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The Latest Skirmish in Afghanistan: Hate to Say We Told You So

Posted: 01/08/12 09:14 PM ET

The latest dust-up between the U.S. government and Afghan president Hamid Karzai involves the treatment of some 3000 prisoners the U.S. is holding in Afghanistan. The lack of due process for detainees at Bagram has been a problem since the prison opened, and was documented most recently in a report Human Rights First released last May. Congress actually attempted to address the problem in its latest defense authorization bill, which said the U.S. should provide detainees in Afghanistan with defense lawyers and neutral military judges to hear their cases. President Obama, however, in a statement he signed on New Year's Eve, signaled that he plans to ignore that.

The United States' failure to accord suspects imprisoned by our military in another country the right to defend themselves is now coming back to bite us. Although this isn't the first time Karzai has complained about U.S. actions, in part for his own political reasons, the U.S. has given him plenty of material to support his complaints.

In the past, it's been the night raids by U.S. and NATO forces that have enraged the Afghans, who find it an affront to have foreign soldiers raiding their homes in the middle of the night based on secret claims by unnamed informants.

Now, it's the fact that some 3000 Afghan men (and several dozen from other countries) are being imprisoned based largely on secret evidence that U.S. forces admit wouldn't hold up in a real court of law.

According to the Associated Press:

Members of the Afghan investigation said U.S. officials told them that many of those militant suspects held at the U.S.-run portion of the prison outside Bagram Air Base north of Kabul were taken based on intelligence that cannot be used in Afghan courts.

Gul Rahman Qazi, who led the Afghan investigation, said: "Detainees interviewed during two visits by the investigators complained of freezing cold, humiliating strip searches and being deprived of light, according to Gul Rahman Qazi, who led the investigation ordered by Karzai."

These complaints echo those my colleague, Gabor Rona, Human Rights First's International Legal Director, and I heard when we interviewed former detainees in Kabul last year. And although we documented them in a 42-page report and have discussed our findings extensively with U.S. government officials, the U.S. embassy spokesman acted as if this was the first time they'd heard such claims:

"American officials only received the commission's report after its press briefing," said the U.S. embassy spokesman, adding that the U.S. investigates all allegations of prisoner abuse. "We will certainly take seriously the report and study it," he said. He added that the U.S. is committed to working with the Afghan government on a joint plan to turn over detainees "in a responsible manner."

Responsibility begins with due process.

As we wrote in our report in May, based on our observations of the hearings given to detainees at the U.S.-run detention facility at Bagram: "the current system of administrative hearings provided by the U.S. military fails to provide detainees with an adequate opportunity to defend themselves against charges that they are collaborating with insurgents and present a threat to U.S. forces."

As a result, the U.S. hearings "fall short of minimum standards of due process required by international law."

For President Karzai, that's an argument that the U.S. should immediately turn the thousands of detainees it's holding over to the government of Afghanistan. But that would do little to solve the problem. The United Nations reported in October that Afghanistan's intelligence service systematically tortures detainees during interrogations. The U.S. government cannot hand prisoners over to the Afghans if they're likely to be tortured, according to its obligations under international law. And unfortunately, as we also noted in our report, the Afghan justice system, although improving with the growing introduction of defense lawyers, is still hardly a model of due process.

Still, unlike the United States, at least Afghan law does not permit detention without criminal charge, trial and conviction. The United States hasn't exactly proven itself the best model for the Afghan justice system.

Restoring U.S. credibility is going to be key to our ability to withdraw from Afghanistan without it becoming a future threat to U.S. national security. The U.S. government can't credibly insist that the Afghans improve their justice system and treatment of detainees if the U.S. military doesn't first get its own detention house in order.

Whether for the sake of international law, U.S. credibility, or merely to improve relations with the Karzai government, upon which U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan depends, the U.S. military needs to start providing real justice to the thousands of prisoners in its custody.

 

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The latest dust-up between the U.S. government and Afghan president Hamid Karzai involves the treatment of some 3000 prisoners the U.S. is holding in Afghanistan. The lack of due process for detainees...
The latest dust-up between the U.S. government and Afghan president Hamid Karzai involves the treatment of some 3000 prisoners the U.S. is holding in Afghanistan. The lack of due process for detainees...
 
 
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02:30 PM on 01/10/2012
Bring ALL of the troops home. Start protecting the US. Let other countries destroy themselves if they see it fit.
02:01 PM on 01/10/2012
Soon America and its "coalition partners" will bid Afghanistan adieu. The Afghans can then resume their Bronze Age tribalism unfettered by the dictates of foreigners.
01:06 PM on 01/10/2012
This part & parcel of Greater Israel Agenda (to re-establish Jewish Soloman Kingdom on Arab lands) by Zionists Jews on the back of USA & Europe government (as in the past, USSR & UK), who wants to invade, occupy, kill & demolish any Muslim country or destroy any flicker of Jihad against (Zionist Apartheid) State of Israel (on occupied Palestinian lands). Democracy, Freedom & Women Rights is a deception (which Israel holds Phd) of smoke & mirrors. However almost all events are foretold by Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of God be upon him), in the Signs of End of Times (Qiyamah) http://www.muslimaccess.com/ebooks/signs_of_qiyamah.asp http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/qiyaam2.html
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Nosybear
Liar, damned liar and statistician
09:57 AM on 01/10/2012
Dang, and we're incensed when Iran takes one of our citizens, gives him a secret trial, extracts a confession by torture and hands down a death sentence. If we're willing to give up the rule of law in exchange for a bit of security, we shouldn't be surprised or incensed when other countries do. In fact, I'm actually quite pleased that Afghanistan didn't choose to violate its legal principles to deal with these detainees, I just hope they come up with a solution. And that we actually begin to remember the principles our legal system was founded on.
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Robert Frank
My last name is FRANK so thats what I am..
08:27 AM on 01/10/2012
every day these things go on we lose what little real credibility we have and become more like the people we are arrogant enough to say we are not like
06:34 AM on 01/10/2012
As a recent member of this 'HuffPuff' community I would like to say I find the articles on the whole stimulating..& truthfully the debates from commenters equally so, if not at times more enthralling than the articles themselves.
So many opinions..mostly from people willing to accept views of others...some not so.Interesting to see how we are all shaped by our experiences, situations, circumstances, what we read..etc..combination of many factors. I am also fascinated by the amazing amount of labels available the responders attach to other responders.
In response to this article, the final sentence,I say yes!
03:36 AM on 01/10/2012
Has any Afghan regime ever maintained a transparent rule-of-law regarding treatment of its own prisoners? No, and they still do not. US credibility is completely unimportant compared to the credibility of the domestic regime, who has far more prisoners in custody than the Americans do.

US forces may cut corners, and not all evidence might stand up in a civilian court, but Karzai and his cronies use internal Afghan law to incarcerate or execute their own personal enemies. That is far worse.
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Weareonenow
Your Reality is a function of your mental software
06:04 AM on 01/10/2012
Soon your sons and daughters will be the recipients of the treatment you support for "others"

Its attitudes such as yours that has allowed most freedoms in the USA to be taken away such as Magna Carta and Habeaus Corpus.

Do unto others as you would like done unto you!
07:35 AM on 01/10/2012
I think you may have missed the point of my post, Weareonenow. If you read it again carefully you'll see I am not supporting or condoning anything of the sort. I am not saying Americans have no responsibility to act lawfully, but merely that Afghan authorities have that very same responsibility.

Being that I am not American at all, my attitude (which you completely misinterpret) probably plays very little role in Americans losing their freedoms. Thanks so much for including me amongst that great people by vaguely threatening my descendants and suggesting I have a bigoted attitude to "others", though. It is always nice to be included.

Perhaps you should check the functioning of your own mental software before you start that next lecture tour :D
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Robert Frank
My last name is FRANK so thats what I am..
08:28 AM on 01/10/2012
so because they are worse that makes it okay to do the same thing?
03:13 AM on 01/11/2012
Did I say that? No, and I do not believe it either. I merely point out that there is a much more serious problem with the rule of law in Afghanistan that is largely being ignored.

Of course US forces should always act completely within both the law, and their own internal regulations. But the actions of the Karzai regime also reflect on the western allies, and this is where the worst rights abuses are occurring. That is all I meant.
03:31 AM on 01/10/2012
I thought prisoners of war were detained until the war was over, then released. They are not criminals, so the concept of due process is not applicable. What am I missing here?
07:32 AM on 01/10/2012
Nothing. You're exactly right.
02:13 PM on 01/10/2012
I doubt very much that any member of Ms. Eviatar's family or circle of friends are in the military.
03:46 PM on 01/10/2012
I would be shocked... SHOCKED... if she even knew a member of the military.
10:56 PM on 01/09/2012
We went into Afghanistan because the de facto government at that time - the Taliban - was sheltering al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. Or, if not actually sheltering, at least Osama bin Laden was living there. So, we kicked the Taliban out with the aid of Rashid Dostum. We might have installed Dostum, who deserved it and had a chance at keeping order, instead of Karzai - but Dostum wouldn't have been docile enough, so the media echoed with reports that he'd been cruel to his prisoners. Terrible thing, but now we're being cruel to OUR prisoners. And our puppet is now making overtures to - guess who? - the Taliban.
Seems to me, we got exactly what we deserved - and all this time, no doubt, bin Laden was laughing at us from his digs in Pakistan. If we want to salvage any face from this, it behooves us to start playing by the rules. The other hasn't worked at all.
07:34 AM on 01/10/2012
There are no "rules" in Afghanistan other than it gets very very cold and very very hot.
10:54 PM on 01/09/2012
Let them be and bring our boys home. We are making more enemies than friends there.
10:48 PM on 01/09/2012
The idea NJ Gov. Chris Christie, if that in itself isn't an alias, takes pride in his state's criminal notoriety, hurling threats like he was a mafia mobster, makes sense as he tries anemically (yuk) to defend candidate Romney's record as a businessman. Consider how Bain Capital under Romney and the mafia both infiltrate legitimate enterprises, take them over, suck out the cash and demolish the jobs of innocent people. Christie even accused the President of dividing America, supposedly supporting the Occupy movement. Christie like Romney provides no documentation for any of his defamatory claims. The fact is, it's the GOP candidates dividing America, pretending to defend the right of all Americans to succeed, while only allowing it vis-a-vis legislation and other manipulative devices, like tax loopholes, to the upper crust of the population. The same people who fund their campaigns to attain and retain public office. For the rest of us, "fugedaboutit."
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Straggler
I'm a Proud Fire Bagger!
10:22 PM on 01/09/2012
The Taliban and the people of Afghanistan were not at war with the United States until AFTER we invaded their country.
07:35 AM on 01/10/2012
Yes they were and that's the problem. They were at war with us and we refused to admit it. Thank Clinton for that.
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Robert Frank
My last name is FRANK so thats what I am..
08:30 AM on 01/10/2012
somewhere along the lines many people here seem to have forgotten that and now buy into the official line that the Taliban is our enemy and we must destroy them
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VKoval
veteran of vietnam vacation '07
09:16 PM on 01/09/2012
the afgans are our enemies, as long as american men and women are in uniform, in country, they will be treated as such.
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lpharless2000
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08:31 PM on 01/09/2012
The author, Daphne Eviatar, flatly states that the U.S. hearings for Afghan detainees (individuals accused of collaborating with insurgents and therefore present a threat to U.S. forces), "fall short of minimum standards of due process required by international law."
I'm sure Ms Eviatar is a very learned person. However on the subject of International law, she is mistaken. There is no International law because there is no 'One World Government' to establish or enforce International law.
Due process is that civil right once afforded the citizens of The United States of America. A right taken from us, not by a conquering, tyrannical, dictatorial, war mongering, invading foreign army, but by our own government, and the few who realized it hardly whimpered.
It boggles the mind to think there are those among us, that sit quietly idle as the rights of American citizens are systematically stripped away, that would afford greater rights than our own to possible/probable enemy combatants.
Oh yes, also, I'm really sorry that their jail cells are "really cold."
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Vincent Van Der Hyde
The truth will set you free.
09:15 PM on 01/09/2012
hmmmm....
if there 'is no international law' one might wonder why all the major laws schools teach so many courses in it.
06:37 PM on 01/09/2012
This debate is like pi----g into the wind. The US house is in order as far as the war mongers, profiteers, Neocons, MIC is concerned: It is all legal because we say it is and we do it. Not one single country has taken a real stand against the US and it blatant violation of human rights, international law regarding war crimes, and the sovereignty of other countries. The US is not about to change its behavior or conduct as it has become a total fascist police state oligarchy. Giltmo is a perfect example. It is not being close. They have no legal rights and are going to be held until they die of old age or under torture. The US has no sense of shame, guilt and no sense of accountability for criminal conduct past and present.
07:04 PM on 01/09/2012
Assuming that you are American, your seditious take on your own country without knowing all the facts disgusts me. There's no doubt in my mind that you never served, that you actually believe some kumbayah utopia is obtainable, human nature be damned, and that you are convinced that you are morally and intellectually superior to most of us. There are liberals. There are leftists. Then there is you.....who, despite reaping the rewards of the exceptionalism America , condemns the way that exceptionalism was achieved.
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flaconoire
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08:16 PM on 01/09/2012
I am another one who has the same seditious view of this country, as the commenter to whom you replied. And no, I never served either. I am not a mercenary for the corporate crooks who hides themselves behind a flag
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Over The Hill
Eyes on the future, head up my...
12:28 AM on 01/10/2012
American exceptiona­lism. Reminds me of expressions like "white man's burden" and "manifest destiny", words people make up out of thin air to justify their brutality and exploitation.
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gungavin
Nevah hoppen, G.I.!
10:42 PM on 01/09/2012
Oh yeah, babe. You called it, exactly!