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A Response to David Brooks: Young Adults Are Moral... Just in a Different Way

Posted: 09/28/11 12:21 AM ET

If older generations paint morality in black and white, young people's palettes are disappointingly grey.

At least that's how David Brooks explains it in a recent New York Times editorial about the morality of emerging adults. Brooks discusses a new book entitled "Lost in Transition" and uses data from it to argue that young people have no compass with which to traverse moral terrain.

Brooks states that instead of being able to differentiate right from wrong, those in their late teens and early twenties are apt to be non-judgmental and less willing to condone or condemn, unlike older generations. "Who am I to judge?" seems to be the motto of this group, and for Brooks, this kind of relativism indicates moral decline.

Now, my primary job hazard is that I speak with young people about moral issues. I teach religion at the college-level, where questions of right and wrong are the basis of discussion. In other words, my job offers a prime viewing spot for how youngsters navigate their moral landscape.

From being immersed in this supposedly amoral melting pot, here is what I've found: Brooks is right that many college-aged individuals do not have a traditional framework for tackling morality. Many are not immersed in religious traditions; few have taken ethics or philosophy courses.

That said, they are far from impotent when it comes to discussing right and wrong. First, they are deeply curious. They want to know what it means to live a good life. They want to know how to better our world. So while they may not be immersed in traditional moral frameworks, young people still invest themselves in moral questions.

Moreover, when they engage ethical questions, they have a tendency to think in incredibly creative ways because their perspectives have not been tainted by outside sources like philosophy or religion. That grants them a certain kind of innovation, though it also means they need to engage more traditional sources if they want to communicate with other generations for whom they are authoritative.

Second, as Brooks points out, young people have a tendency to be less judgmental and more empathic towards perspectives that differ from their own. This is not a bad thing. A comment like, "Who am I to judge?" shows an awareness that people do not make choices in a vacuum. They realize that violent upbringings or peaceful ones, sound school systems or dysfunctional ones, friends, money and opportunity all influence individuals. That awareness makes young adults less judgmental, but it does not make them morally illiterate. Instead, they base their beliefs in different sources, in compassion, psychology and lived experience instead of abstract thought.

Of course, it's no surprise that young adults are crafting moral models differently than their elders when vitriol taints our moral climate. One need only look to recent words spoken by politicians or, dare I say it, op-ed writers to see that. Young people watch these leaders, and they're disheartened. They see themselves surrounded by a Venus flytrap of toxic judgmentalism that older adults feed as if they were Seymour Krelborn in Little Shop of Horrors. Meanwhile, young adults see this kind of morality failing them. They see judgment trumping cooperation and resulting economic instability. Now wonder they're searching for a better way forward.

Of course, it is a timeless truth that every older generation thinks the younger one inheriting their legacy will destroy it. Whether there is any truth in this, I cannot say, as it is impossible to measure morality the way you would a cup of sugar. But what is clear is that young adults refuse to live in the black-and-white world painted by older generations and they have good reason to because it has not served them well. Perhaps, then, their morality is less grey than it is pink, purple and aqua. And maybe a little color, at this stage, is a good thing.

 
 
 

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Stokes
07:50 AM on 09/30/2011
The mysteries of the Universe and the Spirit of A Godly love could never be accurately theorized by man , so why argue over the theoretic reasoning of man when each of us have the freedom to rely more on what we feel from deeply within. If those feelings are contrary to the good of mankind , then let the proper authoritie­­s handle it.””
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12:05 PM on 09/29/2011
I don't think the young ever have been black and white. I wasn't until I had a child. Now that I'm older, some things are black and white and some are gray.

Good article, thank you.
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Arion
11:02 AM on 09/29/2011
Right wing types are forever shouting 'moral relativism' (meaning no real standards), to the young. I think most of what they are upset about is that the young are more willing to engage in judicious reflection rather than reflex answers. The very idea that you either can or should 'think about' these sacred things bugs the hell out of some. Further, I think that the young have some very well defined cardinal virtues; but they aren't the same as Dad's. For example I think the young place equality high on the moral scale, while virginity doesn't quite poll as well as it used to.
Funny, I'm 75 and I really feel close to today's young people. I thought the boomers and the yuppies were too often dreary clods. This crop has some pizazz! I have hopes they may even turn out to be a new Woodstock generation.
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rtgmath
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12:03 AM on 09/29/2011
Hmmm. Older adults -- particularly conservative religious ones -- indict young people for sex outside of marriage, despising religion, exploring alternate beliefs, for having children out of wedlock, for having abortions, for using birth control, for being more comfortable with alternative sexualities, ....

On the other hand, the oh, so, moral adults have been on their best behavior, haven't they? With divorce rates among Christians at a much higher rate than among atheists, with the greed, the political activists who shout "Let him die!" about a man in a coma without health insurance, the hatred of older white Americans against blacks and latinos, the "Left Behind" novels gloating in the destruction of non-Christians after Christ's return, the wars in the Middle East, the work to deprive people of the vote, to reduce unemployment insurance, to take away Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, and a host of other social ills.

Oh yes. Compared to the sins of older Adults, young adults are "moral".

None of us are completely moral. But if I had to make a choice, I would trust the moral compass of the young more than the scarred and bitter morality of the old.

The indictments against young adults are mostly deflection. Too many want to exercise control for selfish purposes, but be seen as moral anyway.

Jesus said to the Pharisees that the sinners and the tax-collectors would get into heaven before they would. There is a truth in that for this generation as well.
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Bruce Cullom Sr
12:00 AM on 10/03/2011
** Older adults -- particular­ly conservati­ve religious ones -- indict young people for sex outside of marriage, despising religion, exploring alternate beliefs, for having children out of wedlock, for having abortions, for using birth control, for being more comfortabl­e with alternativ­e sexualitie­s **

But, "older adults" do not "indict young people" from a moral vacuum, but from a Biblical perspective. And since you quoted Scripture, Jesus condemns just about everything you say the young are acvocating. Just because Jesus took on the Pharisees, does not mean that He condoned immoral lifestyles by those whom the Pharisees dispised.

Jesus said marriage was to be between a "man and a woman."

Jesus also condemned: adultery and fornication [sex outside of marriage] which automatically condemns "children out of wedlock."

I am not certain about what you mean by "alternate beliefs," but Jesus Himself said: I AM the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

Regarding abortion, since Jesus is the giver of life, it would be impossible to make a moral case that Jesus would condone the killing of one of His little children (I find it irreconciable, that many Liberals who are anti-death penalty, are, at the same time, pro-abortion).

Granted, many in the older generation have had failures (although you far overstate your case).

Even in their failures, the older generation largely has a Biblical understanding of what is moral and what is not...which many of today's young people sadly lack.
11:16 PM on 09/28/2011
"But what is clear is that young adults refuse to live in the black-and-white world painted by older generations"

Say what? Anyone who spends five minutes listening to the debate on any important moral or political point will see that there is no black and white world. Forget the grand International or National stage. Go to a town budget meeting where competing groups want more or less money spent on the schools, the dump, public works, etc., and you will hear multiple moral perspectives. If young people are getting an "everything is black and white" vibe from the older generation, they are not paying attention.

By the way, Brooks' main point is that young people were not learning the mental furniture necessary to coherently choose and argue moral choices.
05:45 PM on 09/28/2011
Brooks once again, like virtually all self proclaimed "Conservative" pundits on the fragments they see of our culture, is devoid of any profound understanding of the subject he's lecturing us about. "In most times and in most places, the group was seen to be the essential moral unit. A shared religion defined rules and practices. Cultures structured people’s imaginations and imposed moral disciplines. But now more people are led to assume that the free-floating individual is the essential moral unit. Morality was once revealed, inherited and shared, but now it’s thought of as something that emerges in the privacy of your own heart."
Brooks ignores Buddhism, in which the dharma, or teaching, is one of the three arms of morality. But the ultimate goal in Buddhism in the understanding of cause and effect, not the hollow and often hypocritical posturing of the Abrahamic cults--which Brooks has written of as being superior--especially his. Buddhism requires each individual to reflect and be responsible not only for themselves but also for the world they touch. But morality begins not with the group, or dogma--it starts with the individual.
In an age of massive corporate sophistry; ethics being used as PR opts by vested interests and the total bastardization of good & bad; to assume that the young are stupid enough to adapt a system so obviously failing is beyond delusional. And to set one's self up as being the Arbiter is yet another foolery.
11:12 PM on 09/28/2011
I don't understand how you can say that the above quote ignores Buddhism. Buddhism itself is, in Brooks's words, "a shared religion" that defines "rules and practices" for a particular community (Buddhists) and imposes "moral disciplines." Buddhism is full of rules, practices, and disciplines--it is a metanarrative just as much as the Abrahamic cults are. Morality in Buddhism does begin with the group, because it is Buddhists themselves as a community that carry and pass on the tradition, teaching, and practices of Siddartha Guatama to other Buddhists practice and teach the tradition of Buddhism. Morality (in the Buddhist context or in any context) is necessarily communal and historically extended through a tradition of practice.
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05:22 PM on 09/28/2011
A variation on the theme if you don't mind!

I am not a prude and I tell my share of stories in private that might be considered inappropriate in a public setting. Unfortunately, I hear the F-word in public much too often. I understand that it is just a word, but I would still appreciate some public propriety so I do not have to hear it when I am in the mall with my wife or when moving through the grocery store isles.

I also think that there has been a wave of poor or limited parenting in a number of instances. I often see young children (pre-teens or early teens) sitting in an "R-rated" movie next to their parents. Invariably there is a scene in the movie that deals with life in the raw and I hope that the parents realize what they are doing by exposing their children to that experience.

Call me old fashioned, but I like a bit more civility in public places and spaces!

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phal4875
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07:29 PM on 09/28/2011
Dear OneManRoaring:

I could not agree more. I think it is likely that that word will become the equivalent of saying "darn" a hundred years from now.
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Dan Jighter
04:50 PM on 09/28/2011
Or consider abortion. They don't care what the pregnancy means in the life of the mother. For her education and career. Or for her family (many people who have abortions already have kids and are married). They just care about Responsibility. There is this abstract Responsibility to go through with every pregnancy some people think. That is just ridiculous. Responsibility is important, but not to the point of expecting perfection from everyone and messing up someone's life. You shouldn't go through a pregnancy, which involves a real woman and (without abortion) will produce a real baby, just to preserve some abstract notion of Responsibility or preserving Life.

How we choose to live together, morality as many would call it, should not be concerned with some abstract objective notion of The Good and The Bad and mindlessly condemning those who do Bad. It is about recognizing when something just ain't working and managing the situation to maximize the well-being of all involved. Or at least that is the sort of society I want to belong to.

About the religions and philosophers, many of them still seem stuck on discussing The Good and The Bad even though it is obvious there is no real The Good or The Bad or objective morality and it is clear how destructive this juvenile approach to "moral" issues is.

I don't care about The Good Life. But I would like a good life.
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Dan Jighter
07:44 AM on 09/29/2011
Um, moderators, what happened to the first part? Can you please restore it?

To summarize what I said, I agree with the author. The older generation's approach to morality has been mindless, dogmatic, black and white, and abstract, more of a focus on condemning people for violating an abstract list of rules than promoting any serious form of well-being. In fact, almost a disregard for well-being. For example with adultery, their approach has tended to be to condemn the adulterer and end the marriage. I don't endorse adultery by any means. But it does happen, I've known people whom its happened to, and I think it is often a sign of people's innate biological tendencies as well as a problem with the relationship. Why condemn the adulterer when you could be finding out what is wrong with the relationship and repair the marriage? You could try an open marriage or simply reconnecting. For some people this works extremely well. And to be blunt, I don't see the "morality" or valuing of marriage in destructive vengeance against a wrong doer that ends a marriage.
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07:48 AM on 09/29/2011
Dan-Sorry, not sure what happened with the first part, however, it is now restored.
Best
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Dan Jighter
04:50 PM on 09/28/2011
I'm 27 years old. I'm not a moral realists in the naive sense of thinking of morality as universal facts. But I strongly agree with what Danielle Tumminio is saying. I do think the judgmental, black and white morality of the older generation has been a failure. Their morality isn't about improving life for anyone, it's just about being moral in some abstract sense.

Consider how with adultery, they are so quick to condemn the adultery and end the marriage. This is ridiculous. Now I wouldn't want to cheat on my spouse or be cheated on, but the fact of the matter is a lot of people cheat. And there seems to be a genetic basis for whether or not you will cheat. When someone cheats, the first thing I think is what happened, obviously something is going on with this person and their marriage. I want to see the marriage be preserved in a way that fits both partners' needs. I know people who have cheated on their spouse. If your marriage has a problem and it can be corrected by reconnecting or an open marriage, I prefer that to divorce. But the older generation doesn't care about the marriage, they never did value marriage, they just care about condemning the adulterer and ending the marriage.
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01:50 PM on 09/28/2011
You're right that every generation thinks that the one following it is populated by selfish, oblivious and ungrateful people.

It's funny really.
12:34 PM on 09/28/2011
There has been a substantial moral decline; I see it in my previous schooling, and the way culture has been defined the past couple generations including this very own past decade--it's increasingly becoming rigid, and broken.
11:17 AM on 09/28/2011
Being 22, I'd like to add my perspective to the conversation.

I think both authors (Brooks & Tumminio), are seeing valid perspectives of the situation. But I think the truth of the matter, as it so often does, lies somewhere in-between the two points.

Agreed, I would say that most of my peers have a greater degree of moral relativity than preceding generations. They are aware of their own, relative, position. Further, most have not been brought up in a setting that strictly tied morality to religious teaching / dogma. However, this total relativism can take a step too far. Yes, a good dose of relativism is good. But, and of increasing importance in this globalized world, we must be able to engage in critical discussions of morality with the ability establish and maintain a prerogative.

While this dose of moral relativism is a wonderful aspect, if it is not honed and strengthened through thought and discussion, it becomes it's own worst enemy. And I have not seen where many young people, outside of a philosophy or ethics, or religion class, can discuss these issues in a critical fashion, in a space where they feel free to exposes their privately held ideas.

But they never have a place to practice, or refine, this moral judgment. They have no reason to reflect on it. They have no reason to think about morality. But as stated, THEY ARE CURIOUS. But it's not something that's stressed to young people.
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11:04 AM on 09/28/2011
Nothing new under the sun. Every generation's young people, usually feel the same way. The can’t help it because young people have the responsive mind. I read once that a PET Scan between an adult and a pre adult brain are dramatically different. It appears that a typical person doesn't develop a adult PET Scan till 24 years of age. In reality, we cannot really expect a person to truly "act like an adult" until the are close to be a quarter of a century old! This doesn't mean that they do not know right from wrong, it means that with emotional issues, they tend to handle issues idealistically rather than rationally. This responsive mind sees the world through rose colored glasses( as opposed to magnifying glasses) and saving the world. it’s not surprising that the responsive mind is highly susceptible to "cults" and charismatic/Utopian save the world movements. Arguing with older people over the importance of religion and authority is very common The Hippies of the 60's were a classic example of the responsive mind. The Nazi Party could not have risen without the strong infusion of young idealistic blood. The natural progression of the human mind is to mature into the rational (adult mind) that makes "black and white" decisions One’s mind can be "retarded" from maturing into the rational mind( many remain stuck there as older people), by aligning one's self with those philosophies promoting pragmatism, idealism and moral relativism.
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Dan Jighter
05:01 PM on 09/28/2011
"This doesn't mean that they do not know right from wrong, it means that with emotional issues, they tend to handle issues idealistic­ally rather than rationally­."

Hold on a second there. You mean the older generation's approach of using morality to condemn and punish people even if it made life on earth worse is rational? Strikes me as more of a juvenile emotional response. Far too mindless to be called rational.

Also, I frowned upon the "save the world" types as a teen and young adult. Well before 24 I frowned upon such things.

It isn't about idealism. I don't want the world saved. But I would like it run in a way that did improve life for people and wasn't so mindless and irrational.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
04:43 PM on 09/30/2011
Hi Dan,

Your last statement basically supports my position about the responsive mind; it responds to rmyional issues and is driven more by emotion than "reason". If you look back on high school, you might remember all the clubs snd associations that the responsive mind is attracted to. The motivation behind virtually all of them was some sort of " save the world" , "make the world a better place" type thing. It's when that individual matures, then s/he realizes that "saving the world" or "making the world a better place" has to start with the idealistic person. When one reaches maturity they then realize that it's not easy being a NFL qb or a good parent or President of the United States. The responsive mind is easily beguiled because it's more inclined to responding emotionally rather than seeing the whole picture. Thecrespondive mind is easy prey for cults, gangs, " following the crowd" and doing "dumb stuff" because is mind tells him/her that they are wrong and he/she is right. This is why you "frowned" ( and no doubt argued over and over)on certain things...rather than thinking about
solutions to life's various issues.
01:11 AM on 09/29/2011
Your comments are based on folk psychology more than actual psychology. Yes, it's true that the frontal cortex is the last part of the brain to develop (finishing around the age of 24, give or take). But it isn't as severe a difference as you make it out to be.

On top of that, you assertion that the "natural progression of the human mind is to mature into the rational" mind is simply incorrect. Humans have the capacity for reason, but we are not, by nature, reasonable beings. We are, by nature, survivalists. Everyone thinks emotionally and intuitively first and rationally second. We operate via heuristics (best guesses), not logic.

-Sources: Cognitive, Social and Developmental Psychology
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
03:56 PM on 09/30/2011
Hi Mr. Ocampo,

The reason why kids are notvtried as adults is the obervstion that their minds aren't "mature" enough to have "reasoned" out the reprevussions of their actions. Now while society gives them a break, I agree with the Bible that when one plans to take another's life ( plot) they do know right from wrong. The idea behind the rational mind( mature) is that one is to think about the sensory information they are being exposed to then " think" about a plan. I would say that animals follow your line of thinking as more reactionary creature because theyvreallybdon't have thentimevor capacity to "think" in their environment. Man doesn't live by instincts so thinking is his way of surviving. A teenager's or Pre adult( rational mind) is more emotional (reactionary) than a normal adult mind. It is what it is.
09:37 AM on 09/28/2011
I disagree with Danielle that young people "have not been tainted by outside sources like philosophy or religion." They are, like most people, often products of their culture, which is rife with implicit philosophies and religions. Young people, like most people in the West, are ultimately emotivists. And it is out of this philosophical tradition that they speak and act, whether they are aware of it or not.

Ultimately, there is no such thing as speaking and acting divorced from some kind of "philsophical" tradition or world-view. In this sense, commenter @JosephSchmoe below does not seem to understand that, ultimately, there is no such thing as "objective" speech. Perhaps if he DID spend some time at Yale he might know that.
10:16 AM on 09/28/2011
Young Old Man 09/28/2011 09:37am appears to suggest that human expression of perspective, is by definition, subjective speech and not objective speech, because most, if not all, of the concepts expressed appear to be obtained from external sources via the subjective lens of human perception rather than from an internal, intrinsic, objectively unique source.

However, perhaps objectivity can be reasonably suggested to be introduced by, and to refer to, a potentially unique combination of obtained concepts that appears capable of transpiring within the perspective of each individual.

I welcome your thoughts.
11:49 AM on 09/28/2011
Interesting thoughts. In the interest of dialogue within a particular situation, the partners involved could develop their own ends and means by which to approach the dialogue, but this in no means develops a metanarrative for all morality. It is always situational. Even a notion of "reasonably suggested" implies an understanding of "reason" and "reasonableness" that is dependent on particular narratives and traditions ("philosophies" and "religions") that are not "objective." Furthermore, even a "unique combination of obtained concepts" has a history of viewpoints lying behind it that are drawn from different perspectives--the question here would be, "which perspectives hold more weight for a finalized 'combination' of them? How does one decide this? By what 'reasoning' and in light of what historical perspectives?" There is no way to avoid the notion that inquiry and reasoning itself is constituted by tradition.
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06:56 AM on 09/28/2011
Danielle and david are both wrong.
No one can effectively or even honestly lump any group of people together and pretend to speak for them, let alone speak objectively, without simply demonstrating their own deeply-held beliefs and prejudices.
They're both guilty of painting with broad brushes, let alone numerous other logical fallacies.

I sure am glad I didn't waste any college tuition funds on my children at Yale.