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Posted: October 23, 2007 02:14 PM

Is Greed Good?


"Greed is good." That line from the 1987 film Wall Street shocked the country with its blatant articulation of the 1980s-era Reagan philosophy of greed. Twenty years ago it was still a shock to civilized people to hear such a vulgar statement promoting self-interest over community. From the movie,

The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that: Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right; greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms, greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge - has marked the upward surge of mankind and greed, you mark my words - will not only save Teldar Paper but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.
Greed used to be considered one of the "seven deadly sins." Religions warn against its harmful effects on people and the greater community. Buddhism warns that greed is one of the three poisons. W.Jay Wood wrote in Christianity Today,
Greed is an inappropriate attitude toward things of value, built on the mistaken judgment that my well-being is tied to the sum of my possessions....Greed alienates us from God, from our neighbor, and from our true self.
But 20 years after being shocked by the promotion of a "Greed is good" philosophy much of the public instead buys into the consumer culture of greed and self-interest over public-interest. How has this change come about?


It had help. For example, John Stossel, co-anchor of ABC's 20/20 and host of ABC's John Stossel Specials reports for ABC radio, and ABCNews.com wrote a 2006 opinion piece titled "Greed Is Good", which he posted at the far-right Townhall site (and many other far-right sites), Stossel writes,

If pursuing profit is greed, economist Walter Williams told me, then greed is good, because it drives us to do many good things. "Those areas where people are motivated the most by greed are the areas that we're the most satisfied with: supermarkets, computers, FedEx." By contrast, areas "where people say we're motivated by 'caring'" -- public education, public housing etc. -- "are the areas of disaster in our country.... How much would get done," Williams wondered, "if it all depended on human love and kindness?"
This Stossel piece is derived from a 1999 20/20 episode of the same name, and for years was widely promoted and distributed as a "Greed" teaching kit for classrooms by the Palmer R. Chitester Fund, Inc.


The accompanying teachers guide (PDF document), included such "educational" tidbits as,

The video argues that "the more government tries to help, the worse things get" and uses the circumstances of the Lakota Sioux tribe in South Dakota as an example. Would the Lakota Sioux tribe be more prosperous without government support? What evidence would support or refute this argument?
and,
Some say that decreasing tax rates stimulates the economy by enabling workers to keep more of the money they earn. As a result, they have added ability to put money back into the economy by spending, saving and investing. Others accept high tax burdens believing that the cost of government is justified based on all of its programs and agencies. The video shows an example of the typical two earner household- Bill and Mary Thurston of St. Louis, who both work from January until May to pay their share of annual taxes. Do you think American taxpayers are getting their money's worth? Which taxes do you think are/are not justifiable?
and,
Have students research reports of government waste and report the most egregious cases they can find. Have them detail specific examples of what could happen to a private company that operated in the same manner.
Anti-government propaganda like that is "educational?" Of course not. But there it is, with the credibility and celebrity of both ABC and Stossel backing up the pro-greed, ideological message.


A 2000 Salon.com article titled "Prime-time propagandist," said,

"Stossel in the Classroom" is a series of study aids that includes Stossel's popular ABC News special reports, accompanied by study guides written by two conservative economics instructors at George Mason University. The study guides are emblazoned with a big blue ABC News logo and Stossel's face. ABC News and Stossel had almost nothing to do with the development of "Stossel in the Classroom," but the product is deceptively packaged to look like an ABC product.
Who is the Palmer R. Chitester Fund that distributed these so-called study materials? Media Transparency describes The Palmer R. Chitester Fund as follows:
The Palmer R. Chitester Fund was created by the combative Bob Chitester, with startup money from the Bradley Foundation, to create right wing "popular" media, and lately has taken to selling educational materials based on the error-prone reporting of ABC TV's arch-conservative correspondent John Stossel. It's Idea Channel distributes "intellectual" videotapes on conversations between mostly members of the right wing movement on topics ranging from political science to economics to history.
The Fund is now part of Chitester Creative Associates. It's President Bob Chitester proudly declares,
"Over 80% of U.S. secondary schools are now using at least one of our teaching units."
The Fund receives grants from numerous sources to help it distribute similar teaching materials. (One source, for example, is the John Templeton Foundation. John Templeton, such a radical anti-government conservative that he renounced his US citizenship in 1968. Yet, in 2007, Templeton was named one of Time Magazine's 100 Most Influential People (Time 100) under the category of "Power Givers.)

The Salon article mentions some of the other sources and participants,

One contributor to the "Stossel in the Classroom" series is the John M. Olin Foundation, an organization that popped up regularly in stories detailing Hillary Clinton's "vast right-wing conspiracy" during the investigation and impeachment of President Clinton. For three decades, the Olin Foundation has funded many of the most influential institutions and individuals on the right. Board member and conservative columnist Walter Williams' professorship at George Mason University is also underwritten by Olin.


Chitester Fund is a conservative foundation, sporting John Fund of the Wall Street Journal editorial page, actor Arnold Schwarzenegger and Williams among others on its boards. Text on the Chitester Fund Web site describes the organization's mission: "We are particularly interested in illuminating the prerequisites of a free society -- (with an) emphasis on projects that examine the role of government and explain the interrelationship of economic, personal and political freedom," code for a closeted conservative group. [emphasis added]

Yes, some of this is old news - to some of us. But it is worth rehashing because it helps tell the story of disturbing changes in our culture. In the time since the statement "greed is good" shocked us our society certainly has become more greedy and self-interested. And in that time society has become much more of an on-your-own, in-it-for-yourself society as contrasted with a "we're-all-in-this- together, take-care-of-each-other" society. Certainly the "free market"-oriented one-dollar- one-vote"value" has clearly come to dominate over the humanitarian and democratic value of one-person-one-vote.


The "economics education" effort described in one example here is just the tip of an iceberg -- of a huge effort to push America's public attitudes rightward. Some have estimated that spending on the conservative movement's "message machine" is over $300 million dollars per year.

What can we learn from this? One thing we can learn is that it is possible to move America's public attitudes and change our culture. The so-called conservatives were certainly able to accomplish this. We can even see and learn from how they did it. It wasn't easy and it wasn't inexpensive, but they proved that a systematic effort to educate the public certainly can succeed.

I think it is time that progressive-minded Americans begin to put resources of our own into an effort to educate the public about the benefits to them of values like democracy (one-person-one-vote vs one-dollar-one-vote) and community (taking care of each other rather than everyone on their own and out for themselves). We must do this to restore the country that our Founding Fathers envisioned.

This piece originally appeared at the Speak Out California blog.

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08:16 PM on 10/24/2007
Is humanism good?
11:22 AM on 10/24/2007
I find it telling how posts like this and others always point back to the Reagan years and neglect the explosion of stock market profits under Clinton's watch. And the theme of this article that we're corrupting our classrooms in order to churn out the next generation of Ivan Boesky's is laughable given all of the "progressive" BS that public schools have stuffed into their curricula.

In any event, with the dire outlook for the long term solvency of Social Security and the lack of political will to confront the problem, our youngsters had better pray that corporate profits continue to pump dollars into their future 401k's.
08:55 AM on 10/24/2007
Free your mind. Turn off the damn TV. Be selective, and teach your children to be selective.

Or as my father used to say, "if your friends had a bucket of sh--, would you want one just as big and the same color?"
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02:09 AM on 10/24/2007
Have no fear karma will take care of the greed is good philosophy not as punishment but as opportunities. It will be sad to watch but we in America are like teenagers we think we know it all but we have many lessons to learn as a society. After all America is a very new country compared to many in Europe and they have had to learn many lessons the hard way as we will.

My friend works at a company where it was sold to a greed is good management team. The stunts they pull to max out quarterly profits at the expense of the company’s future are unbelievable.

Greed is good. Look at the results of this philosophy the last 20 years. The middle class is on a decline that is worst than Rome’s.

The future with greed is good: Fascism and third world status. Teaching it in our schools will only hasten the decline of the middle class to a society of haves and have not’s. Maybe our have not’s can cross the border to Canada and work in service jobs for cheap wages.
12:34 AM on 10/24/2007
Odd that we use public education (where the children are) and public housing (where some children live) as example of where loving and caring don't work out.

I'm not sure about the economics of public housing, but I have heard that the landlords are as much a part of the problem as the tenets. In places where the landlords pay a little extra, sometimes the tenants actually help keep the place clean. I've heard.

But everyone knows what a crappy job we're doing with public education, and it's not because "loving and caring" don't pay. It's because interests group get involved and determine what the children learn instead of the teachers. We test the kids like crazy. We pack them into the classrooms like animals and wonder what's the problem.

Funny that Stossel doesn't mention medicine or law or therapy. Plumbing pays well.

But anyway, anytime you base an entire economy on something every religion and philosophy tells you is WRONG, you gotta know, it's bound to fail.
03:39 AM on 10/24/2007
I am a product of the public school system until I went to college. I have degrees from both public and private universities. If you look at my profile, I think you will agree that my public school education served me well.
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ihavenobias
11:16 AM on 10/24/2007
You probably did get a solid education, as did I.

You also probably grew up in a solid middle class neighborhood with solid property values leading to solid property taxes leading to solid schools.

Unfortunately not everyone has that opportunity, and we clearly need to close the property tax gap.

It's also my understanding that civics and discussion of labor movements and such things are barely touched these days, the latter issue slowly disappearing under Reagan.
01:55 PM on 10/24/2007
Then you obviously didn't go to an innercity or a poor rural area school.

I don't know if you were disagreeing with me or what; I think you missed my point.
09:32 PM on 10/23/2007
Greed is cupidity multiplied by stupidity.
09:30 PM on 10/23/2007
There is no force more potent in the modern world than stupidity fueled by greed.

Ed Abbey
07:32 PM on 10/23/2007
The notion that greed is good is not new. Over a century ago, in the Senate report justifying the forced division of the Cherokee lands into individual plots (which could more easily be taken from them by some swindle or other) it was stated that in order to civilize the Indians it was necessary for them to learn greed. And forcing them to have significant holdings of private property they would necessarily learn greed and become civilized. (It should be noted that those "uncivilized" Cherokee had a higher literacy rate than the whites of any of the surrounding states.) But greed is the fundamenntal "virtue" of our system. So it must be good.
03:44 AM on 10/24/2007
They learned greed well, owning slaves and plantations. Besides, the Cherokee were so intermarried by 1820 that many are recorded on the later rolls as partially white and most have white names.

Even Abe Lincoln's real family and its descendants from Carolina intermarried with the Cherokee and Choctaw in the mid and late 1800s.

I know because they are my ancestors. Might be yours, too.
07:14 PM on 10/23/2007
Dave, since greed is a type of desire it lacks a simple test on whether or not it is good. Greed does not denote an action taken, but a desire that is selfish and excessive.

When selfish and excessive desires are acted upon then we can judge whether a greedy person is good. We cannot however say whether or not greed is good, you see the difference?

You are right to caution us on teaching aids that attempt to doctrinate school kids. Government is a reflection of the society it comes from. A good society deserves and will select a good government. A society that is selfish will choose a system that benefits greedy actions.

I may not know what will save the left or keep the right at bay. I do know for certain though that until we remove the money and influence of corporations from our electoral process this country is in trouble.
06:40 PM on 10/23/2007
Nothing epitomizes greed more than the oil industry, but the oil industry once actively sought government oversight. One good way to illustrate this is to use the example of Signal Hill, which you've probably seen if you've ever been to Long Beach (but any of the early discoveries would work the same way).

Any land owner with mineral rights is allowed to drill for oil. The first hole on Signal Hill blew out when the formation was penetrated, with a gusher of over 100 feet high. (Drilling an oil well is similar to sticking a pin in a baloon.) Needless to say it takes high ground pressure to lift oil without the need for additional pumping. The problem is, though, that once field drive pressure is dissipated (whether through proper production methods or just blown into the sky) all of the easy money is gone from that field.

Because of the pressure underground, oil migrates to the production point. Picture a cone underground. And now picture a property line on the surface that, extended down, would cut the cone in half. Meaning that half of the oil produced from a hole on the property line would come from under the neighbors property. Meaning, of course, that you want to line your boundary with holes as close together as you can get them and as fast as you can drill them, as does your neighbor. Given that one hole at full pressure might produce under as much as 640 surface acres, there might well be a vast number of landowners all trying to be the first one to get all of the oil. Wasteful, very wasteful. And also very costly both because every well adds additonal drilling expense, and penetrating the formation needlessly causes a drop in eventual total production.

So oil went to government and said "Organize this mess", and government did what often only it can do, and the problem was solved. Mandatory production plans are now imposed on every new field and the citizens, the earth, and the oil companies are all better off for it.
06:20 PM on 10/23/2007
There are two very troubling definitions, or usage of words, in this post. First is the quote from the movie Wall Street. I don't believe you can have greed for love, greed for knowledge, etc. A person can hunger for, or desire, these things, which are ideas rather than possessions. Greed involves the selfish acquisition of material things. Nowhere can I find a definition suggesting one can physically possess an idea.
What about greedy for power? Power is ambigious; the power to command armies and minions is a physical thing, in a sense, as it's dependent on, well, soldiers, weapons, police, etc. But the power to influence people requires something greater than avarice.
A later quote states "If pursuing profit is greed,..." False. Pursuing profit is the purpose of a business; greed is the desire to acquire wealth for oneself alone. Therefore a lone businessman may greedily pursue profit, but if he isn't delivering value to a customer the business will be short-lived.
06:20 PM on 10/23/2007
Is greed good? No. Greed is GOD.
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05:39 PM on 10/23/2007
Milton Freedman said "Money is the common language of value." He was right.

I submit that, however, it is not the only language of value.

The world had better get a grip and look at the big picture. Golden eggs and all that.
05:37 PM on 10/23/2007
"We must do this to restore the country that our Founding Fathers envisioned."

I think the Founding Fathers envisioned a country ruled by rich white men, where women were chattel, the poor could not vote, blacks were enslaved, young men were indentured, Indians were to be killed, land was to be stolen, and you could have sex with your comely female slaves.

Yeah, that's what they envisioned.

I think I'll pass.
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ihavenobias
06:39 PM on 10/23/2007
Actually, that's a common misconception (based on the thesis of Charles Beard) regarding the founding fathers which was beautifully debunked by Thom Hartmann.

The founders set up a framework of law that would often *contradict* their own interests.

blog.aflcio.org/2007/07/04/greedy-white-founders/
09:28 PM on 10/23/2007
I'm not convinced.
04:55 PM on 10/23/2007
FDR succinctly summed up greed 70 years ago:

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics."

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07:58 PM on 10/23/2007
Good for FDR.
Of course, this was several generations after his family made their fortune in what was nothing short of piracy during the high days of the "China trade."
Around the same time the Windsors ( hello, Harry & William ) were getting fat by importing opium from India and shooting their way into China, to addict half the population of that country.
Someone, I forgot who, once spoke the great truth that "Behind every great fortune, is a great crime."