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Stop Worrying About Legacy Admissions

Posted: 11/18/11 11:41 AM ET

Legacy preferences: the blight of the academic institutions of the Republic! That dammed practice of letting people in based on who their parents are. That elitism is shameful and un-American. Why are we still doing this?

So wonder many progressives, in a more or less annual rant that comes around at admissions time. According to an editorial in The New Republic:

The country's most selective schools continue the deeply unfair practice of favoring legacies in their admissions process. According to journalist Daniel Golden, 33.9 percent of legacy applicants to the University of Pennsylvania were admitted in 2008, compared with just 16.4 percent of the overall pool. The numbers are even more dramatic elsewhere: At Princeton, in 2009, 41.7 percent of legacies were admitted, compared with 9.2 percent of overall applicants. What sort of institution devoted to meritocracy more than quadruples its admission rate for the children of the well-connected?

What sort of institution? Well this isn’t much of a mystery: it’s an institution that relies on significant private funding. It makes sense for colleges to admit the relatives and children of alumni. That’s because if they don’t admit them the alumni might get mad and stop giving money.

But even if it’s practical, it does sound a little odd. America is one of the only places in the world where a parent’s alma mater has any bearing whether a student can be admitted to the university of his choice.

And with all the focus on test scores and grades, the college admissions process seems like a merit based slotting system, rewarding the most talented and assigning the untalented, or lazy, to America’s less selective schools. America seems to have no problem with that basic method of operation, believing as it does that the process essentially rewards people for doing a good job and working hard.

Even admissions preferences for athletes, which occasionally come under fire from pundits, is not terribly troublesome. Being a good basketball or field hockey player probably isn’t relevant to one’s academic career, but at least it’s a talent.

And then there are legacy preferences, the tendency of college to reward people for their genealogy. But is it really unfair?

If the practice is unjust, it seems to be so only in a very limited, and irrelevant “I’m mad because I didn’t get into Dartmouth” sense. The problem with the basic “down with legacies” argument is that it implies that the legacy preferences of selective colleges prevent otherwise deserving people from getting a great education. This is wrong; if someone doesn’t get into his top school only because he’s not a legacy he won’t be hurt; he will get into one of the other selective schools to which he applied.

The fact that a high school student didn't get into Princeton or Dartmouth despite straight A’s, perfect SAT’s, and impressive extracurricular activities is unfortunate, for sure, but it doesn’t matter. Such a student probably will get into Cornell or Williams, and almost certainly will be admitted to George Washington or BU. And all of those schools are pretty much the same, in terms of the demographics of the students who go there and the types of jobs they hold and lifestyles they lead once they graduate.

Legacy preferences don't make America dumber or poorer, or more even more unequal.

There so many applicants to America’s top schools that if Princeton eliminated legacy preferences it would merely admit more affluent, bright students whose parents didn’t go to Princeton. Removing legacy preferences wouldn’t actually put more poor students in; the number of low-income students otherwise capable of being admitted to selective schools is pretty limited.

Elite colleges often talk about the nature of meritocracy, how important it is for wealthy, selective schools to make it possible for students to succeed there. It's important to hold schools to this pledge, but let's keep this in perspective.

As the Supreme Court determined in Dartmouth College v. Woodward, the private American college does not exist for some ambiguous public improvement project; it exists to do as its trustees see fit. Part of the reason these schools can afford to be so generous is because they have devoted, generous alumni willing to give to make their school great. There's no evidence that any college will enroll legacy students who aren't otherwise prepared to succeed to college, but colleges have to keep the wishes of its generous graduates in mind.

That means the institutions can give out scholarships and build new buildings, it also means keeping alumni happy. An easy, and cheap, way to do this is to give legacy preferences. As long as no one gets hurt (and no one really does) the preference for such applicants makes a lot of sense. It's time to let this one go.

Cross-posted at the Washington Monthly.

 

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Legacy preferences: the blight of the academic institutions of the Republic! That dammed practice of letting people in based on who their parents are. That elitism is shameful and un-American. Why are...
Legacy preferences: the blight of the academic institutions of the Republic! That dammed practice of letting people in based on who their parents are. That elitism is shameful and un-American. Why are...
 
 
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biaknabato
07:32 PM on 11/20/2011
No doubt there are Harvard legacies who belong to the 400.
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biaknabato
07:29 PM on 11/20/2011
Salted Wound,

I had often read claims by legacy parents that their legacy children are qualified to do the work at Harvard. In that case so there are gazillions of other people who are also qualified to the work at Harvard. Harvard claims that 97 % of its undergraduates eventually earn a Harvard diploma. Google the Common Data Set of Cal State Long Beach. It says that between 700-800 students in the freshman class at CSULB have a score o between 600-700 in the Math portion of the SAT ( per 2010 entering freshman class.) . According to Harvard 1/4 or 400 of its freshman class have a score between 600-700 in the Math portion of the SAT. Si if those 700-800 students from Cal State Long Beach enrolled at Harvard, then 97% of them will graduate from Harvard and no doubt are qualified to do the work at Harvard.
08:09 PM on 11/20/2011
What is your point? Lots of people could do well at Harvard who aren't admitted. The same can said of any number of other selective schools.
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Reikoku Jaken
My economic philosophy? Pragmatism
10:49 PM on 11/19/2011
In that case we should eliminate all the tax contributions save the military grants earned by student-soldiers.

I have nothing against legacy admissions to be honest. However, arguing that an institution is intellectually legitimate or better yet - elite, while the statistics create a strong case to the contrary, is morally bankrupt. Hypothetically the legacy students already have the upper hand after all. Their mothers and fathers certainly earn enough money (statistically) to provide the best and most comprehensive education while cultivating a love for intellectualism in the household, do they not?

Such students are primed and prepped for the best of the best schools and should be applying to other selective institutions just as they are to the one attended by mom and dad. Surely they can get into such schools easily, or at least above the natural admission rates.

Or can they?

If all that legacy admissions achieve in the context of our intellectual gradient is the propagation of a bourgeois class whose members view other Americans, regardless of intellect and potential, as a bunch of sub-humans to be preyed upon - then we have a vested interest, as a nation to remove the practice.

Why you ask? Because when the first thing which comes to mind in making decisions which affect the economy is whether or not they upset the corrupt, the inept, and the incompetent members of our Alma matter then we as a country lose.
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IT1579
11:52 AM on 11/20/2011
No mention was made of the academic qualification of the legacy students versus the non-legacy students. A school like Yale must have 15 academically qualified applicants for every slot; thus the admissions requirements for those 15 must reflect non-academic metrics at some point. BTW the most voracious predators are the academic institutions that have raised tuitions costs at a far higher rate than overall inflation over the last 30 years; tuition at private institutions has increased faster than medical costs over the same period.
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Reikoku Jaken
My economic philosophy? Pragmatism
12:00 PM on 11/20/2011
"Academic Qualifications" is Bigfoot. No one seems to know how to find a reasonable and encompassing way of defining them other than the capacity for learning calculus.

The way we are testing right now it seems that memorization and articulation are the only things which matter - taught skills. I believe that we should instead be testing for intelligence and problem solving capabilities - something that IQ tests marginally measure.

That is not the interest of academia though. They are happy to validate the intellectual discrimination which makes them money as long as the SAT's say that the people originally intended to enter the hallowed halls are qualified to do so. Never mind the fact they basically paid their entire way through that test and have little intellect to speak of.

Far as costs - they are irrelevant. We destroyed our manufacturing decades ago. College is the new agoge, we need to go there to even have a chance at fruitful employment and while we attend, its might-makes-right.
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paid trawler
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09:33 AM on 11/19/2011
if you can't get somewhere on your own merit, then you don't belong there. i resent my tax dollars going to institutions who attempt to perpetuate the "old boys" network. let them fund themselves 100%.
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motoGpifupleez
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07:19 PM on 11/18/2011
Perhaps in exchange for the "let this one go", these institutions could be be required to affix to their sign a prominent addition that proudly proclaims that non-legacy's need not apply.

If it's "no big deal", shout it to the stars.
04:58 PM on 11/18/2011
Legacy admissions is just plain wrong. These colleges do not exist in a vacuum. They are an important part of American society and absolutely should be open to all on an equal basis.
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04:36 PM on 11/18/2011
this is just one more way of attempting to secure the class system and the "old boys network" in this country. the pseudo intellectuals, the privileged and the self appointed "elites" have ruined our country for the rest of us.
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04:00 PM on 11/18/2011
Cornell and Wiliams are "pretty much the same" as BU and GW.

I do not agree. All 4 are good schools, but they are not the same at all.
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biaknabato
03:46 PM on 11/18/2011
Daniel,
The argument that alumni donations (bribes ) help more poor people attend the Ivies is simply nonsense. Berkeley does not practice legacies yet 28% of the attendees are poor (eligible for a Pell grant ), In fact Birgeneau (Berkeley chancellor ) recently said that there are more poor undergrads attending Berkeley compared to the entire Ivy League. There are historically black public universities in the South where more than half of the undergrads are poor and they do not practice legacy preferences like the Ivies or black private schools like Morehouse or Spelman or Howard.Therefore this argument that you need legacy preferences to provide education for the poor is bogus. Of course the vast system of preferences in the Ivies and private schools is nothing but an attempt by the wealthy for an intergenerational transfer of wealth for their children. The definition of " merit " among legacy supporters is being the progeny of some lucky sperm and of one having the right pedigree .In other words Harvard is something sort of a kennel. What this legacy parents and students are really interested in is the exchange value of their diploma in the real world.
04:31 PM on 11/18/2011
Instead, Berkley admits more out of state students and charges them substantially more. Everyone is cutting corners to deal with budgetary issues.
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biaknabato
06:53 PM on 11/18/2011
Well they do it because of money just like increasing the # of international students in the campus. There is a difference however between a legacy preference and admitting an out of state preference in a public university. It is unlikely that a public university like Berkeley will admit an out of state applicant with lower grades and SAT scores over another applicant with higher grades and SAT scores which is the complete opposite in an Ivy school and happens all the time.
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JCarter49
03:27 PM on 11/18/2011
No. We should make nepotism and legacy admissions illegal. If we don't have enough money for higher education without alumni donations then why are we letting GE get away with paying no taxes on its $15 billion in profits? Why did we cut taxes on the wealthy during the Bush years and why did Obama extend these cuts? Why did Obama reduce the estate and gift taxes?

Legacy admissions and nepotism undermine our meritocracy. The cost is that the wrong people receive an education and then get jobs that they aren't qualified for by virtue of the fact that there's someone better who was passed over because they don't have the right degree or connections. McKinsey estimated that GDP is 9% lower as a result of sex discrimination. I'd have to guess that legacy admissions and nepotism hurt the economy just as much. That is a cost we cannot afford.
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biaknabato
12:00 AM on 11/19/2011
Of course legacy preferences costs our economy and there is plenty of evidence to prove that,
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biaknabato
03:26 PM on 11/18/2011
daniel,

Wrong arguments Daniel, your claim that there is a limited supply of poor people with low SAT scores who will apply to these schools is simply wrong. Eshpenshade and his colleagues made a study of the SAT data of all SAT testakers from the 90's. They found out that 14 % of SAT testakers from the lowest social class ( presumably with household incomes less than 40k) scored above 1400 in the old SAT (200-1600 scale) compared to 29 % of SAT testakers in the highest social class ( presumably coming from household incomes above 200k). Obviously there is a far,far greater number of poor people who take the SAT than the wealthiest Americans. What that means is simple Daniel, in terms of absolute numbers there are more poor people who have high SAT scores than wealthy Americans. What is even more important according to the Eshpenshade study is that a higher percentage of poor people have higher GPA's compared to the percentage among the wealthiest Americans. So getting rid of legacies does not mean they will be replaced necessarily by non-legacy wealthy applicants. Legacy preferences is a widespread and common practice in private universities and it has been like that for a long, long time, after all private colleges are nothing but a business.They are like your Mcdonald's and Starbucks around the corner and hence deserve no tax exemption from the IRS.

Leo cruz aka biaknabato
ako ay Pilipino (I am a Pilipino )
03:12 PM on 11/18/2011
What the author mentions in passing, but people seem to be ignoring, is that it is impossible to be "fair." There are simply not enough spots in the Ivy League combined to admit every senior with straight A's and high SAT scores. Admissions officers must look at a variety of other characteristics to decide who gets in and who doesn't. Amongst those strong candidates, there will be many who are legacy; so why shouldn't that be one method of picking who gets in?
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biaknabato
07:15 PM on 11/18/2011
Llife is unfair indeed, but Harvard is willing to create a spot for legacy admits who have inferior credentials compared to other applicants . A school like Harvard has a choice to whom it shall admit among the many applicants with high SAT scores and grades but it is perfectly willing to reject them because they are the sort of people not deemed to be useful to the survival of Harvard (money in other words whether Harvard knows it or not). Why would Harvard ever want to have that many top students like Berkeley? in the 2010 freshman class at Berkeley there were over 2200 students who had a score above 700 in the Math portion of the SAT while Harvard had only 1200. The consequence of having that many top students like Berkeley is unthinkable for Harvard or for any Ivy for that matter. That is like trying to ask them to commit financial and economic suicide in other words close down the school. Why? because it would mean getting rid of the vast system of preferences at Harvard which provides the revenue stream for its $ 27 billion endowment. I had covered this matter in my previous posts.
08:02 PM on 11/18/2011
Do you realize how much larger Berkeley (~25,000 undergraduates) is than Harvard (~7000 undergraduates)? Assuming about a quarter of each is freshman, that's over 7065 of Harvard's incoming class compared to 35% of Berkeley's.

Also, while I am sure you can find a handful of examples to the contrary, I doubt that the Harvard legacy admits are *that* much less qualified than the rest.
02:33 PM on 11/18/2011
I would really like not to care about legacies, except:
1. The argument is made that affirmative action is evil because the available slots don't go the best candidates. Aren't legacies affirmative action based on wealth?
2. It perpetuates a hereditary wealthy class who then go one to get hired by their parent's friends into overpaying jobs which they would not even have been considered for if they weren't the spawn of someone with wealth.
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QueenOfViolets
01:40 PM on 11/18/2011
These "private" schools argue that they do have a public improvement mission whenever they apply for federal grants. That's what they write on the grant application to impress the people who hand out the taxpayer money.

If that's not how they REALLY feel, then they should be required to give back all those federal grants, because they lied on their grant applications.

Those schools would go broke without that taxpayer money, however, because the alumni are not SO pleased by legacy admissions that they'd be willing to fill in that gap with their own private cash.
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JCarter49
03:29 PM on 11/18/2011
They're also tax exempt because they claim to be nonprofits. If they're really just a means of securing privileges for the children of the wealthy then they should lose that tax exempt status. In the past that's what happened to colleges that discriminated against minority students.
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QueenOfViolets
01:33 PM on 11/18/2011
These "private" schools get plenty of federal funding. If the trustees want their schools to be completely private, so that they can do as they see fit, then they can give any and all public money that they receive.