for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed," Pataki said in an interview with Fox News. "He is a mass murdering war criminal. He should be tried in military tribunals."

Giuliani, of course, had once praised the Bush administration for trying "20th hijacker" Zacarias Moussaoui in federal court, saying: "I think there is value in demonstrating to people what America is like." On the King show he tried to explained away the disconnect by arguing that the Bush administration didn't have the capacity to try terrorists in military court.

Which would sure be a great way to show the world what America is like. Oh, never mind.

What was most notable about Pataki's and Giuliani's comments were the unwillingness to cut the Obama administration the slightest bit of slack. The White House handled the whole crisis calmly, to a resolution that involved the quick capture of the culprit. Who was handled in a way that respected our constitution and legal traditions, while also encouraging him to spill his guts.

Obviously, it would have been better of authorities could have caught the would-be Times Square bomber before the fact. That point that could be better made, though, by people who were less protective of George W. Bush after he failed to anticipate the World Trade Center attack, despite the warnings from his intelligence experts that something bad was coming, via airplane.

All this carping leaves a bad impression - not that Obama and his lieutenants did anything wrong, but that the opposition can't bear to create a united front, even in cases as profound as this.

These guys in particular would have been horrified by this kind of political carping after 9/11. But the world is all different now, of course. They're on the outside, carping in.

 
 
 
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hatmadder
nothing is more real than nothing
07:47 PM on 05/08/2010
Carping, indeed. Isn't it just beyond belief that politicians still are grasping at a chance to benefit from catastrophe instead of focusing on the REAL security and safety of our nation?
08:22 AM on 05/08/2010
In 1993 the bombing of the WTC was seen as an unsuccessful attempt to bring at least one of the two towers down. Nevertheless, Rudy Giuliani, a self described expert on terrorism, later chose to locate New York's emergency operations center within the WTC complex. As a result of the attacks on 9/11 that center was destroyed.

One has to wonder how many of the hundreds of emergency responders and thousands of civillians that were killed would have survived had that center been functioning elsewhere. While Giuliani was widely hailed as a hero for his efforts on 9/11, his poor judgement in siting the emergency center in a known target zone for terrorism was largely overlooked.

This lack of good judgement was paralled of course by President Bush's cavalier dismissal of warnings of a potential, perhaps looming attack on the nation.

Despite the efforts of Giuliani and others on the right to so reprehensibly and dishonestly deny that terror attacks occured on Bush's watch. The record will forever document that errors in the judgement of these two men surely contributed to the staggering losses of that day in 2001.
01:26 PM on 05/07/2010
Way to go Rudy!! That might explain why you allowed terrorist to take flying lesson, and then be allowed to fly them into the World Trade Center killing thousands of people. Oh yeah, that's right your administration was on top of things huh! Don't be a sore looser Rudy, you didn't have what it took to be the President of the United States, and you still don't have what it takes. President Obama may not have what you think it takes to run this country, but so far, each terrorist who tried to blow up a Plane, Times Square and other places have been caught. Way to go President Obama! Suck it up Rudy, the only thing you have done right was cheat on Donna so she can divorce you and marry a real man.
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quindy
quindy
08:53 AM on 05/07/2010
Republicans cannot stand when Democrat is doing good job.

3000 people dead translates in a sick republican mind into - Bush kept us safe.
Potential terrorists in custody - Obama failed.

Spin, baby, spin.
02:02 AM on 05/07/2010
Saying the word "TERRORIST" is an orgasm for Rudy, totally hollow man.
11:17 PM on 05/06/2010
Who is really making this country unsafe????? A President who has increased troops in Afganistan, increased drone attacks, achieved better dialogue with other countries, and is working on cutting down our nuclear arsenal, or the Conservative Replublican idiots that keep say our Commander -in- chief is weak.
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skatscan
04:10 AM on 05/07/2010
The CONarchists ARE really goos at telling the word how "weak" America is.
08:23 AM on 05/07/2010
I think the Pr4esident wins. let's not forget his denial of the Islamic base,his setting withdrawl dates. his notice a chemical attack won't be responded via atomic counterattack,his cabinet agencies keeping profiling off the books,his hiring political allies who were in danger of losing their state jobs (Napppie,anyone ?),the characterizations of "the system worked " when a terrorist burns his dick and passengers subdue him,his trying previously mentioned dick burner in private,not military courts , his attempt to try Sheikh Khaleel Muhammad in NYC courts.Got to go.Someone is in labor. But,maybe you get my point.
And?As Voltaire mentions, "Facts are stubborn things."
Be interesting to see if the censors let this by
bklynsparrow
creating reality from unreal things
12:57 PM on 05/08/2010
Instead of trying to spin Obama's every action into a fake failing, you should catalog the real failings of the Bush Administration . But that list would be far too overwhelming, I'm guessing.
06:28 PM on 05/06/2010
Hey, let's give the FBI and the NYPD a really big hand for this. If Rudy were back in the saddle at City Hall, he would have been handing out medals with all the police brass behind him and good old George at his side. It would have been bread and circus, but the right people would have received their due. And who could argue with that?

Now, we've got American citizens lured to the dark side of Islamic fundamentalism, and what are these two jokers going to do about it? If - God forbid - some teenage admirer of bin Laden opens fire in a school, how the hell will the President or anybody with a crystal ball see it coming? If somebody tells you that the President is enabling or facilitating terrorist acts, that person should not be believed for anything. This goes beyond BS. This is wicked slander.
06:11 PM on 05/06/2010
The Rudy and The Grifter Woman will not leave the stage as long as there are fools still willing to listen to them and give them money. These fools are the ones who can remove them from the public stage.
06:11 PM on 05/06/2010
giuliani would have made a great president.
06:43 PM on 05/06/2010
Of what?
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skatscan
04:11 AM on 05/07/2010
That one mighty voter he got in the primary showed America agreed with you.
06:03 PM on 05/06/2010
Rudy and Georgie are a really good team. Hopefully they will run again for something-run away. Rudy and Georgie have long ago been discredited and yet they just keep talking and the media " covers " this crap.
05:58 PM on 05/06/2010
PATAKI IS SO BUSY TRYING TO GET SOME MEDIA TIME IT WAS PROBABLY HIM WHO TOLD THE MEDIA WHO THEY WERE LOOKING AT WHILE HE WAS BEGGING FOR MONEY THAT IS WHAT THEY DO YOU KNOW SAY OBAMA IS THE BLAME FOR THE SUN OR THE RAIN BUT CAN HE GIVE ME SOME MONEY
05:58 PM on 05/06/2010
First it was Rudy Giuliani, who felt the lesson of 9/11 was that he should be president. Once he lost, Rudy became a voice of the Republican Party, reinterpreting every new terrorist plot as an indictment of Barack Obama.

That reached a humiliating crescendo when the Christmas holiday bomber failed to explode his underwear over Detroit. Rudy decreed that the botched plot showed that the Obama administration was a flop compared to George W. Bush who - as he claimed in one moment of over-enthusiasm - had never allowed a terrorist attack to occur on American soil.
guilatty
Something has got to make sense eventually
05:34 PM on 05/06/2010
Didn't Giuliani have his chance to catch some people at a random act of violence?

If he knows of some way to determine which frustrated father of two in suburban Connecticut with money problems was going to cook off and go crazy and if he knew of some resource that could watch this guy 24/7, along with the millions of others like him to prevent it maybe he could share it with us? What a disappointment this man is. And Pataki. What the hell is he talking about? Are these idiots really saying what we think they are saying? They want an increased police presence in our lives? More than now?

Giuliani, Pataki, grow a couple pairs. Stop cowering. Stop freaking out like two schoolgirls. We got the guy. Give credit where it is due.
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rikster
buy the ticket-take the ride
04:43 PM on 05/06/2010
they were both on their way out before the events of that September day. it was all "Hollywood" after that....and they cleverly parlayed it well.
Helloise
Healthy skeptic admires reason, trusts intuition
05:08 PM on 05/06/2010
You are absolutely correct. As I sat in my downtown NYC apartment, I had a day or two of appreciating Guilliani's performance as a reassuring presence until it came out that the reason he was on the streets at all was because, despite advice after the first WTC bombing, he insisted on putting the city's command center in the Twin Towers. Since he has made millions based on the premise that he is a national security expert. In fact, there was a terrorism/national security expert there that day, heroic, former FBI agent, John O'Neill, who was on his first day of the job and died on the scene. Had he lived and made a comment, it would have been worth hearing. The same cannot be said of either Rudy or Pataki.
bklynsparrow
creating reality from unreal things
01:06 PM on 05/08/2010
There are 416 laser engraved granite portraits of the First Responders who died on 9-11, on the Brooklyn Wall of Remembrance. It's on Coney Island on the western wall of MCU/Cyclones Park. John O'Neill is there. The day the Wall was dedicated, the names were read and his was read by a long time friend who was one of those who built the memorial. It is the only memorial to have portraits. (www.brooklynwall.org). He also said the same thing of Agent O'Neill. A great loss, not only for his family, but to NYC.
dcgal1
what does this mean?
04:24 PM on 05/06/2010
unfortunately people will listen to these 2 and believe what they say because they want to and they know that the dems wil never stand up and defend this president, they will only whine and complain when he does'nt do what they want when they want, that is why there will be a rep president in 2012.
06:07 PM on 05/06/2010
dcgal1 needs to offer her commentary after the 2012 election. The voters will not ignore their common sense and understanding of who caused what and who is working to correct it. Let's hear from dcgal1 after the 2012 election.
dcgal1
what does this mean?
06:37 PM on 05/06/2010
Say what you will about me, but the disloyalty of the dem party will prove me right. Im not rooting for this, but it's just a fact. I am a staunch dem, but I am noticing a disturbing trend in the dem party that leads me to believe this. The fact that the dems seem more than willing to help the repubs bring this president down with their whinning and complaining can only help them. The rubs succeed because they are loyal and if we keep dragging down BOs poll numbers this can only help the repubs. in their quest. Until the dems stop eating their own, we will always be out of power.