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Daniel Kessler

Daniel Kessler

Posted: January 28, 2010 02:57 PM

"Clean" Nuclear Power? The President Knows Better

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In last night's State of the Union address, President Obama said that "(t)o create more of these clean energy jobs, we need more production, more efficiency, more incentives. And that means building a new generation of safe, clean nuclear power plants in this country." Despite his statement, the President knows better.

Nuclear power is neither safe nor clean. There is no such thing as a "safe" dose of radiation and just because nuclear pollution is invisible doesn't mean it's "clean." For years nuclear plants have been leaking radioactive waste from underground pipes and radioactive waste pools into the ground water at sites across the nation. Mr. Obama was prompted to address the issue when radioactive contamination was found in drinking wells and off the nuclear plant site at Exelon's Braidwood nuclear plant.

In 2006, when the President was serving as a senator from Illinois, he introduced the Nuclear Release Notice Act to address the radioactive contamination of groundwater at several nuclear reactors in his state. Unfortunately, the bill never became law.

Rather than hold nuclear power plant owners accountable for the uncontrolled and unmonitored leaks, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) handed the problem over to the nuclear industry's lobbyists. Despite the fact that tritium releases to groundwater violate the terms of the nuclear plant's license, the NRC has failed to exercise its regulatory authority. Instead, NRC has allowed the Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI) to create a voluntary industry program to deal with the tritium contamination.

Since then, the trickle of operators of nuclear plants acknowledging that they've contaminated the ground water at their sites has grown into a deluge. The nuclear plants that have admitted leaking radioactive hydrogen or tritium into the groundwater include: Braidwood, Byron & Dresden in Ilinois; Indian Point & Fitzpatrick in New York; Yankee Rowe & Pilgrim in Massachusetts; Three Mile Island & Peach Bottom in Pennsylvania; Callaway in Missouri; Oyster Creek in New Jersey; Hatch in Georgia; Palo Verde In Arizona; Perry in Ohio; Point Beach in Wisconsin; Salem in Delaware; Seabrook in New Hampshire; Watts Bar in Tennessee; Wolf Creek in Kansas; Connecticut Yankee and most recently Vermont Yankee. This NY Times article explains it all.

This list is likely incomplete and still growing. It remains difficult for the public to track which nuclear plants are leaking radioactive contamination because the NRC has failed to update its website since October of 2007 when it abdicated its authority to the industry's voluntary initiative.

The President was then less than pleased with the industry's voluntary regulation of radioactive leaks. Then Senator Obama responded that

(w)hile it's encouraging that the nuclear industry recognizes it has a special responsibility to keep communities informed of tritium leaks, the voluntary guidelines recommended by the Nuclear Energy Institute would still allow tritium leaks to occur without the public ever finding out about it. The nuclear industry already has a voluntary policy, and it hasn't worked.

Obama's comments now seem prophetic. Recently, just one week after the government regulators extended the operating license for the 40-year-old Oyster Creek reactor in New Jersey, the plant owner admitted leaking radioactive contamination into the plants ground water. This most recent revelation has prompted several members of Congress to ask the U.S. General Accountability Office (GAO) to investigate the leaks and how regulators at the NRC have mishandled the issue.

According to Congressman Ed Markey, who oversees the NRC, "(u)nder current regulations, miles and miles of buried pipes within nuclear reactors have never been inspected and will likely never be inspected."

Markey concluded that "(t)his is simply unacceptable. As it stands, the NRC requires-at most-a single, spot inspection of the buried piping systems no more than once every 10 years. This cannot possibly be sufficient to ensure the safety of both the public and the plant."

If President Obama truly wants a clean energy economy and the jobs that come with it, he should abandon the failed policies of the past. Nuclear power is a dirty and dangerous distraction from the clean energy future the President has promised America.

--Written with Greenpeace Nuclear Analyst Jim Riccio

 

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In last night's State of the Union address, President Obama said that "(t)o create more of these clean energy jobs, we need more production, more efficiency, more incentives. And that means building a...
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06:27 PM on 02/28/2010
Solar rooftop pv is less expensive than nukes, sometime cheaper than coal:

Rooftop PV Solar systems are being installed for 2$ or less:

Here is the proof of that:

rooftop pf install systems for less than 2$ per Wp installed(3 cents per KWH*):

http://eetd.lbl.gov/EA/EMP/reports/lbnl-2674e.pdf

Page 16, list the installed cost from 2$ to 20$.

35% of the system cost 7-8$
15% cost 6-7$
5% cost 5-6$
2% cost 4-5$
about 1% cost 3-4$

about .5% cost 2-3$
and 62 system were not included because they cost less than 2$

Here is where YOU CAN BUY panels for 1$/Wp for new panels.

Shop around. And this is before subsides. check for subsides in your area, state federal, utility, and solar contractors all have subsides and funding options.

Solar Panels prices per peak watt have dropped from 8$ per Wp to less than 2$ per peak what.
98 cents 201001 (1.88 /Wp 090929 was 1.55 per peak watt 090801)
http://www.atensolar.com/EPV.
http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/solar_panels.htm

*as an investment(cash) , over 30 years, 6 hours "sunniness"

Nukes 25 cents per KWH,
http://energyeconomyonline.com/uploads/Is_New_Nuclear_Competitive_July_10_2009_FNS_Event.pdf
http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/05/study-cost-risks-new-nuclear-power-plants/

10$ per W nuclear build cost.
http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/15/nuclear-power-plant-cost-bombshell-ontario/
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
03:53 PM on 02/21/2010
I remember that when they were first building nuclear plants they said electricity would be "too cheap to meter." Has anybody seen that? No.

Nuclear industry and their supporters in government are liars.

I also remember when they were first building them, inspectors found construction workers had thrown their empty [beer] bottles into the cement, which, of course had to be replaced. How many human errors like this were missed? How many would be missed in the future? Yes, the system is perfect until a laborer throws his empty into the mix.

No nukes!
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
03:41 PM on 02/21/2010
From the President, to Bill Gates to T. Boone Pickens, all the "alternative" solutions coming out of the US require enormous corporates and capital to operate. The solutions that benefit corporations.

We should be following the German example where families, small and medium sized businesses can directly benefit.

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/04/germany-the-worlds-first-major-renewable-energy-economy

If we had to see industrial solutions, I'd rather see hydro electric power generation.
charles77
Just the Facts Please
03:13 PM on 02/17/2010
What is nuclear power?

Our planet contains a large amount of fissionable material like urainium, (there are others, but for this discussion, I will talk about urainium) that some planets do not. This material is constantly and naturally being “burned†inside our planet and turned into lead, that is how we date rocks, by measuring the ratio of these materials.

The heat this process naturally produces is the reason our planted still has a molten mantel, unlike say Mars, which does not, but was formed at about the same time. All we are in essence doing is takeing some of this material that occurs naturally in our planet and is naturally burning inside our planet now, concentrating it, burning it in our reactors, capturing the heat for our purposes, (generating electricty) then returning the resuling material, which would have been produced overtime in our planet anyway, and reburying it.

Our old style reactors were less efficient and produced a byproduct that was highly radioactive, (still burning hot, like embers in a fire) and needed to be guarded for 10,000 years. Newer style reactors are much more efficient, and can burn the existing waste you are talking about, producing a byproduct (not still burning hot like embers, more like ash from a fire) that is radioactive for only 200 years.

MIT Link ( not a rightwing group).

http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/19758
12:02 AM on 02/28/2010
The link it to Charlie's company: Thorium Power Inc.

They sell Thorium fuel rods that are even more radioactive for a 100 years.
02:21 PM on 02/28/2010
thorium waste is deadly for 1000's of years, half life's are hundreds of years.
charles77
Just the Facts Please
02:58 PM on 02/17/2010
"There is no such thing as a "safe" dose of radiation "

There is radiation all around us all the time. The earth is filled with natural elements that emit radiation all the time.
There in every rock you ever touched. We date rocks by measuring the level of radioactive decay.

Google "background radiation"
08:16 AM on 02/15/2010
News for the nuclear power enthusiasts: nuclear power is way too expensive http://wp.me/pv9fo-9B . Why waste money on a dangerous technology when we have so many viable alternatives?
charles77
Just the Facts Please
03:06 PM on 02/17/2010
The founder of Greenpeace supports nuclear energy

Most sane environmentalists support nuclear because they are smart enough to realize the alternative is coal. Solar and wind due to storage issues (batteries) can only supply 20-25 % of our power so real environmentalists know The ONLY choice we have today for the other 75% of baseline 24/7 power are Coal or Nuclear. They don’t like coal, so they support nuclear.

As Bill Gates pointed out at the TED conference new (or new fuel for old reactors) reactors offer no possibility of a meltdown, generate its power inexpensively, CREATE NO WEAPONS-GRADE BY-PRODUCTS, and burn up existing high-level waste as well as old nuclear weapon stockpiles. Thorium fuel can be modified to be used in current reactors.
Read this article from MIT ( not a rightwing group).
http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/19758
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
03:38 PM on 02/21/2010
"No possibility" does not exist in systems operated by humans and a world in which there are terrorists.
03:09 PM on 02/02/2010
Solar panels have dropped in price to less than a dollar per Wp.
http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/solar_panels.htm
rooftop pv 3 cents sola, wind, eff, and waste biofuels can supply the first world energy comforts to the entire world

Quickly Clean Safe Cheap and Forever.

1 trillion dollar investment in Green energy can pay back of a trillion dollars a years year after year.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/research complete proof, argument and links.

Don't fall for the same old big money, big danger, proven failure of TMI Chernobyl Nukes.
09:38 PM on 02/01/2010
Peter Lang does a thorough analysis of the cost of supplying all of Australia (one of the best locations on Earth) with Renewables. Conclusion:

Solar PV with Pumped Hydro storage: $2,800 billion
Solar PV with NaS battery storage: $4,600 billion
Solar Thermal with storage: $4,400 billion
Nuclear Power: $120 billion

Just the cost of the Power Transmission TRUNK lines (500kv AC - not superexpensive superconducting ) to supply Australia with Wind & Solar Energy is $180 billion -- 50% MORE THAN THE ENTIRE NUCLEAR OPTION!!

CO2 emissions for all of Australia for 30 days:

Solar PV: 71 million tonnes
Coal: 219 million tonnes
Coal with CCS: 33 million tonnes
Nuclear: 3.3 million tonnes


http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/09/10/solar-realities-and-transmission-costs-addendum/

http://bravenewclimate.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/lang_solar_realities_v2.pdf
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10:40 PM on 02/01/2010
right wing websites....
03:38 PM on 02/28/2010
Conservatives like the death, danger and fear nukes provide.
10:46 PM on 02/01/2010
pure bs. Solar needs no storage, solar coincides with peak energy use.

PV solar generates Zero CO2
07:24 PM on 02/01/2010
Solar can provide 50% of our electricity needs without storage or long distance transmission.

Wind can provide 25% without storage.

Waste bio Fuels can take our pollution and convert it to enough fuels and energy to supply the rest.

With a world superconducting cable, that Buckminster Fuller proposed decades ago, Solar can provide 24/7 electricity to the entire world.

Solar is already the cheapest electricity the end use invest in, in Hawaii, CA and most of the south: as low as 3 cents per KWH, for electricity that cost 30 cents or more.
09:59 PM on 02/01/2010
He makes it up as fast as he can type.

No proof of any of it as none exists.

As for his absurd 3 cents a kilowatt hour

For real commercial costs, Google Arcadia Fl. Solar

42 Gwh/annual. The largest PV plant in the country just opened by Obama hisself , $150M total cost, $32B/Gw average or 50 cents a kwh at Florida Power's discount rate.
10:04 PM on 02/01/2010
"He makes it up as fast as he can type."

yes you do.

Nukes cost 25 cents per KWH, minimum.

For the real costs of nuclear try Chernobyl and TMI.
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10:45 PM on 02/01/2010
liar....rancho cielo solar farm is 800 million for 0.7 GW...and this includes the cost of a solar panel plant that can continue making panels...
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Michael Eberly
Systems Engineer, Naval Reservist, Born
11:52 PM on 02/01/2010
OK "research", since you must be into doing research, how about you look up the average daily energy usage rate in the United States. Look up the peak energy rate available from solar radiation per unit area at the Earth's surface. Estimate an energy conversion efficiency for whatever solar to electrical power conversion method you like the best. Calculate how much of the United States land area you need to use to achieve 50% of the average daily energy usage rate in the United States.

Feel free to show your math.
12:01 AM on 02/02/2010
We've tried this on him. His arithmetic would disgust his grade 3 teacher.
01:49 AM on 02/02/2010
Apparently it is more about popularity to "research" then actual solutions based on his last several comments to sethdayal.

If only this were a high school popularity contest. But it isn't. This is the adult world where real world solutions are needed since millions of people's welfare and livelihood are affected.
06:55 PM on 02/01/2010
Dr. Stephen Chu is a nobel-prize winning physicist and as head of the DOE, he is driving this for the Obama administration.

So what is Chu saying to Obama?

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"Mr. President, the simple fact is that Solar and Wind power will never supply more than 20% of our grid. It is a physical and technological impossibility, no matter what the alternative energy promoters say. The only reason Europe has beens so successful with wind and solar is that they have a massive block of nuclear reactors in France, stablizing the entire European grid .

Here are the numbers (he provides a study) provided by the top energy experts in the country.

Mr. President, we either start back with nuclear power, or this nation is forever condemned to burn coal until our land is black with soot. Or, as another option, we do not survive the next century."

Obama: "But many of our constituency are afraid of nuclear power."

Chu: "Well, my Grandma was wouldn't sit in the driver's seat of a car. She was scared to death of them. That doesn't mean we shut down the whole highway system ."

Obama: "Good point. OK, how do we do this right. Let's set the groundwork. Let's start to pull this issue away from the Republicans, otherwise this will be dogging us forever."
07:52 PM on 02/01/2010
You conservatives love the danger of nukes, right?

I've worked with conservative engineers and scientist, and they always want the deadly stuff, even if we don';t need it.

They want it because it create a security culture that they are in charge of.

Conservatives want to be Monarchs, controlling the fearful Peasants, and nukes are just great for that.

Nukes are Apocalyptic. That's not exaggeration, that's a fact.
10:02 PM on 02/01/2010
The real Apocalypse is when folks like Research by working so hard on not so renewables from Dreamland, ensure nothing is done about. toxic coal pollution, Global warming or peak oil until billions more are dead and civilization is shattered.
10:12 PM on 02/01/2010
Seth, you aren't even honest on the basic facts, 9 people think you know what you are talking about. why do you bother?
charles77
Just the Facts Please
11:34 PM on 02/17/2010
We new about Thorium reactors in the sixties, but the pentagon pushed for the old style reactors because they did produce weapons grade products to be used in weapons.

The newer “Thorium†style reactors, and all our old nuclear reactors with drop in “Thorium†replacement rods (which are a mixture of Thorium, Urainium, and nuclear waste either from nuclear plants or weapons) do not produce weapons material.

As Bill Gates pointed out at the TED conference (Gates, “we could power the entire US by burning the nuclear waste we have today in Thorium reactorsâ€
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/bill-gates-ted-speech-201_n_461034.html and has Dr Chu, Obamas Energy Czar (a PhD in Physics and a Nobel Prize winner in Physics), pointed out to Obama, and as Harry Reid, Democrate Senate leader has pointed out (Google it), New Thorium reactors offer no possibility of a meltdown, generate its power inexpensively, create no weapons-grade by-products, and burn up existing high-level waste as well as old nuclear weapon stockpiles. Thorium fuel rods can be modified to be used in current reactors to convert old reactors to Thorium reactors.

Here is a link on from MIT on Thorium reactors and Thorium fuel rods (MIT, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is not a rightwing group).

http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/19758

or just google: “Thorium reactors†or “Thorium fuel rods“ on your own.
06:38 PM on 02/01/2010
One other fact:

The nuclear reactors in France are what make wind and solar power viable in Europe. Without that backbone of French nuclear power, routed all over Europe, the wind and solar installations would be useless because of their intermittency.

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charles77
Just the Facts Please
11:39 PM on 02/17/2010
You are correct!

Most sane environmentalists support nuclear because they are smart enough to realize the alternative is coal. Solar and wind due to storage issues (batteries) can only supply 20-25 % of our power so real environmentalists know The ONLY choice we have today for the other 75% of baseline 24/7 power are Coal or Nuclear. They don’t like coal, so they support nuclear.

The issue is not how much power can be generated by Solar, the issue is we cannot store it for use when the sun is not shinning. The south, where energy use is highest on hot sunny days due to air conditioner use, is the best application for solar. But you are incorrect about 24/7 baseloads because even in the south, the sun does not shine at night. For that you would need huge batteries with their own environmental issues. Read your cell phone battery's disposal warning.

As Bill Gates pointed out at the TED conference new (or new Thorium fuel rods for old reactors) Thorium reactors offer no possibility of a meltdown, generate its power inexpensively, CREATE NO WEAPONS-GRADE BY-PRODUCTS, and burn up existing high-level waste as well as old nuclear weapon stockpiles. Thorium fuel can be modified to be used in current reactors.
Read this article from MIT ( not a rightwing group).
http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/19758
06:34 PM on 02/01/2010
- Wave power: massive, unbelievable maintenance problems. Ocean water is the dirtyest, most corrosive, most impossible stuff on the planet. Leaching of metal and plastic components are likely to pollute massive stretches of coastline. Compared to nuclear power, wave power is an environmental nightmare. At least with nuclear, we can confine the waste in one small spot.

- Solar power: after 30 years of relentless effort, it's still not clear that solar panels even break even, energy-wise. Most solar installations are dramatically understating maintenance requirements. One good hailstorm and you could see an entire solar farm destroyed. That is totally ignored by the solar promoters. Most rooftop solar panels will never pay back the energy that was used to manufacture, install, and maintain them.

Wind power: also a maintenance nightmare. They break down constantly. Incredibly dangersous for workers (little known fact...US wind farms can't even do normal lubrication service because they can't get workmen's comp insurance.)
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
08:02 PM on 02/01/2010
So are you recommending that we just use available energy and resources for glitzy imported baubles?
charles77
Just the Facts Please
12:37 PM on 02/01/2010
Rather than point out the false statements in this article, which is most of it, here are some real truths from science. I know greenpeace hates anything scientific.
Thorium reactors offer no possibility of a meltdown, generated its power inexpensively, created no weapons-grade by-products, and burnt up existing high-level waste as well as old nuclear weapon stockpiles. Thorium fuel can be modified and used in current reactors.
Here are some sources or just google “thorium reactorsâ€
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/348/
http://www.globenewswire.com/news.html?d=174042
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/19758
02:30 PM on 02/01/2010
sorry, you nuke folks had your chance, you blew it.

Times for rooftop solar, wind, eff, and WASTE bio fuels.
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11:06 AM on 02/01/2010
french nuclear industry is a disaster and is contaminating all of europe....

http://www.alternet.org/audits/132852?page=entire
02:37 PM on 02/01/2010
This is similar to the bunk on Vermont Yankee. Read the earlier comments on this article to get the whole low level nuclear leak myth straighted out for you.
02:44 PM on 02/01/2010
you love how deadly nukes are, don't you Seth? Admit it.
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10:42 PM on 02/01/2010
yeah right....keep drinking the radioactivity.....
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Michael Eberly
Systems Engineer, Naval Reservist, Born
08:38 AM on 02/01/2010
Nuclear Energy has to be used to offset, Coal, oil and Natural Gas. Because no other form of energy can be use to produce the density of energy needed for our modern industrial world. Energy efficiency efforts are good. Wind, Solar, Geothermal, hydro, tidal energy is good,but do not produce energy with enough density and exactly when you need it. Bio-mass will NEVER produce enough energy. Sorry it is a matter of just adding up numbers. Compared to MANY other industrial activities, especially the chemical industry, Nuclear Power how a very good safety record.

What we really need to do is OPEN Yucca Mountain, and start ordering the New reactor designs to replace the 140 or so first generation of Nuclear Reactors that are producing energy for us now.
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
08:10 PM on 02/01/2010
I truly wish the solar industry would change the way they sell -- you can buy a new $30K car that will never pay for itself, or you can set aside dollars to maintain your old car and invest in solar panels with a return on investment that rivals today's lousy certificates of deposit.