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The Complexity of a Fantastic Four

Posted: 01/19/12 12:27 PM ET

During a single year of the not-great Harding presidency, four great cartoonists came into the world.

Two of those 1922-born men died recently -- "The Family Circus" creator Bil Keane in November and the Joker creator (some say co-creator) Jerry Robinson in December. "Peanuts" legend Charles M. Schulz passed away in 2000, and "Spider-Man" superstar Stan Lee is still very much with us.

I had the privilege of meeting and interviewing this quartet many times during the years I covered newspaper syndication for Editor & Publisher magazine. One thing that sticks in my mind is that all four exemplify how entertainment celebrities can be more well-rounded than their public persona might indicate. People often view the famous through a certain lens: this actor plays bad guys (even though he can also handle heroic roles), and that author writes mass-market fluff (even though she can also write serious fiction).

For instance, the mythos surrounding Schulz was that of a very nice, insecure, mild-mannered man -- all true! But there was also a confident and competitive side to the "Peanuts" creator, as this anecdote illustrates:

In 1995, the people behind "Garfield" announced that Jim Davis' cat comic might have surpassed "Peanuts" in worldwide sales. I checked with the "Peanuts" camp, and it turned out Snoopy and friends still had an edge: 2,595 newspapers to 2,547. So I wrote a story to that effect, and thought the matter ended there. But several months later, Schulz tapped me on the shoulder at a meeting.

"How are you, David?" he asked in his congenial way.

"I'm fine, Mr. Schulz."

Then his voice became less congenial. "You know 'Garfield' never had more newspapers, don't you?"

"I wasn't sure," I replied nervously. "That's why I checked with your syndicate."

"Are you sure now?" he continued, with a stern expression that contained a hint of a smile.

"I guess I am."

Ouch.

That's one of the anecdotes in my recently completed memoir Comic (and Column) Confessional. Given that I usually write for "HuffPost Books" rather than "HuffPost Entertainment," I thought I should mention a book!

The partly shy Schulz was also a good dancer. I watched him move gracefully around a hotel ballroom with several of his female peers at a National Cartoonists Society (NCS) gathering in San Antonio in 1999 -- just months before the "Peanuts" creator was slammed with health problems.

Another example of how entertainment notables can be more complex than they seem: Bil Keane's "The Family Circus" humor comic was warm and sentimental, so its creator was also warm and sentimental -- right? Well, there was that side to Bil, but he also displayed a sarcastic wit when on a speaking podium.

While talking about a profit-minded syndicate exec, for instance, the Arizona-based Keane quipped: "He came out to visit us one day, and we said 'our house is your house.' So he sold it!"

And at the 1992 NCS meeting in Washington, D.C., Bil joked that when attendees had the chance to meet (the first) President Bush, he filled out a form that included the boilerplate question about whether he advocated the overthrow of the U.S. government by force or violence. "I put down violence," deadpanned Keane.

Yes, Keane and Schulz did not fit into a narrow box -- and the same could be said of Jerry Robinson.

Robinson was best known for the Joker arch-villain who arrived in Batman comic books in 1940 and later came to vivid life on movie screens via Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger. Jerry also gave Batman's sidekick the name Robin (after the Robin Hood stories Robinson loved as a kid, not after his own last name).

But Jerry also became a newspaper cartoonist, authored a number of books, and founded a syndicate that distributed the work of cartoonists from all over the world. Plus Jerry was as much a fan of cartoons as cartoon lovers were fans of him. I remember "walking in Memphis" with Robinson (during a 1991 editorial cartoonists convention) when we stumbled on a comics store. I've never seen anyone rifle through cartoon-related merchandise with more enthusiasm!

As for the also enthusiastic Stan Lee, he is more than the co-creator of "Spider-Man" for comic books. He subsequently brought that character to newspapers (with a daily/Sunday strip) -- and then came the Spidey movies and Broadway musical. Lee also co-created iconic characters such as Iron Man, the X-Men, the Incredible Hulk, and the Fantastic Four; served as a Marvel Comics executive; and has even had cameos in various movies starring his superhero characters. The friendly, outgoing Lee is a screen natural.

But perhaps his biggest accomplishment was making Spider-Man (aka Peter Parker) an everyman superhero rather than an almost god-like one. He's "treated like a real human being," Lee told me in 1983. "I tried to give him the problems any normal guy would have."

So Spider-Man/Parker was and is more complex than one would expect -- like those four famous cartoonists born in 1922. You may have your own examples of entertainment figures (including authors) who can't be defined in a one-track way.

 
 
 
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Michael Lee Smyth
a nomadic view
03:04 AM on 01/31/2012
I have always been a big fan of Family Circus. Having four daughters and now 15 grands the situations shown and lessons learned still resonate very strongly. When I was 13 my Grandmother gave me a copy of a book Keane wrote with Erma Bombeck concerning the teenage years. This also started a love affair with the writings of "Aunt Erma".
Great piece.
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Dave Astor
08:36 AM on 01/31/2012
Thanks, Michael, for the praise and your excellent comment! "The Family Circus" has a reputation as sort of an "uncool" comic, but it was actually quite funny. (I don't like it as much under its current creator). And, as you say, it offered great lessons and education for kids. Like you, I also loved Erma Bombeck's writing. I once heard Bil Keane say a funny thing about his book collaboration with Bombeck -- something to the effect that he was the only man besides her husband to have been "between the covers" with her!
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Jerry Zezima
09:47 PM on 01/26/2012
Great piece, Dave. You have drawn (yes, I said it) wonderful portraits of these four legendary cartoonists. And the story about Charles Schulz is priceless.
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Dave Astor
10:57 PM on 01/26/2012
Thank you, Jerry!
claraluz
Per aspera ad astra!
03:28 PM on 01/20/2012
Thanks for that peek into our favorite cartoonists' personalities!! I'm a lifelong fan of Garfield, as I am a cat lover. I have known a couple of Garfields over the years. And I adore Peanuts, never get tired of the Christmas and Halloween features on TV and bought the DVDs. Owned several book collections, with which I entertained my grandchild. They're always good for a smile or two when skies are grey. As for Stan Lee, I was never a big fan of Spiderman, but love the X-Men. Growing up, my favorite cartoon was Flash Gordon -- have you ever met Alex King? - Even as a child I dreamed of space adventures.
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Dave Astor
05:53 PM on 01/20/2012
You're welcome, claraluz! I've never met Alex King, but have met "Garfield" creator Jim Davis, who's a really nice guy. I'm a cat lover, too; my orange tabby is the room with me as I write this reply. Many of the "Peanuts" specials were excellent; more low-key and cerebral (while still entertaining!) than a lot of other cartoon animation. Thanks for your wonderful comment!
claraluz
Per aspera ad astra!
07:42 PM on 01/20/2012
Well, anyone owned by an orange tabby is OK with me. Never met a cat lover I did not like. My gray tabby passed away a couple of weeks ago and it feels like I lost one of my limbs. Did you collect comic books as a young'un? Is that when you became a fan of Stan Lee? Post-WW II I had no access to comic books, but something like a newspaper comics page was published once a week and I saved my pennies in anticipation of meeting Mandrake the Magician, Brenda Starr (I wanted to be journalist when I grew up) , Flash Gordon, the Phantom... Looking back, I'm not sure why I wasn't more interested in Spiderman -- not alien enough, I guess. Spaceships were more interesting to me. At the age of 10, reading about something called "heavy water" was heady stuff!!
12:18 PM on 01/20/2012
Stan Lee is great, the guy's fascinating. I spent an afternoon watching his videos on webofstories.com. Great to see a guy make the most of his talent like that.
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Dave Astor
01:59 PM on 01/20/2012
Thanks, chch1! I'm definitely a Stan Lee fan, too -- as are many other people. I was at the New York Comic Con in 2008 when he was escorted through a convention center hallway to speak or receive an award or maybe both. Many fans ran after him screaming, shouting hello, and yelling his praises. It was like a mini-version of Beatlemania circa 1964!
02:20 PM on 01/27/2012
Stan Lee with classic comic artists Jack Kirby & Steve Ditko gave the early marvel comics their signature look & feel..... they're immortal!
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Dave Astor
02:56 PM on 01/27/2012
I agree, Joel! What a group of talented creators. Thanks for commenting!
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django707
never let the truth get in the way of a good story
01:06 AM on 01/20/2012
Dave, I have a great Stan Lee story. When I was a young writer in Hollywood, Stan and I shared the same agent. Stan was a has-been comic guy who was considered no longer relevant.
I used to pick Stan up once a week in my Buick convertible, let him strap on my grandfather's old leather flying helmet and we'd go off to drown our sorrows in milkshakes (Stan's cocktail of choice).
Stan always had the same complaint. He couldn't understand why nobody in Hollywood saw the value of Spiderman as a big budget feature.
We pitched a bunch of projects together, but it would be almost fifteen years before we'd finally make one..
Nice to see the has-beens kick down the doors.
Good on ya, Stan!
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Dave Astor
08:37 AM on 01/20/2012
That IS an excellent story! Yes, Hollywood often doesn't "get it" -- or gets it very belatedly. Stan Lee is a great guy, and it's nice when people like that eventually receive the credit and fame they deserve. It sounds like you've had a very interesting career, django707!
02:21 PM on 01/27/2012
Always glad to see Stan Lee making cameos in contemporary films, like comic buff Kevin Smith's movies -- chk. him out in Mallrats.
08:35 PM on 01/19/2012
Maybe my all time favorite cameo is Stan Lee in the "Fantastic 4: rise of the Silver Surfer" film. He's the guy being thrown out of the first wedding.
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Dave Astor
10:46 PM on 01/19/2012
I just re-watched that scene on YouTube, and it IS a great cameo. Thanks, Id!
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mudshark12
Now who are you jiving with that cosmik debris?
04:06 PM on 01/19/2012
I make my living as a Draftsman and I used to make drawings by hand before the advent of computer aided drafting. I even tried my hand at cartooning and was amazed at how tedious and difficult it could be. People don't understand the level of effort and talent it takes to be cartoonist.

Needless to say I'm in awe of these guys, especially Stan Lee. I miss Charles Shultz very much.
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Dave Astor
07:45 PM on 01/19/2012
Great point, mudshark12. Cartoonists work very hard, and comic cartoonists have to do 365 comics a year (well, 366 this year!). Of course, it's also fun work -- as I hope being a draftsman is for you. And, yes, Stan Lee is amazing, and Charles Schulz is definitely missed. Thanks for commenting!
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mudshark12
Now who are you jiving with that cosmik debris?
11:58 PM on 01/19/2012
When you Engineer is stressed it's no fun. Or when the design changes a little too often, I can really identify with the old adage "...back to the old drawing board." , even if I'm doing it on computer. Nowadays Engineers aren't as careful as they were back in the "good old days" when I used pencil on Vellum or ink on Mylar because they knew HOW tedious and time consuming it was, so they spent more time thinking things through before the gave you their engineering sketch for you to formalize. Today they know how quickly you can make changes with a computer and how much easier it is to edit a drawing, so they aren't careful at all. I spend too much time doing re-work.

On the bright side because I have so many years experience I get to BE the engineer on the simpler and more standard projects we make.
evecaren
In every cloud there is a silver lining
03:58 PM on 01/19/2012
I enjoyed reading your article, Dave. I like the reference to Jim Davis' comic cat Garfield.
Those Garfield comics were priceless. I once bought a Garfield poster that said I live for weekends.
I was working full time as an elementary teacher when I bought the poster and my weekends were so precious. Now that I'm happily retired, every day is like a holiday, sort of.
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Dave Astor
05:50 PM on 01/19/2012
Glad you enjoyed the article, evecaren! If Jim Davis had been born in 1922, I could have included him more in the post -- but he's a couple decades or so younger. Now that "Peanuts" is in reruns, "Garfield" may be the most widely syndicated comic strip.

I know how hard teachers work (my wife teaches), so weekends off are indeed precious. And I'm glad your retirement is a happy one.

Thanks for commenting!
03:09 PM on 01/19/2012
Love this article!
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Dave Astor
03:14 PM on 01/19/2012
Thank you, Kathie!
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Suzette Standring
03:00 PM on 01/19/2012
I love such anecdotes, thanks for sharing fun insights!
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Dave Astor
05:42 PM on 01/19/2012
You're welcome! Glad you liked the post, Suzette!
02:26 PM on 01/19/2012
Howdy, Mr. Astor!

I neither am an insurance broker nor play one on the Internet, but, actuarially speaking, it appears to me -- based on your reporting -- there may be a strong correlation between cartooning and longevity.

Four years hence, I hope to compare the survival rates after reading your similarly entertaining and informative account of Great Cartoonists Born During the Coolidge Administration.

MugTheYellowKidRuith1
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Dave Astor
07:33 PM on 01/19/2012
Loved your comment, MugRuith1! Most cartoonists enjoy what they do, so that probably helps their longevity.
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pshakkottai
retired engineer
01:30 PM on 01/19/2012
Great piece, David
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Dave Astor
06:59 PM on 01/19/2012
Thank you, pshakkottai!
01:23 PM on 01/19/2012
Great piece, David, I read once that "Sparky" Shultz was still high sticking while playing hockey in his 70s.
01:21 PM on 01/19/2012
Great piece, David -- I heard that "Sparky" Schutz was still high-sticking in games of hockey when he was in his 70s.
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Dave Astor
10:00 PM on 01/19/2012
You're right, Charles Schulz remained athletic late in life. I visited his ice arena in Santa Rosa, Calif., in 2003, and it was a great place. Thanks for commenting, slappy100!