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Transparency, Torture and Rats: The 9/11 Hearings Resume

Posted: 10/14/2012 9:24 pm

Starting Monday, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four alleged September 11 co-conspirators are scheduled to appear in a Guantanamo Bay courtroom for hearings on a slew of key questions related to their upcoming trial -- again. Among the issues scheduled for argument are whether the public has a right to know what happened to the men over years in secret CIA "black sites" and whether the U.S. Constitution applies at Guantanamo Bay.

But before the legal arguments get underway, we first need to find out if the government managed to exterminate the rats and mold that had infested the Gitmo defense counsels' office. The problem was reportedly so bad that the office was deemed unsafe by the base naval hospital after members of KSM's legal team were rushed to the hospital emergency room for respiratory problems. According to one lawyer's letter filed with the court, "there were at least six dead large rats found in the ceilings of these spaces. When the workers came to remove the dead rats from the overhead ceiling areas, it is reported to me that rat feces dropped out of the ceiling." That was last year. The problem apparently still hadn't been solved as of late last month.

On Thursday, military Judge James L. Pohl denied defense lawyers' request to delay next week's hearings, based on "professional assessments as to the safety" of the defense counsel office. The court hasn't made publicly available the defense lawyers' views on the matter, contained in a separate court filing.

The last time this set of hearings was scheduled, back in August, a cut cable line caused an internet outage. Then Hurricane Isaac blew in.

These are the "reformed" military commissions that Brigadier Gen. Mark Martins, the Gitmo Chief Prosecutor, has promised will be fair, transparent and utterly professional.

So far, there's plenty of disagreement on those points. Transparency will be a big issue this week, if the hearing goes forward. Not only the detainees' defense lawyers but 14 news organizations and the ACLU are expected to argue that the government can't continue to muzzle the defendants by claiming all statements about their treatment in U.S. custody are classified. That's especially important in a death penalty case, where the prisoners' treatment in custody could be considered "mitigating evidence" -- evidence that weighs against their being executed.

Prosecutors also want to keep secret information that's not classified but, the government says, would nonetheless be "detrimental to the public interest" if released. The prosecutors have also secretly asked the judge for other rulings, but the documents filed with the court aren't being made publicly available, so it's not clear what the government is requesting.

The other critical question to be argued is whether the U.S. Constitution even applies at Guantanamo Bay. You would think that question would have been resolved in the nearly 11 years since President George W. Bush first created the military commissions. (This is their third incarnation.) But you'd be wrong. No court has ever ruled definitively whether and to what extent the U.S. Constitution applies at Gitmo, other than to say that the detainees there can't be denied the Constitutional right to habeas corpus: that is, the right to challenge their detention in a U.S. federal court.

Although Bush administration lawyers five years ago argued the Constitution did not apply, prosecutors now don't say one way or another. They insist the judge just shouldn't decide. The defense lawyers claim that's fundamentally unfair: if they don't know what legal standards apply, they can't possibly provide a meaningful legal defense for their clients. In their view, the defendants should be entitled to full Constitutional rights, following the Supreme Court's 2008 reasoning in Boumediene v. Bush, the case that established Guantanamo detainees' habeas rights.

This week, we may finally get some answers to these questions. Or not. Set aside the rats, the mold, the hurricane and the internet outages, and consider that it's taken 11 years just to get to the pre-trial hearing stage in this case. It's probably best not to expect too much.

 

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Starting Monday, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four alleged September 11 co-conspirators are scheduled to appear in a Guantanamo Bay courtroom for hearings on a slew of key questions related to their...
Starting Monday, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four alleged September 11 co-conspirators are scheduled to appear in a Guantanamo Bay courtroom for hearings on a slew of key questions related to their...
 
 
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Greg Fike
world peace not new world order
07:00 PM on 10/15/2012
Rats are easy to get rid of terrorist not so much.
06:06 PM on 10/15/2012
The US Constitution and the Geneva convention do not APPLY to these animals. They are in a defined territory as terrorists that wear no uniforms adhere to no rules of engagement except perhaps of beheading civilians and are responsible for the atrocity of 9/11. Fair and Just? Place the five "alleged" captives in a casino slated for demolition then collapse the structure on them as 3000 people suffered a similar fate. A speedy military trial and execution is too humane for these people. Anyone that has empathy for these people need their head examined.
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antonioarganda
Force always attracts men of low morality.
05:07 PM on 10/15/2012
Meanwhile, today we note the thirty-second anniversary of the first air hijack ever. Palestinians? Cubans? Who?
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/15-10-2012/122458-usa_ussr_brazinskas-0/
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Readbetweentheelevens
You can't turn the wind so turn the sail.
04:53 PM on 10/15/2012
Didn't Obama shut Gitmo down?
03:11 PM on 10/15/2012
The member countries who signed the treaty at Geneva conventions, need to get together and bring Guantanamo up on charges because of all the violations.
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Finkelstein Fan
03:07 PM on 10/15/2012
How many times did they waterboard (and God knows what else) this guy before he admitted to EVERY terrorist attack ever?
Funny how, even up to Osama's (supposed) death, the FBI still hadn't added the 9/11 attacks to his 'most wanted' rap sheet. Why? Because there was NO EVIDENCE!! Oh, except for the magic passport that fluttered down undamaged from the top of the WTC's and the other 'convenient' evidence they found (like Atta's magic suitcase full of incriminating documents).
In fact, the Taliban said "show us the evidence and we'll hand Osama over". Bush said "Evidence, we don't need no stinking evidence.... Boom!"
So much for the rule of law in the 'free world'.
02:55 PM on 10/15/2012
As far as the rights of “Enemy Combatants” as USA so amazingly and trickily call these prisoners, I want to share a strange experience, which shows how deep this “Shoot first cowboy mindset" has spread.

Al Qaeda expert and CNN national security analyst Peter L. Bergen visited Denmark in connection with the Danish publication of his recent book Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for Bin Laden − From 9/11 to Abbottabad (Crown Publishing, 2012). The title gives an account of the operation, which culminated dramatically on 1 May 2012, when American elite troops shot and killed Bin Laden in his Abbottabad home in Pakistan.

In the question and answer session, I asked Mr. Bergen a simple question, at least from my perspective. I asked him; “Since by all accounts, Osama was unarmed, why did the Navy Seals not capture him alive instead of shooting and killing him at point black”.
I was expecting a sober and analytical answer but instead, he cynically replied;
“ Osama killed 3000 innocent people, thus it was OK to shoot him on site”.
I was not allowed to ask a following question by the world famous editor Flemming Rose of Jyllands-Posten. The moral of the story is:
“No human rights for those, USA considers criminal, dangerous enemy and terrorist. Better punish and even kill them without trial, court case or proper judicial procedure”.
If this is not crime against humanity, I do not know, what is?
lastpost
see biography
07:28 AM on 10/15/2012
“whether the public has a right to know what happened”
in an embryonic police state.

“When the workers came to remove the dead rats from the overhead ceiling areas”
were they able to replace the gnawed-though wiring of the hidden microphones, at the same time?

“fair, transparent and utterly professional.”
Given that the hearings are being held in the torture-central surroundings of a rogue state.

“Transparency will be a big issue”
Can’t see the works for the tricks.

“evidence that weighs against their being executed.”
For whose benefit is the pantomime being presented? Couldn’t each defendant simply have an accident, running with scissors?

“prosecutors have also secretly asked the judge for other rulings”
Land of the free(dom from information).

“military commissions”
USSA state trials?

“detainees there can't be denied the Constitutional right to habeas corpus”
As they were illegally kidnapped, the process seems to have started as it intends to continue.

“what legal standards apply”
Maybe they’re based on the Mitt, make it up as you go along, philosophy.

“It's probably best not to expect too much.”
From empires, in their death throes.
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uneeda
Make Peace in Our Time
01:40 PM on 10/15/2012
pretty much covers it
07:28 AM on 10/15/2012
The Constitution is the basis for our government. If it does not apply, then under what authority are these men being held. The establishment of Gitmo has completed the undermining of our Democracy. It is not the only blow against it obviously, preemptive war, spying and monitoring US civilians, the list goes on. Gitmo is the most visible centerpiece in the negating the principals of freedom and justice in the US. In this modern day "Devil's Island", the basic principals and techniques are being developed and tested to deal with political crimes as well as terrorism. The Constitution maintains that the principles of liberty and justice are inalienable. The Government has made a point of adding the small print to the document that states "unless it is in the States interest" . At this point, even if they were to attempt a fair hearing and after the trial closed Gitmo, the damage has been done. The precedent has been set. They have already used these methods against Bradley Manning. The only remaining test is ;present a civilian before a tribunal.
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jimdcb911
All gave some, some gave all.
09:46 AM on 10/15/2012
Our constitution does not apply to these terroists nor does the Geneva Convention.
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Finkelstein Fan
03:11 PM on 10/15/2012
Well I'm sure the multitude of enemies the US has now created around the world will be quite happy to claim the same thing about the Geneva Convention NOT applying to captured US servicemen and women.
Oh the horror when that happens. How dare they! The savages!
Of course, the US is going to have very little comeback when that happens now is it.
04:19 PM on 10/15/2012
How did you find out, that they were terrorists without any evidence being presented in an open court? And if the US constitution and the Geneva Convention, does not apply to these alleged suspects, under what laws are they being held and tried?
And why are the suspects being held in Guantanamo, Cuba, a country the US accuses of being a police state, where the rule of law does not apply?
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Red Herring
Retired Miner, living in third world
05:39 AM on 10/15/2012
This stinks. These guys may or may not be guilty, but that is not the issue here. Because they were detained, tortured and held virtually incognito for so many years the US Government can't afford to have them pronounced innocent now and at this late date. So me thinks given the reluctance of the government to have a fair and open trial with all of the facts of the case aired in public, that they are indeed innocent of anything except being caught up in an indiscriminate dragnet, evidence fabricated against them, tortured into signing bogus confessions and now the government wants to hide all of this from their public.
The real trial here should be for the guys who made this all happen in the first place, hid it with legal mumbo jumbo and now are trying to hide it one more time behind a smoke screen of national security. Better still call it what it really is, an effort to hide the embarrassment it would cause to many individuals and the criminal acts perpetrated by them over all of these years.
These trials are just one more black mark against the USA and it's double standards when it comes to human rights and international law. It is a Rogue Country and these fake trials prove it.
11:14 PM on 10/14/2012
This case has the potential to be world shaking and awakening. Under the label of "transparency" are the truths behind 9/11 and this is what this case is really about. There is no way that the U.S. intelligence agencies can allow anything that even smells like "transparency" to whiff across the noses of the public and press. The agencies need a scapegoat but even more they need no one to know anything about their choice of miscreants. All damage control resources are being made available for this attempt to rent the veil of the holy of holies. The legal contortions and distortions surrounding this case are incredible and we are seeing practices that have never been used before and I hope never again. If the press would only jump on this case en masse then we could have a glimmer of hope for Truth to have a moment of glory. Its had so many chances for glory only to be denied by the lack of moral courage and lack of steadfastness of the media and press to stick with an important issue through to its resolution. The sad fact of matters is that this case is huge but Hollywood, political infighting and man bites dog gets top billing day after day. Its no wonder the masses are so ignorant regarding real news.