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Posted: June 24, 2010 06:53 PM

Misunderstanding the Deficit Could Land Us in a Depression

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The deficit problem can be summed up very simply: The public thinks Obama's policies created a huge deficit. Never mind that it was Bush's deficit -- the public doesn't know that. This misunderstanding is leading Washington to take steps that will throw the economy into depression.

According to Greenberg Quinlan Rosner | NPR Congressional Battleground Poll:

By 57 to 37 percent, voters in these 60 Democratic seats believe that President Obama's economic policies have produced record deficits while failing to slow job losses -- and not averted a crisis or laid a foundation for future growth.

The public believes the record deficits were caused by Obama's policies because:

1) Conservatives have pursued a strategic propaganda campaign to make the public believe this. They have used charts that show Bush's 2009 budget as Obama's, headlines that say this, repeatedly said it over the radio and conservative TV networks, etc.

2) The administration and supporters haven't responded to this campaign in any way, didn't seem to understand there even was a campaign to blame Obama for Bush's deficits, and now appear to believe it themselves.

Isn't this the story of the last few decades? Conservatives wage a strategic propaganda campaign to convince the public of XXX. Democrats don't respond, don't even understand there is a propaganda campaign being waged, and in time begin to support the conservative narrative.

But this time it is absolutely dead serious. The correct understanding of the cause of this deficit is absolutely crucial because doing the wrong thing now will throw the economy into depression.

The economy is on a precipice. Unemployment remains close to 10 percent with no help in sight and help for the unemployed running out. Economists are trying to tell Washington that more stimulus is needed, that it is crucial to directly create jobs, that the unemployed must receive checks and health care, and that cutting back now is exactly the wrong thing to do. Paul Krugman and others are becoming more and more alarmed about this. But with the public believing that the government is about to go broke, the political will cannot form for doing the right thing.

But there are perceptions and then there are facts. It is just a fact that the huge $1.4 trillion deficit was Bush's 2009 budget, and that "Obama spending" contributed very little to that deficit. It is just a fact that the cause of current economic trouble is that the "stimulus bill" was inadequate, and its focus on tax cuts was a wasted effort. It is just a fact that letting unemployment benefits expire and refusing to pass job-creation programs will force the economy to turn back down. This is a mistake in policy caused by an intentional engineering of false perceptions.

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The deficit problem can be summed up very simply: The public thinks Obama's policies created a huge deficit. Never mind that it was Bush's deficit -- the public doesn't know that. This misunderstandi...
The deficit problem can be summed up very simply: The public thinks Obama's policies created a huge deficit. Never mind that it was Bush's deficit -- the public doesn't know that. This misunderstandi...
 
 
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01:10 PM on 07/05/2010
It has been common knowledge for decades that our economy was on a path of unsustainable growth. Just how unsustainable has only come to light in recent years with the unmasking of "bubble economics." How can we not expect there to be a long overdue economic reset due to the excesses of the past 30 years? It is true that the public doesn't understand the problem, but the problem goes much deeper than this article suggests.

All presidents from Reagan forward have pursued an economic policy that has been geared to prevent the inevitable collapse from happening on that president's watch. Reagan is the president who began the process of liquidating the industrial base, creating liquidity that was then poured into a deregulated financial industry. The only difference now, with Obama's presidency, is that the dismantling of the real basis of the economy is complete, therefore the only way to create liquidity demanded by the bloated financial sector is through the government printing press.

Foregoing the blame game, further deficit spending will only ramp up and further the bubble economy we've been enduring at the expense of the real economy. So, are we going to keep adding to the house of cards we've built? Whether we do so or not there will be a collapse, but the collapse will be all that more disastrous the longer we pursue our present course.
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lodger16x
06:18 AM on 06/26/2010
Well, the public got what it voted for under W, and maybe they need another dose!
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BBackSoon
Hello, I must be going.
11:48 AM on 06/25/2010
While I don't think we can totally blame Fix Gnus, or Right Wing talk radio, it truly frustrates me that in the last 15+ years the Dems have not figured out how to fight this. It almost makes me think that both sides are just playing their part in this Political Theater we are all watching. It is all just a show to keep us 'Little People' from storming the Bastille.
12:07 PM on 06/25/2010
I agree. I've made the same observation. I think the Democrats have learned to tap into the corporate money pipeline that the Republicans have been exploiting for years. I think it's actually a bit of an embarrassment for them when they end up with a congressional majority and they have no plausible excuse for inaction on a progressive agenda.
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lodger16x
06:29 AM on 06/26/2010
Little people don't need permission to storm the Bastille. History shows they just do it when least expected.
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BBackSoon
Hello, I must be going.
09:57 AM on 06/28/2010
True, but as bad as things have been for the last 8 or 10 years we have not crossed the tipping point. Yet.
10:47 AM on 06/25/2010
There was a time when man would fight the battle and come home and ravage his wife i.e. the Baby Boomer generation. That connection is at the heart of his reptiliean brain : territory, violence, and sex. This has caused probelm to no end, but that is the hand we're dealt. The hand we were played me meaning 55 and younger was your parents came first. Mother is always right. Mother knows best. Yadadada. No one ever talked about DEATH. No one ever talked about DYING. They practiced a religion that all it talked about was everlasting life after death, but they never talked about death, getting old etc. Now we have this crushing weight on all western countries, the burden of not the greatest, but the most successful and wealthiest generation based mostly on good timing post WW2 America. Now they are dropping like flies and frankly good riddance. Too many old people have lived on the dole for too long and we can;t afford it anymore.
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blondebeblonde
Blondes also prefer gentlemen
11:39 AM on 06/25/2010
Lord-a-mercy! "...dropping like flies and frankly good riddance..." Sheeesssshhhh

But I'll give you this: We will never, ever have the retirement plans and ongoing health benefits that generation had. They're living off pensions and social security and Medicare for many more years than originally anticipated and it is indeed getting harder to pay for.
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Nickolette Sanello
11:46 AM on 06/25/2010
I respect my elders except when it comes to their politics! I refer to the Baby Boomers as the Kick the Can generation!!! They have been so concerned with their selfish me first attitude that they have refused to sacrifice anything for future generations!!! All the major problems we face except the 2 wars which were started by a baby boomer I might add should've at least started to be dealt with in the 70's!!! They have kicked the can down the road so far that it is almost too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kassandra
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10:18 AM on 06/25/2010
Well, Obama refuses to point to that so he has left himself wide open to this kind of criticism. I just heard he even congratulated congress on the horrible "Wall Street Reform". Just as he loved the giveaway to private insurance in the "health care bill".
Obama doesn't seem to mind as long as SOMETHING passes; he considers it a "win".
The man has the bully pulpit and he won't use it, so everybody has to make excuses for him.
09:49 AM on 06/25/2010
Bush created a huge deficit. Obama has tripled it in just over a year.
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Dave Johnson
10:03 AM on 06/25/2010
Yes, that is what the right is saying. You message demonstrates the effectiveness of lies, repeated often.

Bush left us with a $1.4 trillion deficit, triple the previous year. Obama is reducing it.
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Kassandra
Idiot savant artistic genius
10:23 AM on 06/25/2010
Stop! you're both wrong!
10:51 AM on 06/25/2010
Sadly, the lies are effective. Some folks swallow them whole while others shrug and say: "Who can you trust? They're all liars." Not so. There is indeed truth out there. It's up to each of us to make a little effort to sort through the lies. It's not that hard.
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11:26 AM on 06/25/2010
Not even close. Nice thing about the internet, it is still available to all.
09:26 AM on 06/25/2010
If you are interested in a graphic depicting the origin of our deficit, click the link below.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036
11:36 AM on 06/25/2010
Helpful -- thanks!
11:48 AM on 06/25/2010
No Repub is gonna read that...too many big words.
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JoeTroll
Prove your own claims. I'm not your intern.
08:55 AM on 06/25/2010
When are people going to stop blaming Bush for the economy? When are people going to stop blaming Dillinger for all those bank robberies? When are people going to stop blaming Shoeless Joe Jackson for his role in the Black Sox Scandal? When are people going to stop blaming Stagger Lee for killing Billy DeLion? When are people going to stop blaming Judas for betraying Jesus? And when, oh when, will people FINALLY stop blaming Eve for eating that #$@*& apple?

Guess what, when a problem starts on your watch and someone else is stuck trying to fix it, you don't get to pass the blame for its origin along with the responsibility for its solution.
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Kassandra
Idiot savant artistic genius
12:36 PM on 06/25/2010
When are you going to stop blaming Clinton? That's all you did during the bush reign; everything was Clinton's fault;t, even 911.
FYI: the "problem started on Bush's watch... all of them. try to pay attention to someone other than Glen Beck.
Other than that I agree, blame helps no one, it's cowardly
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JoeTroll
Prove your own claims. I'm not your intern.
02:24 PM on 06/25/2010
Did you even read past my first sentence? I'm thinking you didn't.
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GrammieJ
Education is the key to our future
08:43 AM on 06/25/2010
Dave, is that not exactly what Bush did to us?
What about costs of wars that was not included anywhere?
I feel for our President, he totally inherited BUSH fouls. God bless President Obama.
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ShirleeK
07:05 AM on 06/25/2010
The debate on the deficit is fixated on increasing taxes or cutting spending. The classical progressive solution of growing revenue is not being discussed. When will the campaign begin?

The stimulus is being severely undercut as states and local governments work to align their spending with reduced revenues.

The stalemate will not be broken until people start making money again.
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writersbloc
06:39 AM on 06/25/2010
Dems are being forced into emphasizing that the deficit is a Bush legacy because the Repubs keep making it seem like it didn't exist until Obama came into office. If the Repubs could just zip it and do something constructive, something useful, then maybe we'd all be able to get somewhere better.
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wesleypresley
Marxist since 1968
05:04 AM on 06/25/2010
The American working class is stupid. They deserve what they get from the Republicans and wimpy Democrats. The best thing that could happen to the world is if the USA imploded and Americans were to fight a new civil war and slaughter each other. Americans killing Americans would be a beautiful spring day for humanity, the Animal Kingdom and Mother Earth.
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JoeTroll
Prove your own claims. I'm not your intern.
08:58 AM on 06/25/2010
LOL. You don't really think we'd destroy ourselves without taking the rest of you with us, do you?
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04:56 AM on 06/25/2010
In the 28 years before the Obama Administration, we had 20 years of Republican Presidents. How did that work out for us? What are the facts?

At the beginning of the aforementioned 28 year period, when Reagan was elected, the U.S. federal deficit stood at LESS than $1 trillion. At the end of that 28 year period, at the swearing in of Obama, the U.S. federal deficit stood at about $11 trillion dollars. America went from being the world's largest creditor nation, to being the world's largest debtor nation, almost exclusively during the three Republican administrations of Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II. The only times during the 28 years before Obama that we did not add to the federal deficit was when three balanced budgets were proposed to Congress during the administration of Bill Clinton, a Democrat.

I like to think of myself as a conservative person, fiscally speaking, and a liberal, in my personal affairs, which is why, in my opinion, the only choice I have is to vote for Democrats.
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citizen of the universe
"Lois, Mom, Mama, Mommie, Ma"
01:22 AM on 06/25/2010
It's ironic that people scream about the deficit when people need unemployment or assistance because they lost their jobs through no fault of their own, but borrowed money for War no problem.
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ShirleeK
07:09 AM on 06/25/2010
You're spot on. Wonder what we could do if we put our young people to work on our problems at home.
01:18 AM on 06/25/2010
We need to raise taxes and STOP ALL LOOPHOLES - the wealthy need to pony up and share their obscene earning with the less fortunate, keep states running, teachers in their jobs, police and fireman at the ready ....

Whe other EU countries are raising taxes, VAT etc. the Republicans talk about cutting them - how can that possibly balance anything ? Who balances their checkbooks? Money has to go in before you write a check !

America needs a couple of years of austerity to lower GWB's debt and unfortunately the Dems will have to to the dirty work.
Taxes have to be collected efficiently to run state programs.

Why can't they do the math.
03:03 PM on 06/25/2010
The richest one percent already pay 40% of the load. Are you so biased that you cannot see how the confiscatory tax approach that you advocate will shrink the economy as businesses cannot hire and have to pay more and more in taxes? Europe in imploding and they are the model economy you point to? Maybe you should have studied economics instead of womens studies
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procrustes13
03:25 PM on 06/25/2010
Bribery does not cause businesses to hire, demand for the businesses' products and services does. If capital does go on strike, perhaps you should extend the logic you use to labour unions accused of treason and hatred of country and sabotage, and not only accuse the capitalists of sabotage, but to punish them as traitors.
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citizen of the universe
"Lois, Mom, Mama, Mommie, Ma"
09:34 PM on 06/25/2010
Okay, you said that the rich and businesses have paid there share of taxes, because the theory of "trickle down" is suppose to stave off recession/depression, right? If that's true, why are we in a recession and/or businesses are laying off, relocating to different countries or closing, if the tax burden is being met?
02:47 PM on 06/26/2010
If you raise taxes on the the wealthy and make their take home pay be that of minimum wage so it evens out with the poor, then whats the point in working to be rich? Also a 23% sales tax and no income tax would actually be the most fair to everyone
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11:04 PM on 07/02/2010
"If you raise taxes on the the wealthy and make their take home pay be that of minimum wage so it evens out with the poor, then whats the point in working to be rich?"
Great question. I've never seen a single person suggest that the wealthy be taxed to the point that their take home pay equals minimum wage, so I'm a bit confused as to the relevancy of the question.