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Dave Johnson

Posted: August 28, 2007 12:32 PM

Of Course I Support Hillary!


A recent post I wrote with James Boyce, defending Hillary from a racist Republican attack, has evoked e-mail and comment "accusations" that I am a "Hillary supporter."

OF COURSE I AM A HILLARY SUPPORTER -- I'M A DEMOCRAT!!

I also support Barack Obama, Chris Dodd and John Edwards! Duh!

I think I prefer Edwards and Dodd right now, because their polices and thinking and approach lines up more with my own. Obama sure is winning me over, too. I am more progressive-oriented than Hillary.

But let me suggest something to you -- If Hillary Clinton becomes president, she will be the most progressive president America has ever had.

So relax. We have a great group of candidates this time.

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02:50 PM on 08/29/2007
The bad news is that the "anybody but Hillary, even if that means electing another Republican" sentiment expressed in so many of these comments seems to be a fairly mainstream view on this and similar sites. Who knows how accurate a picture that is of the whole population of HuffPo readers, but it is the impression one gets from a typical sampling of comments.

The good news is that these views are outliers in the real world of progressive voters (though I certainly wish those voters preferred Obama, Edwards, Richardson or Dodd).

The bad news is that the overrepresentation of those outlying views in the blogosphere does the same disservice to progressives' image in the general population that call-in listeners of talk radio do to the public's perception of conservatives.
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WorkingClass
09:09 PM on 08/28/2007
I know the term progressive has very little meaning. But it has no meaning at all if it applies to Hillary. That would make her a progressive corporatist. It just wont fly Dave. Take a few days off. Clear your head. And then write a piece on Richardson. See if you agree with me that Richardson is the Dems and the country's best bet.
06:54 PM on 08/28/2007
Yes progressive as in a continuation of occupying the Arabian Peninsula for “Our Strategic Interests”. Progress will be made on continuing to bloat the Federal Bureaucracy that BushCo NeoCons so cherish. Having voted for the Patriot act twice, progress will be made on undermining our Civil Liberties and creating even more of a dependence on the government.

Above all solid progress will be made on the desecration of our Constitution and the attempts to pervert the Oath of Office to the role of pageantry rather than a contract between We The People and a PUBLIC SERVENT.

So yes you are right Dave Johnson she will be a very progressive ruler.
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JimR
05:42 PM on 08/28/2007
I would vote for Edwards, or Obama, or Kucinich, or any of the other Democratic candidates. But I would not vote for Hillary.

Progressive? She appears to be the status quo candidate, if you ask me.
05:28 PM on 08/28/2007
Those posters who feel the Republican slime machine is the sole source of Hillary's problems are living in the same bubble as our current President. Hillary supported (and continues to support) the Iraq war. Hillary co-sponsored the most flagrantly stupid and pandering legislation of the past 5 years (anti-flag burning amendment). Hillary's inability to see herself as others see her is why she will be unable to unite our nation or lead us to a better future. Virtually all Republicans hate her, and many Democrats (including this voter) will never be able to vote for her, even if she becomes the Democratic candidate. This is the problem, and it is not created by any vast right wing conspiracy---it is caused by Hillary's own history.
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Pyrum
08:31 PM on 08/28/2007
I wouldn't underestimate Hillary's ability to win the general election. You say you'll never vote for her now, but if not her, who? Guiliani? Besides, Diebold is going to be on the democrats side this time.
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timm0
It's impossible to have too many malasadas.
04:43 PM on 08/29/2007
Don't you think it'd be a lot easier to answer that question next year? How does anyone know who the R candidate will be? Who knows who the Dem nominee will be? And more importantly, if HRC is the Dem nominee, who will the main independent candidate(s) be?

If HRC is the Dem nominee and some fool R is up on their side, I'd predict a serious 3rd candidate (a la Perot, only not tanking toward the end) could win in the general. There are a lot of R's who are fed up with R candidates - but many of them will not vote for HRC. A General Clark or someone of that ilk could get tons of R votes, ending up like a lieberman-type finish.
05:06 PM on 08/28/2007
I don't think the Dems stand a chance in the general election if Hillary wins the nomination. Too may independents and dems that I've talked to won't vote for her under any circumstances, and no repub would touch her with a ten foot pole.

And as a woman, I can't abide her "stand-by-my-man-since-he-can-help-me-politically" aura. Her husband humiliated her in front of the whole world and she barely lets a peep out? That doesn't show me a tough woman ready to take on the Presidency, it show me a desperate opportunist who wants to "prove" she's as good as Bill was. No more dynasties, thank you.
03:19 PM on 08/28/2007
After thinking long and hard about it, I've decided to vote for a Republican for President in 08. The Democrats just cannot be trusted having control of Congress and the Presidency. I'm a Democrat too.
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Dave Johnson
04:30 PM on 08/28/2007
We should all learn to see through this "I used to be a Democrat" propaganda tactic. I have written about over at Seeing the Forest.
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Pyrum
08:27 PM on 08/28/2007
I'm voting for Ron Paul, even if I have to write him in.
03:17 PM on 08/28/2007
Reluctant Hillary supporter
Hopeful Obama supporter
Willing Edwards supporter
(gay) NOT supporter of Richards
longshot Kucinch supporter.
02:13 PM on 08/28/2007
Hillary may not have the bedside manor through the mass media but in a small group in person she is the second coming of Bill. I have seen her twice in person on Long Island and she is the real deal.

She is smart, witty, knowlegable of the subjects, etc.

We as a country have a plate overflowing with things that need doing. We have to build bridges with other countries taken down by Bush, we need to bring our troops home safely, we need to reverse this drainage on our economy and the jobs that go with it, our infrastructure needs addressing, health care, so many things need to be done.

Obama is an anomalie he is a nice guy, he is sharp he has a great way about him, but he is green, he has a fantastic future but he is not yet ready for prime time.

We need someone who can hit the ground running and Hillary is ready for that.

Lou
03:28 PM on 08/28/2007
Hillary should not be running. The only possible outcome, whether she wins or loses, is to further divide the nation.

We need to unite this country, and Obama is the only one running who has a real chance of doing that. He's the only one getting significant crossover numbers.

Obama has been driving the debate on foreign policy by saying things that are true. Hillary simply takes the opposite positions--even though they are Bush/Cheney positions (don't talk to enemies, maybe use nukes to take out a campground, don't attack Bin Laden, keep Bush's Cuba restrictions intact). That's divisive--her usual instincts.

"Stong Heart" posted a quotation from Goethe on the Obama site this morning:

"Divide and rule, the politician cries; unite and lead, is watchword of the wise."
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Dave Johnson
04:29 PM on 08/28/2007
Listen, the only reason Hilary is called "divisive" is because of the right';s screech machine and the noise it makes. Do you think they'll be LESS abusive of Obama, a black progressive?

I love Obama, by the way, and his politics line up with mine more than Hillary's. I'm just saying, it isn't Hillary that is divisive, it's the right's machine, which was created with the PURPOSE of dividing us.
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Pyrum
08:35 PM on 08/28/2007
I agree Hillary is a divider. Lies divide and truth unites.
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ms.understood
pro-choice | liberal | womanist
07:51 PM on 08/28/2007
I have to agree with you on this Loubrex. She is the most qualified of all the candidates. As far as intelligence, all the candidates that are running happen to possess more intellect than the powers that be now, and realistically, that's not hard to do. The ones that shouldn't be running are Romney, Edwards, Gulliani, and McCain.
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lisakaz
01:10 PM on 08/28/2007
Interesting take. I don't trust triangulating Hillary, though, especially. But even as Bush lite she'd be more competent than the hack in the WH now, that's for sure.
01:10 PM on 08/28/2007
This is scary. Haven't we seen enough of what blind allegance to a party can do?
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Pyrum
01:04 PM on 08/28/2007
The only reason you support Hillary is because she claims to be a democrat? You think that makes her progressive? She's a neoconservative, and a Hillary presidency will be more of the same crap we had with Bush!
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
01:02 PM on 08/28/2007
"If Hillary Clinton becomes President, she will be the most progressive president America has ever had."

Come on now. Do we have to resort to revisionist history on Senator Clinton's behalf to make her acceptable? There are many examples to the contrary. I'll take just one.

In the **1940's**, FDR wanted to implement a true public health-care system in the United States. He got Social Security, and Medicare, about two thirds of what he wanted. THAT'S progressive.

When it was the Clintons' turn to tackle health care, Paul Wellstone plus ninety other members of Congress said, "let us finally implement FDR's dream, and give Americans a right enjoyed by every other developed country on Earth." And what did Hillary propose? A system which would have enshrined large health insurance companies as public utilities, guaranteeing that a for-profit middleman would forever be a part of the system. That's NOT progressive.
01:09 PM on 08/28/2007
And her proposal was shot down by a propaganda campaign managed by big insurance. I'm not sure why you think that they would have given up the fight is she had decided to leave them out of the loop, instead of trying to pass something with them included.
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
01:48 PM on 08/28/2007
I'm not proposing that big insurance companies would have given up the fight, if the decision had been made to fight for single-payer health care.

I'm suggesting that, as long as you're going to fight, you fight for something that you actually want. And that the progressive goal, one that was advanced by an earlier President, was single-payer health care.
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timm0
It's impossible to have too many malasadas.
01:51 PM on 08/28/2007
The propaganda assertion is a little vague, but there surely was an attack orchestrated in back rooms - much like the back rooms used by HRC to create the health care plan. The three branches of Federal govt. have the power to shoot things down. So to be more accurate, members of Congress were intimidated into taking no action by negative polls.

Big biz has a funny way of predictably playing the game as most play at home with "Deal or No Deal." Why take $10,000 when there's millions left on the board? Go for it all!

Besides, the bigger initiative was behind the scenes with wheeler-dealers looking for ways to prevent the Bubba admin from having any accomplishments. Regardless, as we can see today, the health care companies are flourishing very nicely, so it would appear to have worked well for them.
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02:14 PM on 08/28/2007
LBJ signed Medicare law in 1965. I was young at the time but still remember the better off's ranting about socialism. Once they got the benefits they piped down some. Nothing ameliorates a right wingers irritation like "free" money when it flows their way.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/lbjsm.html
12:58 PM on 08/28/2007
I agree, Dave. I'm an "ObamaBoy", but, if Clinton gets the nom...how did Stephen Stills put it?..."If you can't be with the one you love, honey, love the one you're with!"...

..."Don't sit cryin' for good times you had
There's a girl right next to you
and she's waiting for something to do

If you can't be, with the one you love, love the one you're with"...do doot do doot do doot da-doot, do doot do doot do doot da-doot, do doot do doot do doot da-doot, do-do-da-doot, do doot!"
12:46 PM on 08/28/2007
"If Hillary Clinton becomes President, she will be the most progressive president America has ever had."

In the last eight years, anyway. Anyone's better than what we've had these last eight years.